Need the truth.What's right and what's wrong? (Muslims Only)

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verse 38 of chapter 2. البقرة in the Holy Quran

قُلنَا اهبِطوا مِنها جَميعًا ۖ فَإِمّا يَأتِيَنَّكُم مِنّى هُدًى فَمَن تَبِعَ هُداىَ فَلا خَوفٌ عَلَيهِم وَلا هُم يَحزَنونَ


We said: \"Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

What if they lived in a jungle or a desert and they never heard the message?
There are at least two examples:

وَكَذٰلِكَ نُرى إِبرٰهيمَ مَلَكوتَ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالأَرضِ وَلِيَكونَ مِنَ الموقِنينَ

So also did We show Abraham the power and the laws of the heavens and the earth, that he might (with understanding) have certitude.

فَلَمّا جَنَّ عَلَيهِ الَّيلُ رَءا كَوكَبًا ۖ قالَ هٰذا رَبّى ۖ فَلَمّا أَفَلَ قالَ لا أُحِبُّ الءافِلينَ

When the night covered him over, He saw a star: He said: \"This is my Lord.\" But when it set, He said: \"I love not those that set.\"

فَلَمّا رَءَا القَمَرَ بازِغًا قالَ هٰذا رَبّى ۖ فَلَمّا أَفَلَ قالَ لَئِن لَم يَهدِنى رَبّى لَأَكونَنَّ مِنَ القَومِ الضّالّينَ

When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: \"This is my Lord.\" But when the moon set, He said: \"unless my Lord guide me, I shall surely be among those who go astray.\"

فَلَمّا رَءَا الشَّمسَ بازِغَةً قالَ هٰذا رَبّى هٰذا أَكبَرُ ۖ فَلَمّا أَفَلَت قالَ يٰقَومِ إِنّى بَريءٌ مِمّا تُشرِكونَ

When he saw the sun rising in splendour, he said: \"This is my Lord; this is the greatest (of all).\" But when the sun set, he said: \"O my people! I am indeed free from your (guilt) of giving partners to Allah.

إِنّى وَجَّهتُ وَجهِىَ لِلَّذى فَطَرَ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالأَرضَ حَنيفًا ۖ وَما أَنا۠ مِنَ المُشرِكينَ

\"For me, I have set my face, firmly and truly, towards Him Who created the heavens and the earth, and never shall I give partners to Allah.\"

Quran 6:75-79

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He guides whom He pleases, and He guides those within whom He finds good, where the stain of evil hasn't overwhelmed the good, would even the man in the jungle not be expected to observe fairness and justice from his natural disposition? Let alone the man in the city who receives the book in his hands:


verse 18 of chapter 39. الزمر in the Holy Quran

الَّذينَ يَستَمِعونَ القَولَ فَيَتَّبِعونَ أَحسَنَهُ ۚ أُولٰئِكَ الَّذينَ هَدىٰهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولٰئِكَ هُم أُولُوا الأَلبٰبِ

Those who listen to the Word, and follow the best in it: those are the ones whom Allah has guided, and those are the ones endued with understanding.

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verse 23 of chapter 8. الأنفال in the Holy Quran

وَلَو عَلِمَ اللَّهُ فيهِم خَيرًا لَأَسمَعَهُم ۖ وَلَو أَسمَعَهُم لَتَوَلَّوا وَهُم مُعرِضونَ

If Allah had found in them any good. He would indeed have made them listen: (As it is), if He had made them listen, they would but have turned back and declined (Faith).
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And finally, I assume you'll go back to worrying about the man in the jungle who didn't see or hear, or the son of bush, the best answer to give is the answer of Moses to pharaoh when he asked of the condition of the previous generations, God Knows best.

But there is a small glimmer of hope for you, maybe see if you fall into any of the categories in the checklist:

The Pen is Lifted From Three
The Messenger of Allah (صلي الله عليه وسلم) said: “The Pen is lifted from three (i.e., their deeds are not recorded):

a child until he reaches puberty;
an insane man until he comes to his senses;
one who is asleep until he wakes up.”
[Recorded in Abu Dawud #4403, and Ibn Majah #2041]
 
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Sorry, I’ve been out of town for a few days and didn’t bring my laptop.

Look, Gintoki, there’s a lot to catch up with but it all boils down to this:

Like i said i have the problems with the complex which is not making me believe the basics. Until i don't get rid of the doubts then it's difficult for me to believe in the basics.But i have no problems with the basics though.

The fact of the matter is, you read eighty-three pages of The Qur’an in a row and it got you all the way from “atheist” to “agnostic”. Doesn’t that tell you something, either about the book or about your own heart? Probably both?

But it’s okay because you still have every chance to turn back. Not because of “the fate of” anybody in the hereafter (certainly not all non-Muslims!—and I’m getting tired of going over that with you, especially after we've had a whole recent thread on it)—but because it’s the right thing to do. I’m not the first person to observe this but God is of such a nature that even if by some impossible measure all of His power could be taken away we would still owe him just as much loyalty as we do now just on general principles. I mean, we’re here in the first place because of Him, for one thing.

I wonder if your notion that the creation of the world will keep repeating is based on that hadith which says, “After that Allah will create a new creation,” or something like that. I think it’s just referring to the resurrection of a new kind of body from dust and bones.

Does it matter where evil suggestions come from? Does one apply this kind of ad hominem-based thinking to human agencies? If someone does the wrong thing, will you care if the person who told them that it’s a good idea is Steve from down the street or Jackie from one town over or even the talking dog who purportedly gave the go-ahead to David Berkowitz? Truth is truth and falsity falsity and good good and evil evil regardless of where it happens to come from. And yes, these things have a way of coming from different places. The Qur’an speaks of everyone having a demon who goes to work on them—but it never says that no evil suggestions ever come from anywhere else. Indeed, it instructs us in its closing verses to pray for protection from evil suggestions “from amongst both djinn and humans”.
 
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Hello Mr Gintoki

We all looking the truth. We are muslims and we too are looking the truth. Rest of our lives. We may find it and we may lost it. But we continue searching the knowledge.

Welcome to club.

:statisfie
 
Why fast? You need time to think all this mess called religion and only you know how long it takes - I mean your head knows it.

Give you a time.

:statisfie

It may needs 10 years. Or 50.
Well,fast because I think i don't have much time to live because of my anxiety.
 
the complex will only make sense after the basics have been accepted

and we are not supposed to know everything as we know our knowledge and understanding is limited. if we understand something it will be because ALlah wished some good for us.

a vety popular hadith is "when Allah wishes good for someone he grants them understanding of the religion". this comes ith deep contemplation and remembrance of Allah.

i hinestly strongly feel that anyone who accepts Allah and his Messenger should become a muslim and ask Allah for the answers in the correct submissive manner. thats how a man can remove all doubt.

Aren't the basics like Tauheed and articles of faith?

The doubts:
The hell concept
Eternal suffering which a person will go crazy
The Adam and Eve story
Existence of Angels and Devils

^I don't think those things comes in the basics.
 
I'll pray for u InshaAllah

N hey everythings gng to b ok I just know ur gng to find what ur looking for InshaAllah.
Thank you. :statisfie

That was a nice video. I also used to be like 'God please give me a sign anything'.
 
Touching again the previous topic of eternal punishment, God has taught us how to balance everything but instead of doing what God has taught, most people now insist that experimenting with their own man-made ideas are best, and teaching this to others. I believe they are responsible directly or indirectly, for bringing people away from the very knowledge that can save people in this world and the next. The amount of sin they bear would be beyond comprehension.

Knowledge is good but it is not faith, just like some of the brothers and sisters here are saying. Keep seeking knowledge but also more importantly keep on praying to Allah for faith. There is a reason why there are the 'Pillars of Faith' and why they are not about just learning about God, Angels, Divine Books, God's Messengers, The resurrection and Pre-ordainment. The 'Pillars of Faith' are about believing in them.

Now i don't see how it's the person fault for educating their offspring if they themselves didn't know the truth? Many Atheists themself are trying to seek the truth if a God exists or not,not people like Richard Dawkins who are absolutely convinced that there's no Creator. Still how the eternal punishment is justified?
God is kind and Just,so why allow His creature so bear the unbearable pain?Doesn't God know it will hurt al ot?

So every bad thing happens because God allows it,because it's will. Why does He want bad things to happen?

Well sinkholes and Earthquakes are different. Yes sinkholes are man-made. But Earthquake is caused is because of the rubbing of plates,no?
 
Mr Gintoki, if you have questions directly relating to your original post then I think you can post it in this thread but if it's separate then you might want to make another thread. Haven't been following the thread but it seems like a derailment has taken place.
Oh,okay. Sorry.
 
Sorry, I’ve been out of town for a few days and didn’t bring my laptop.

Look, Gintoki, there’s a lot to catch up with but it all boils down to this:

Like i said i have the problems with the complex which is not making me believe the basics. Until i don't get rid of the doubts then it's difficult for me to believe in the basics.But i have no problems with the basics though.

The fact of the matter is, you read eighty-three pages of The Qur’an in a row and it got you all the way from “atheist” to “agnostic”. Doesn’t that tell you something, either about the book or about your own heart? Probably both?

But it’s okay because you still have every chance to turn back. Not because of “the fate of” anybody in the hereafter (certainly not all non-Muslims!—and I’m getting tired of going over that with you, especially after we've had a whole recent thread on it)—but because it’s the right thing to do. I’m not the first person to observe this but God is of such a nature that even if by some impossible measure all of His power could be taken away we would still owe him just as much loyalty as we do now just on general principles. I mean, we’re here in the first place because of Him, for one thing.

I wonder if your notion that the creation of the world will keep repeating is based on that hadith which says, “After that Allah will create a new creation,” or something like that. I think it’s just referring to the resurrection of a new kind of body from dust and bones.

Does it matter where evil suggestions come from? Does one apply this kind of ad hominem-based thinking to human agencies? If someone does the wrong thing, will you care if the person who told them that it’s a good idea is Steve from down the street or Jackie from one town over or even the talking dog who purportedly gave the go-ahead to David Berkowitz? Truth is truth and falsity falsity and good good and evil evil regardless of where it happens to come from. And yes, these things have a way of coming from different places. The Qur’an speaks of everyone having a demon who goes to work on them—but it never says that no evil suggestions ever come from anywhere else. Indeed, it instructs us in its closing verses to pray for protection from evil suggestions “from amongst both djinn and humans”.
Yes it did change my mind set. I don't really really know if that book or my heart tells me something. But i was hit by that statement that like God can give us life and death,surely he can resurrect us. Don't know why that statement hit me.

It's clear that the fate of Non-Muslims is eternal hell.

Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.

It said before Prophet(PBUH),the jews,christians and sabeans wouldn't have to worry,as Quran wasn't revealed at that time. But I'm talking about the fate of them after Prophet(PBUH) and the present people.

Besides it is said that Shirk is an unpardonable sin. So Christians thinking Jesus is God is unforgivable. Meaning the devotion that Christians and Jews did to their lord was a waste of time in front of Allah's eyes,when in their they believed that their religion is the correct one. So yes,Majority of them are going to hell forever. :/

Yes the evil suggestions matters. As i need proof that devils exist.
As i told you before that i did a test on myself,and that evil suggestions come to my mind because i think about them. And it doesn't make sense as I'm the one who keeps thinking about the wrong things ,then stop and then again. A devil can't be whispering in my ears. Every human is born selfish and not perfect,so yes,of course they would do evil deeds.
But to answer your question, I would care if that person who did the wrong thing was my son,and keep him away from jack and Steve for making him a bad person.
Now it would have been logical if that devil whispering in my ears and the thought came on his own without me thinking anything.
 
^ while praying have u ever noticed things just keep popping in ur head even though u don't want think abt them n u want to concentrate on ur salah , phones numbers u couldn't remember or where u kept the car keys all sorts of stuff comes to ur mind you don't want to think abt them you want to pray buh somehow they still come don't u think those are whisperings of shaitan?? I mean you didn't want to think abt ur car keys you were trying to focus on ur salah these distractions have u ever thought where do they come frm??

We're all here to help InshaAllah :) you'll find what ur looking for v soon n the signs they're everywhere.

Just yest my frnd tagged me in a picture she cut an apple n found Allah written inside v clear. N I was like wow I was talking abt ur cloud incident Allah showed it to me in an apple. :)

Allah is very very near.
 
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God is kind and Just,so why allow His creature so bear the unbearable pain?Doesn't God know it will hurt al ot?

Al-Anbiya (The Prophets)[21:23] [RECITE]
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La yusalu AAamma yafAAalu wahum yusaloona
21:23 He cannot be questioned for His acts, but they will be questioned (for theirs).

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I rather think God is infinitely just & merciful seeing how much work goes into making the body (biochemical/physiological) function per day that folks take for granted and still desirous of more and more and more in every aspect of their lives and still God gives, gives gives, and worse yet folks are completely ungrateful not only ungrateful but quizzical and even more standing an open opponent:

36:77 to top

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Does man not consider that We created him from a [mere] sperm-drop - then at once he is a clear adversary?

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And he presents for Us an example and forgets his [own] creation. He says, "Who will give life to bones while they are disintegrated?"

a pharmaceutical company will charge you $500,000 for Elaprase a single enzyme if you're missing it and yet you don't even consider at all that you've it working for you and what of the ramifications if missing.. a doctor will charge how much for a knee replacement and yet you'd show humility & gratitude and he an ego for some thing that would still require revision some five years down the line and you have the audacity to question 'eternal punishment'


419. Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: I heard Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) saying, "When Allah created the creatures, He wrote in the Book, which is with Him over His Throne: `Verily, My Mercy prevailed over My Wrath"
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

anything people receive by way of punishment is thoroughly deserved..


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The word will not be changed with Me, and never will I be unjust to the servants."

:Allah: :swt: is the judge of all judges and the king of kings..
you don't wish to subscribe to his laws which are so little.. he asks for so little which would help you in this life and the next, then go be on your own do your thing and question us not.. take your grievances on the day of recompense.

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It’s clear that the fate of Non-Muslims is eternal Hell...It said before Prophet(PBUH),the jews,christians and sabeans wouldn't have to worry,as Quran wasn't revealed at that time. But I'm talking about the fate of them after Prophet(PBUH) and the present people.

Last time I checked 2:62 is in the present tense and speaks in very general terms. It certainly doesn’t sound to me like your interpretation is at all sensible. In fact it’s in my experience that if you look carefully it actually tends to be those verses which can be tossed about in a more fire-and-brimstone, everybody-but-us-out-of-the-pool manner which tend to, in context, refer to the immediate historical situation (i.e. it’s these locals at the time who are d-a-m-n-e-d if they reject their prophet).

EDIT: You know, there really is no reason why shouldn't be able to say the word "d-a-m-n" at a religious message board. I mean, you can say "hell", can't you? What's up with that??

Besides it is said that Shirk is an unpardonable sin.

“God charges no soul save to its capacity; standing to its account is what it has earned, and against its account what it has merited. Our Lord, take us not to task if we forget, or make mistake.” (2:286, Arberry) Remember that the full and literal meaning of kafir is “one who holds the truth within his heart”. It’s impossible to commit shirk completely innocently. If it is an absolutely innocent mistake, without any corner of their psyche knowing any better, then they will be pardoned for it—hence 2:62.

Yes the evil suggestions matters. As i need proof that devils exist.

What on earth would suffice as proof?? What do you expect us to do, man, cut one’s head off and bring it to you on a plate on anchovies???

As i told you before that i did a test on myself,and that evil suggestions come to my mind because i think about them. And it doesn't make sense as I'm the one who keeps thinking about the wrong things ,then stop and then again. A devil can't be whispering in my ears.

You’ve been deliberately been thinking evil things? Dude, are you sure they haven’t been in your head?! Anyway this test doesn’t make any sense anyhow given that, once again, I never denied that evil influenced come from other places too and neither does The Qur’an, which explicitly states that there are human ones. It’s called “whispering” for a reason. It’s supposed to be subtle. You’re not meant to recognize the source. Under ideal conditions they might even catch you at a moment when you’re very distracted—which certainly doesn’t apply to the situation you’ve described, but it does apply to most classic temptations.

Every human is born selfish and not perfect,so yes,of course they would do evil deeds.

No one is ever born with evil traits. We are all born in a state of innocence and submission. The notion isn’t even philosophically sound. A cloth which has just been made cannot yet be stained, can it?

But to answer your question, I would care if that person who did the wrong thing was my son,and keep him away from jack and Steve for making him a bad person.

Evasion. You knew very well what the point was. If a man was to be kept away from the hazards of the course, there would hardly be any point in trying him to begin with.
 
Yes it did change my mind set. I don't really really know if that book or my heart tells me something. But i was hit by that statement that like God can give us life and death,surely he can resurrect us. Don't know why that statement hit me.

It's clear that the fate of Non-Muslims is eternal hell.

Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.

It said before Prophet(PBUH),the jews,christians and sabeans wouldn't have to worry,as Quran wasn't revealed at that time. But I'm talking about the fate of them after Prophet(PBUH) and the present people.

Besides it is said that Shirk is an unpardonable sin. So Christians thinking Jesus is God is unforgivable. Meaning the devotion that Christians and Jews did to their lord was a waste of time in front of Allah's eyes,when in their they believed that their religion is the correct one. So yes,Majority of them are going to hell forever. :/

Yes the evil suggestions matters. As i need proof that devils exist.
As i told you before that i did a test on myself,and that evil suggestions come to my mind because i think about them. And it doesn't make sense as I'm the one who keeps thinking about the wrong things ,then stop and then again. A devil can't be whispering in my ears. Every human is born selfish and not perfect,so yes,of course they would do evil deeds.
But to answer your question, I would care if that person who did the wrong thing was my son,and keep him away from jack and Steve for making him a bad person.
Now it would have been logical if that devil whispering in my ears and the thought came on his own without me thinking anything.

You are wrong to think that anyone is going to Hell forever. It doesn't matter what anyone thought about this issue, but Allah only punished evil for its like, and rewards a good deed ten times over (6:160). Therefore, if Allah is Just, which He is, then He does not punish anyone beyond this measure. He doesn't wrong anyone, but they wrong themselves.

As for what is constituted as Shirk being unforgivable, does it mean it never to be forgiven ever, or is it only unforgiven in this life? It is obvious that it is only unforgiven in this life, but as for the Hereafter, it is punished. This does not mean the punishment is infinite. Again, evil is merited with its like. Shirk is not an infinite sin. But, any punishment given will certainly FEEL like forever. That much is certain.

As for who goes to Hell or not, that is all up to Allah to decide. You cannot go judging Allah as to what He will judge when the Day of Judgment hasn't happened yet. Don't go making assumptions on what He decides. Do you know better or does the All-Knowing Allah know better? The belief is that Allah always knows better and He always makes the best decisions because only He knows what is in people's hearts. Islam is about Allah rewarding everyone according to the intentions in their hearts. Only the absolutely wretched and the worst people go to Hell, not just anyone. Perhaps if a lot of people go to Hell, then it means that there are that many foul and wretched people out there. Who am I to judge? Only Allah judges. He knows everyone better than they know themselves. Therefore, you cannot decide if Allah is Merciful or not.
 
^ while praying have u ever noticed things just keep popping in ur head even though u don't want think abt them n u want to concentrate on ur salah , phones numbers u couldn't remember or where u kept the car keys all sorts of stuff comes to ur mind you don't want to think abt them you want to pray buh somehow they still come don't u think those are whisperings of shaitan?? I mean you didn't want to think abt ur car keys you were trying to focus on ur salah these distractions have u ever thought where do they come frm??

We're all here to help InshaAllah :) you'll find what ur looking for v soon n the signs they're everywhere.

Just yest my frnd tagged me in a picture she cut an apple n found Allah written inside v clear. N I was like wow I was talking abt ur cloud incident Allah showed it to me in an apple. :)

Allah is very very near.

Then possibly it could be whispers of the devil. Does it happen to more people also?

If you don't mind,can you show me the picture of the apple? :p
 
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you don't wish to subscribe to his laws which are so little.. he asks for so little which would help you in this life and the next, then go be on your own do your thing and question us not.. take your grievances on the day of recompense.
I agree with that logic of we not being grateful to Allah.Everything you said was right,but that didn't quiet answered my question.
Yes i have the audacity to question eternal punishment as it contradicts the nature of God. It is said He is just and merciful,then why let his creation suffer in hell for all eternity? If Allah wanted his creations to suffer the hell fire forever then why create him/her in the first place?
People who murdered and commited rape to countless women might be justified,but an innocent atheist ? I don't think so.
"...this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for he committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit them. He said: "It may be otherwise, Oh 'A'isha, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins."

^ This tells that Allah has already decided the fate of His creations whether go goes to hell and heaven.

Sigh. Where did i say i don't 'wish' to subscribe to his laws? I'm trying to find the truth here,of course I'm going to question things either you like it or not. Okay i won't question you.
 
Evasion. You knew very well what the point was. If a man was to be kept away from the hazards of the course, there would hardly be any point in trying him to begin with.
Then what is your interpretation about Quran 2:62?
http://quran.com/2/62

It's clearly written before Prophet(SAW)

So you're saying that the Christians and Jews will be pardoned as it was an innocent mistake?

You're the one who believes in devils,surely they must be proof,no?

Yes i deliberately have been thinking about evil things,and no,they haven't been in my head as i thought about it myself.
Yes it's called whisper for a reason but in your Muslims point of view,the bad thoughts come because the devil whispers. But i myself deliberately thought about those bad things.
Like i said the whispers would make sense if the bad intention came out of nowhere ,but I'm talking about how i myself thought about those bad intentions and didn't come out nowhere.

And no,i didn't know what the point was. I just answered honestly.
 
Then possibly it could be whispers of the devil. Does it happen to more people also?

If you don't mind,can you show me the picture of the apple? :p

Yup happens to everyone I guess have u ever watched videos by baba Ali?? He mentions it in one of his vids as well so that means I'm not the only one Lol :p

Sure will show it to u. :)

Akhi I just hope u understand soon this deen is beautiful I tell srsly bee you tea full!! =)
 
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I’m glad you brought that up, Ahmad. I was thinking about it too but I didn’t want to be the first. “Until the camel goes through the eye of the needle” is an old Middle Eastern figure of speech which involves a certain amount of possible hyperbole, the way that idioms so often will. The Arabic word abada can mean “lasting”; it doesn’t have to mean “permanent”. The variant khalada can mean “a long duration”. Qur’an 11:106-108 refers to both the blessed and the condemned as being placed in their respective abodes in the hereafter to remain there forever “save as thy Lord will”—but it specifies only that the blessed have “a gift unbroken” (Arberry); it does not say the same about the condemned. ibn Taymiyya and ibn Qayyim have written about this before.
 
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It’s clearly written before Prophet(SAW)

I’m tired of people inserting things in brackets when they translate The Qur’an. We’re not supposed to add to the words of our Lord. There’s nothing “clear” about that. I’ve always seen the verse translated in the present tense before.

So you’re saying that the Christians and Jews will be pardoned as it was an innocent mistake?

I’m sorry, have I not made myself clear two or three times by now? Yes, that is what I’m saying.

You're the one who believes in devils,surely they must be proof,no?

If by “proof” you mean some kind of fossil or something then it would hardly matter. People would still find some kind of flimsy reason to call it a fake. In fact this reason, no matter how faulty, would become widely accepted by the scientific community and any scientist who found fault with the general consensus would get verbally dope-slapped and shunned by their peers. I dare you to look me in the eye and tell me I’m wrong. After all that’s what’s happened with psi. All those oodles and oodles and oodles and oodles of experiments proving its reality...well, don’t exist. Even textbooks refuse to acknowledge it. Because scientists are human beings and human beings (at least in large, organized groups defined by common beliefs) are stubborn and traditionalistic and refuse to accept change or even any non-traditional viewpoints about anything. If you don’t believe me then just wait for all the vituperations to pour into this very thread over the way that anyone here has dared to defy scholarly majority on hell lasting forever.

Yes i deliberately have been thinking about evil things,and no,they haven't been in my head as i thought about it myself.

Would you ordinarily have deliberately thought about evil things? Put two and two together, man. There’s more than one way to skin the cat. It’s a possibility, is what I’m saying. If it was as simple as our always knowing that the thoughts came from somewhere else then I don’t know if their little game could ever have worked. It would hardly make sense. We’d be onto them almost all the time, wouldn’t we?

Yes it's called whisper for a reason but in your Muslims point of view,the bad thoughts come because the devil whispers. But i myself deliberately thought about those bad things.

The bad thoughts, for the third or fourth time, come from “among both djinn and humans” (Qur’an 114:6).

“...this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for he committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit them. He said: ‘It may be otherwise, Oh ‘A’isha, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father’s loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father’s loins.”

^ This tells that Allah has already decided the fate of His creations whether go goes to hell and heaven.


If it really did mean that then it would contradict Qur’an 2:10 and therefore be false but I don’t think it does mean any such thing. You haven’t shown the full context but it looks like it could just saying that Allah has already knows where to send somebody since He knows all.
 

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