Malsidabym
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I agree. The actions displayed by the americans were disgusting.
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yes i am and looking at my profile wouldnt hurt either, i dont get what ur saying about online quran but i wanted to copy and paste the verse since i didnt know the exact verse word by word
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I formally nominate Martina as moderator (sorry Martina, hall monitor has already been taken).
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Mohammed Atta ...In 1999 he began attending an Islamic prayer group at the university, where he is believed to have recruited others for Muslim fundamentalist causes.(he was muslim) from egypt,,
http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=757
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Now, that IS an insult!
Please don't take part in this campaign that a newspaper owned by mediocre idiots are running. There is absolutely no doubt the holocaust took place. There were internation camps all over Europe during the second world war, even the school I went to as a child was a internation camp. I know stories from people who were there, I've seen pictures, they were horrible. It makes the USA/Iraq war seem like a walk in the park. The only ones who denies these facts today in Europe are the extreme leftist nazists (because they hate jews and because most of them are ignorant racists with no knowledge.).
These are some photos of victims:
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/MedExp01.jpg
This one makes me cry, germans experimented with children, and you have no idea what kind of horrors they were exposed to.
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Belsen01.jpg
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Belzec01.jpg
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Pit.jpg
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/MedExp03.jpg (medical experiments)
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/MedExp04.jpg
(Nazi medical experiments: a prisoner is submerged in a tank filled with cold water. The goal of this type of experiments was to check how long German pilots, who had to parachute into the cold north sea, would survive. Different types of clothing were tested, as well as different methods for reviving the experimental subjects who survived.)
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/EG1.jpg (jews being shot)
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/EG2.jpg
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/EG3.jpg
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Report01.jpg (papers from one camp...)
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Maidan01.jpg
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Kristl1.jpg (burning synagogue)
You may dislike jews, but the fact is they have gone through a lot of suffering through the years. No wonder they are so protective about their own nation. It's not because they are all "evil", many are able to recall memories from the past that they don't want to see happen again.
Making fun of holocaust will make the good Muhammad swirl inside his grave, I can't think for one second that ANYONE who makes fun of this tragedy will ever be allowed to enter paradise. So I think you should beware, Allah knows your mind better you do yourself, be sure it is not filled with lies or filth.
And these are photos of the camps themselves, which of some are museums today, they can be visited and are full og pictures that will make your stumack turn:
http://www.imagesforreflection.com/places.html
And if you still don't believe it happened, this site is the official Auschwitz site (in germany, hence the domain ending with .de!), do you think germans would have agreed to have done these things (or have german webpages about it) if it weren't true?:
http://auschwitz.dk/Holocaust1.htm
And just as you know it, there were lots of non-jewish people killed during the II world war too:
http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/
Assalaam Alykum Peace to you all
I agree with your comments that Two wrongs don’t make a right. But I suppose this is a way of teaching people that FREEDOM of SPEECH can go both ways. I agree writing about a time in which many people were killed brutally for their religion is disgusting BUT then writing about a Man whom Most Muslims consider and Love more than there very life is equally Disgusting.
What everyone needs to remember is that YES there is Freedom of Speech and YES there is FREEDOM of Press BUT there HAS GOT TO BE A LINE. if there is no line what we will have are Societies clashing Religious Groups HATING each other and VIOLENCE well there will defiantly be Violence as people will become animals.
The Line you could call it consideration or Respect. This is a trait that all people need and if this is something that we all disregard and abuse then YES we will be living like animals SAYING WHAT WE want even thought it maybe false.
Imagine HOW ONE FALSE COMMENT CAN LEAD TO BLOOD SHED, Hmm remember this verse and the outcome of this verse.
"Saddam Husssein can make a Nuclear Weapon in 40 minutes"
Yeah was just a line.... A line that led to Hundred and Thousands of Iraqis loosing their lives, Hundred and Thousands of Children and Women becoming Orphans and Widows.
So we must really think before we make any kind of statement.
I don’t think the ALL Danish people should apologise like a Sister said before a majority of Danish People are against the publication of these cartoons. But i do think the Government of Denmark should have chose their words a bit more carefully.
Further the RE publications of these cartoons was like pouring FUEL on a already fierce FIRE.
I agree with your comments that Two wrongs don’t make a right. But I suppose this is a way of teaching people that FREEDOM of SPEECH can go both ways. I agree writing about a time in which many people were killed brutally for their religion is disgusting BUT then writing about a Man whom Most Muslims consider and Love more than there very life is equally Disgusting.
What everyone needs to remember is that YES there is Freedom of Speech and YES there is FREEDOM of Press BUT there HAS GOT TO BE A LINE. if there is no line what we will have are Societies clashing Religious Groups HATING each other and VIOLENCE well there will defiantly be Violence as people will become animals.
The Line you could call it consideration or Respect. This is a trait that all people need and if this is something that we all disregard and abuse then YES we will be living like animals SAYING WHAT WE want even thought it maybe false.
Imagine HOW ONE FALSE COMMENT CAN LEAD TO BLOOD SHED, Hmm remember this verse and the outcome of this verse.
"Saddam Husssein can make a Nuclear Weapon in 40 minutes"
Yeah was just a line.... A line that led to Hundred and Thousands of Iraqis loosing their lives, Hundred and Thousands of Children and Women becoming Orphans and Widows.
So we must really think before we make any kind of statement.
I don’t think the ALL Danish people should apologise like a Sister said before a majority of Danish People are against the publication of these cartoons. But i do think the Government of Denmark should have chose their words a bit more carefully.
Further the RE publications of these cartoons was like pouring FUEL on a already fierce FIRE.
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me myself as a muslim, i think we as muslims mocking the jews is vry vry wrong!! i kno that u all r frustrated and angry at the Danish journalist! But instead of mockin the jews , we shud b showing them wats right and to b a role model for them... so they can follow the peaceful way of islam..
The government does not have responsibility to the evil deeds of a vicious few. If anyone kills an innocent Danish person the sole responsibility lies with the murderers, not with the Danish government. All governments must ensure their country and people are safe. But they also must uphold civilised values - and freedom of speech is an important value. So the solution is to track down and punish anyone who kills Danish civilians. The Danish government has not put anyone at risk - the entire responsibility here lies with the radical Muslims - those who lied about what the cartoons said, those who incited violence, and if there are any killings (and there have been) those who kill. I would be interested in any interpretation of Islamic law that says the blame for murder lies with anyone other than the murderer.
Those cartoons should not have been published, perhaps, but now they have been. And because they have been it is not an issue of politeness anymore, but one of defending fundamental rights - the right for Danish people to say what they like in Denmark, the right of the Danes to live their own lives in peace, the right of every nation to its own laws and customs and culture. Now it has become important not to give in to bullying. If the Danes do not then their entire public and political space will be dominated by the regimes of Egypt and Pakistan.
Funny, I've seen Chinese Malaysian women being naked and forced to do many things, including ear squats, by Malaysians. It is not a myth either. Do you have a point?
Which is fair enough. I do not think that it is fair to publish cartoons that insult other people's religious beliefs. But now they have been published. And it is important that the right of people to do so is defended. Otherwise all political debate in the West will be censored by Muslim radicals in the Middle East. Don't like Blair's Iraq policy? - call it racist and offensive to Muslims and get it stopped! Don't like the teaching of evolution in schools? Say it contradicts the Quran and get it banned! The Danes have a right to live their own lives in Denmark according to their own laws. Egyptians have a right to live their own lives in Egypt. It makes for a better world if the Danes do not censor the Egyptians and the Egyptians do not censor the Danes. Surely that is not unreasonable?
Actually evidence suggests otherwise. All religions have used the power of the state to oppress people they do not like. It is only in the modern West, once all major religions have accepted certain civilized values, that it has stopped. If you create a benefit to holding power - the right to suppress your opponents for instance - then religions will struggle to hold power. In the West people have demanded that religious groups resolve their disputes peacefully and through debate. The result is that religious hatred (and as it happens religious belief) has evaporated. You can look at any Middle Eastern country where that has not happened and see that everyone suffers if they do not hold onto power. In Saudi Arabia liberals are jailed. In Egypt Muslims are executed. Is this what you want in the UK?
I don't think animals live that way. And if it comes down to it, I think that is preferable to living in a society where if you say anything the Inquisition looks it over to decide if it is acceptable or not. The Australian state of Victoria went down the route of imposed a ban of Religious Vilification. The Muslim Council of Victoria supported the law, but now regret it and call for the law to be abolished. Because of course once the law was in place they sued some Christians, but the Christians sued them back and now everyone is suing everyone else. Let me ask you, as the Muslims of Europe are a minority, if such a law was passed in Europe, who would suffer the most - Christians or Muslims? Remember every time you say "There is only one God" you are vilifying Hindus. And every time you say "Muhammed is His Prophet" you are insulting Jews and Christians.
I think you ought to read Amir Butler's article on Victoria's experience. See http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CAD01.htm
Well yes and no. We ought to think before we insult the religious beliefs of others. But we ought to do it not because we are scared of violence - crime must be met by force and justice, not by appeasement - but because it is the civilised thing to do.
Except now the issue is not the cartoons, but whether Europeans will allow their own laws to be overturned by Islamic laws, their own public debates censored by radicals in the Middle East. NOW the issue is far more serious and the Danes should not back off.
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islam will be stronger and victorious in the end inshallah
wasalam
islam will be stronger and victorious in the end inshallah
wasalam
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Good points. I don't think neither the danish or the norwegians will back off. This is a case that Islam will never win. The riots that we see has nothing to do with the cartoons, the cartoons are merely the scapegoat and the bad excuse for these violent acts.
I strongly beleive that US attacked Iraq not bcoz of Saddam, but the oil. A friend of mine went for a seminar(sort of) in USA 2 yrs back. She is not wearing hijab (seldom perform solah), so they didn't realise that there is a muslim malaysian in the group. One of the professor excitedly showed areas in Malaysia (via satelite) that have huge amount of oil. Will Malaysia be the next target? Nauzubillah
From that 2 weeks seminar she concluded that US just wants the oil.
US have the money to buy the oil? Yup most probably they have, but what if Saddam don't want to sell it to them? Is there any possibility that was the reason of attacking Iraq?
They hate Saddam bcoz he is not practising Islam? Why on earth must they worry so much about Saddam faith and practise?
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That was a misunderstanding,,,on my part,,,and rudeness gets us no where,,I am new here,,,and haven't been looking at profiles,,Allah Hafiz
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This raises the question then "Why was the Taliban and Afghanistan attacked for the evil deeds that other men that weren’t even Afghans did"
As for the Danes not giving in. Oh come on you are saying that its best that people are killed, embassies are burnt and demonstrations worldwide continue. The only people that have really suffered are the Danes and this included the innocent ones. There country flag has been continuously burnt, There products have been boycotted, the lives of those Danes living in Muslim countries have been put at risk and FOR WHAT! Freedom of Speech
Don’t make me laugh!!
Well they were not. They were attacked for sheltering Osama Bin Laden and refusing to hand him over. The US, to my knowledge, never said that the Afghans were guilty of 9-11, just that they helped OBL, they knowingly hid him from justice, and they would not hand him over.
No I am not. I am saying it is best that people behave in a decent and peaceful manner. Which means those cartoons should not have been published. But even more importantly those embassies should not have been burnt. However, now the cartoons have been published, and the Danes cannot afford to let foreign radicals determine what is or is not acceptable in Danish society.
Well I think that some Muslims have suffered hurt feelings, but the only people to have suffered in a material sense are Danes. And it has been for the Freedom of Speech but also it has become a defence of Danish rights and sovereignty. It is worth defending and, frankly, it is worth paying the price. Non-Muslims cannot let Muslims, especially foreign Muslims, determine what is or is not acceptable in their own countries. After all what is the next step - will Danish embassies burn if Denmark does not include Quranic lessons in every school? If Denmark agrees to trade with Israel? In your home you can do whatever you like. In my home what I do is none of your business. That is an important principle.