We are sorry

[Sis786]

The fact is that these cartoons have been published earlier by several other norwegian newspapers. But noone could care less, it happened a long time ago, and norwegian muslims, moderate and collected as they may be, didn't bother to react .

I have not seen this picture before and therefore cannot comment on it. BUT I CAN reassure you no Muslim would have "Care less" as you mentioned, It was that most Muslims were not made aware of it. Once we knew We responded, AND no one has mentioned that STUPID TWAT in your Picture, We are angry about what we have seen THE CARTOONS

 

[Christian_dove]

I have not seen this picture before and therefore cannot comment on it. BUT I CAN reassure you no Muslim would have "Care less" as you mentioned, It was that most Muslims were not made aware of it. Once we knew We responded, AND no one has mentioned that STUPID TWAT in your Picture, We are angry about what we have seen THE CARTOONS

They were printed in "Dagbladet" and "Aftenposten", those are two of the largest newspapers in Norway. There is no doubt muslims must have seen them. But there were no reaction, which was good. Ignoring is sometimes the best you can do towards people trying to offend you.

 

[Sis786]

I accept that, but I think it is important that in Denmark it is the Danes that determine those boundaries.[ QUOTE]

When Danes look to offend people also OUT of Denmark then we as VICTIMS have every right to speak out. Muhammed PBHU was not Danish! He was a Prophet to ALL MUSLIMS so when we talk about a Prophet and when we are looking to offend a PROPHET then we are offending ALL HIS FOLLOWERS.

Well when you use your freedom of speech in a way that does not incite murder or terrorism I see nothing wrong. So far you have put your case strongly but have not called for my head to be cut off. I have no problem with that and would expect no less.[ QUOTE]

Yes I agree BUT then again i go back to the fact of what these pictures meant. THERE was NO reason to draw these pictures, THERE was no meaning behind them, THESE pictures WERE made for one purpose and THAT WAS TO OFFEND,

As for heads being cutt off. If this had happened in a Muslim Country then this would have been the outcome of the Publisher, As we as Muslims have a separate Law and those who go against this Law are punished. Just like if you were in America and if you went against the Law there YOU might face the death sentence

Perhaps, but where will it end? People have been telling me for over a year now that there are too many Muslims in the West and they need to go.[ QUOTE]

Yeah most from the East also think that the WEST need to leave.

So my question to you is simple - to live together as Muslims and non-Muslims there needs to be mutual respect.[ QUOTE]

Totally agree, You wont find a Muslim offending another Religion. One thing we regard most precious to us is OUR FAITH. Many in the West regard thier Parents Thier Country THIER football team. We dont go around deliberately and for no reason AT all OFFEND THEM DO WE?

 

[Sis786]

They were printed in "Dagbladet" and "Aftenposten", those are two of the largest newspapers in Norway. There is no doubt muslims must have seen them. But there were no reaction, which was good. Ignoring is sometimes the best you can do towards people trying to offend you.

I think anything else and we might have tolerated this BUT to treat a Man we reagrd more than our lives like this, THEN the re-publishing was just out of order

 

[Juice]

I think the problem is not in Danish newspaper nor journalist. The problem is how islamic people understand their religion and in this case they understand it wrong.
Yes, yes they printed cartoons, so what? Is this the reason to start burning houses and violence around. If I would say 'Islam prompts violence and terrorism' to you Islamic people face to face will you kill or beat me then?
This is silly, especially in the 21st century. Islam was founded in middleages and the religion is not flexible to these days. Islam people have to think innovative and be educated and only then they can have economical and social goodness and when they will have it, they will respond to similar cartoons forgiving. Violence usually comes from non-educated people. Why is it so? It is because of your religion and fanatism which do not allow recognition of the world. If you are smart you know what is wrong and what is right and if you will not pay any attention to such printings nobody will publish them again.
I think there are Islamic people who do not want to be islamic but they are afraid not to be islamic and live in islamic countries. A man is free from his birthday and nobody cannot command him what he wants to do.
After 100 years all people will be equal you want it or not because the globalisation process is going faster and faster.

I would like to say last thing to islamic teenagers and other immigrants who usually participate in such forums and Live in Europe, USA and etc:
Why are you angry on the Europe and its press? If you dont like what you see or hear go back to your countries and build economies there but your parents came here seeking for a better life. We did not want you but you wanted us. If you live in our countries you have to behave like us.

 

[- Qatada -]

Juice, do you actually know what you're saying?


First of all, theres no place for racism in islam - therefore no, we don't need to go back to 'our own countries.' There are alot of swedish,danish, european, american muslims all over the world.


Secondly - you need to understand that islam does fit in with todays society, and it is a religion from the one God who created the heavens and the earth, it is a religion that was sent to Adam, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and all the prophets before that (peace be upon them all.) So its easy for God to create a religion that is created for all of mankind, till the final day.


[Qur'an 30:22] And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colors; verily in that are Signs for those who know.

[Qur'an 49:13] O mankind! We created you from a male and female [Adam and Eve], and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other. Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him...


Its our duty as muslims to spread the message, and to spread peace. This means, we should avoid violence, like the violence you may have seen on tv. We should show the true, pure character as muslims, of all the prophets. Because they (the prophets) - were the best of all mankind. When the ignorant addressed, them - they said 'peace.' and we should lead that example as muslims.


If you have any questions about islam, please do ask. But please ask, to learn with an open heart, not to attack something you may not have sufficient knowledge about. Thanks.


Peace.

 

[Juice]

Hello,

Europeans have understood Christianity wrong in middleages and this led crusades in the East but now we understand that violence is not right and you still think like a middle age man.

Yes, I am Christian but I dont think God created the Earth and heaven. This is pathetic. I sayed be educated. Your religion can be a practice which remounts to antiquity but dont say God created the Earth and heaven ;D

Religions were made to control citizens and is a high psychological system which is used.
You people have to live for yourselves but not for the religion and all World will be friendly.

Juice, do you actually know what you're saying?


First of all, theres no place for racism in islam - therefore no, we don't need to go back to 'our own countries.' There are alot of swedish,danish, european, american muslims all over the world.


Secondly - you need to understand that islam does fit in with todays society, and it is a religion from the one God who created the heavens and the earth, it is a religion that was sent to Adam, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and all the prophets before that (peace be upon them all.) So its easy for God to create a religion that is created for all of mankind, till the final day.


[Qur'an 30:22] And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colors; verily in that are Signs for those who know.

[Qur'an 49:13] O mankind! We created you from a male and female [Adam and Eve], and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other. Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him...


Its our duty as muslims to spread the message, and to spread peace. This means, we should avoid violence, like the violence you may have seen on tv. We should show the true, pure character as muslims, of all the prophets. Because they (the prophets) - were the best of all mankind. When the ignorant addressed, them - they said 'peace.' and we should lead that example as muslims.


If you have any questions about islam, please do ask. But please ask, to learn with an open heart, not to attack something you may not have sufficient knowledge about. Thanks.


Peace.

 

[HeiGou]

I accept that, but I think it is important that in Denmark it is the Danes that determine those boundaries.

When Danes look to offend people also OUT of Denmark then we as VICTIMS have every right to speak out. Muhammed PBHU was not Danish! He was a Prophet to ALL MUSLIMS so when we talk about a Prophet and when we are looking to offend a PROPHET then we are offending ALL HIS FOLLOWERS.

I am not denying anyone their right to speak out. What I think is that they should obey the law of the country that they are in. And I am defending Denmark's rights of independence and self determination.

Yes I agree BUT then again i go back to the fact of what these pictures meant. THERE was NO reason to draw these pictures, THERE was no meaning behind them, THESE pictures WERE made for one purpose and THAT WAS TO OFFEND,

Actually there is a reason - to discover how intimidated Danish illustrators are and how tolerant Danish society is of free speech.

As for heads being cutt off. If this had happened in a Muslim Country then this would have been the outcome of the Publisher, As we as Muslims have a separate Law and those who go against this Law are punished. Just like if you were in America and if you went against the Law there YOU might face the death sentence

Sure. If I was in America. Is it right that America might seek to execute me for something I did in Iraq - even though it was total legal in Iraq? Do you think that that would be wrong?

Yeah most from the East also think that the WEST need to leave.

Perhaps. But I think that would end badly for everyone. No matter. It seems there is little I can do to avert it anyway.

So my question to you is simple - to live together as Muslims and non-Muslims there needs to be mutual respect.

Totally agree, You wont find a Muslim offending another Religion.

That is not entirely true. Muslims do believe things that other people find offensive - that there is only One God for instance. Offends Hindus and Buddhists and other assorted animists. That Muhammed is His prophet for another - offends Christians and Jews. That Jesus was not God and did not die on the Cross. The list goes on. Did you read Amir Butler's article that I posted earlier?

One thing we regard most precious to us is OUR FAITH. Many in the West regard thier Parents Thier Country THIER football team. We dont go around deliberately and for no reason AT all OFFEND THEM DO WE?

Well not for no reason, but putting an "I love Al-Qaeda" cap on a baby's head was pretty offensive to many. Abu Hamza is in jail for offending many more.

If we are all to get along there needs to be limits on what we do to each other. Calling for more 7-7 attacks is beyond any reasonable standard.

 

[Muezzin]

I think the problem is not in Danish newspaper nor journalist. The problem is how islamic people understand their religion and in this case they understand it wrong.

Eh? With all due respect, I don't think you're in any position to decide what the correct way of understanding Islam is. Just as I am not in the best position to decide what the correct way of understanding Buddhism is, for example.

Yes, yes they printed cartoons, so what? Is this the reason to start burning houses and violence around.

Nope.

If I would say 'Islam prompts violence and terrorism' to you Islamic people face to face will you kill or beat me then?

No. To tell the truth, I'd probably just make fun of you, but that's just me.

This is silly, especially in the 21st century. Islam was founded in middleages and the religion is not flexible to these days.

I beg to differ. The teachings and rules of Islam themselves are flexible and future-proof. Of course you get a few followers of Islam who are crazy as heck, but the religion itself is flawless.

Islam people have to think innovative and be educated and only then they can have economical and social goodness and when they will have it, they will respond to similar cartoons forgiving.

Are you saying that by definition, all Muslims are not 'innovative' or 'educated'?

Violence usually comes from non-educated people.

Except when it's in Iraq. Twice. Or Germany, or Poland, or France, etc

Why is it so? It is because of your religion and fanatism which do not allow recognition of the world.

Oh, really? Care to tell me where Islam does not allow 'recognition of the world'?

If you are smart you know what is wrong and what is right and if you will not pay any attention to such printings nobody will publish them again.

This is true. However, I cannot say I am surprised by the reaction to the cartoons.

I think there are Islamic people who do not want to be islamic but they are afraid not to be islamic and live in islamic countries.

Yes, so?

A man is free from his birthday and nobody cannot command him what he wants to do.

God can.

After 100 years all people will be equal you want it or not because the globalisation process is going faster and faster.

We do want all people to be equal. We believe all people are equal.

Personally, I myself am not a fan of globalisation - I think it's better that each country has its own heritage and culture. It's just more interesting that way.

I would like to say last thing to islamic teenagers and other immigrants who usually participate in such forums and Live in Europe, USA and etc:

Please do not group together so many people into one basket. It makes you look both ignorant and racist.

Why are you angry on the Europe and its press?

Because many Muslims found the cartoons offensive. Just like if someone called you an '[insert expletive]-face' in the street - you'd get pretty angry right?

If you dont like what you see or hear go back to your countries and build economies there but your parents came here seeking for a better life. We did not want you but you wanted us. If you live in our countries you have to behave like us.

And the vast majority of Muslims do abide by the laws of the land. Please tighten your language in future, since it currently makes you look bigoted.

 

[Anoobis]

Salam
What i want to know is why are muslims apologising to the danish when the danish have not apologised to us?
Wassalam

that's the attitude that creates war my friend, and i am quite sure there's loads of forums with Norwegian / Danish youth saying "sorry" on behalf of their country but you just havent read them yet.

 

[Juice]

Eh? With all due respect, I don't think you're in any position to decide what the correct way of understanding Islam is. Just as I am not in the best position to decide what the correct way of understanding Buddhism is, for example.


Nope.


No. To tell the truth, I'd probably just make fun of you, but that's just me.


I beg to differ. The teachings and rules of Islam themselves are flexible and future-proof. Of course you get a few followers of Islam who are crazy as heck, but the religion itself is flawless.


Are you saying that by definition, all Muslims are not 'innovative' or 'educated'?
Innovative country is UAE only. There are no others.

Except when it's in Iraq. Twice. Or Germany, or Poland, or France, etc


Oh, really? Care to tell me where Islam does not allow 'recognition of the world'? I know people in islamic countries cannot watch sattelite TV, read erotic magazines, drink. Girls have to wear lots of clothes and if they will not they can be punished. Is this a freedom and recognition of the world?


This is true. However, I cannot say I am surprised by the reaction to the cartoons.
Violence comes from non educated people

Yes, so?
They are afraid and cannot say no because you fanatics can harm them.

God can.
You must be joking. However this is the way you understand the world but this is not an issue for other people

We do want all people to be equal. We believe all people are equal.

Personally, I myself am not a fan of globalisation - I think it's better that each country has its own heritage and culture. It's just more interesting that way.
Globalisation will be for our all goodness and people will be tolerant

Please do not group together so many people into one basket. It makes you look both ignorant and racist.
Facts prove that...


Because many Muslims found the cartoons offensive. Just like if someone called you an '[insert expletive]-face' in the street - you'd get pretty angry right?
I wouls say something back but will not make any violence. This is the reason why I differ from you.

And the vast majority of Muslims do abide by the laws of the land. Please tighten your language in future, since it currently makes you look bigoted.

...

 

[TSpot]

And the vast majority of Muslims do abide by the laws of the land. Please tighten your language in future, since it currently makes you look bigoted.

That is true and the language certainly could be cleaned up. However, Sis, is advocating the violation of those laws or that they should be changed to suit her. That is simply not how a democracy works. Violence is wrong and it doesn't work. Had the protests been peaceful, the government of Denmark's hands would not be tied right now. This extremism increases the gulf, not reduces it.

Several years ago there was an art exhibit where one of the artists' 'work' was a crucifix suspended in a jar of urine. This is extreme blasphemy to Christians. To make matters worse, the exhibit was, in part funded by the government. Did Christians burn and loot and resort to violence? No. They protested, they even sued and they fought for reform of the laws. At the end of the day the courts said that the artist had a right to show this work.

Was the artist attacking Christianity? I don't know. However, if folks had killed him or resorted to violence, his point would have been made for him because that is clearly anti-Christian behavior.

I was offended by the depiction, but I believe in his absolute right to make it. It is his opinion, however misguided. But there is no way, as a Christian, I can support violence for this act.

 

[Anoobis]

Yes I agree BUT then again i go back to the fact of what these pictures meant. THERE was NO reason to draw these pictures, THERE was no meaning behind them, THESE pictures WERE made for one purpose and THAT WAS TO OFFEND,

Do you allways expect the worst from people?

Totally agree, You wont find a Muslim offending another Religion. One thing we regard most precious to us is OUR FAITH. Many in the West regard thier Parents Thier Country THIER football team. We dont go around deliberately and for no reason AT all OFFEND THEM DO WE?

You are aware of that you are mocking the christian god just by not worshipping him according to the old testament?

every good christian are supposed to kill all non-believers and people living in sin with rocks etc.
BUT christians don't practice that (anymore... the crusades...shrug!) becos it's INHUMANE and NO ONE respects other peoples religions more than christians in europe.

we let you have your own churches for crying out loud, shouting in your own language in loudspeakers across town every day.
Do we burn your holy places near us every time a muslim terrorist blow off a bomb in a nearby country or in our own? NO
But some of you burned our embassies becos a few stupid EDITORS made some bad calls.

These are the reasons why muslims aren't trusted by many in my country, wich is Norway for the record.

i prefer to stay neutral when it comes to religion, but Muslims resort to voilence alot wich i don't like much.

 

[Ken Nielsen]

Anoobis,

Thank you for posting honestly what is your viewpoint.


I am thankful that we can share our lives and thoughts across the world instantly because of the gift of the internet.

An amazing provided invention for this time,



Ken

 

[aamirsaab]

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[Muezzin]

Innovative country is UAE only. There are no others.

I’m not talking about countries. I’m talking about individuals. Surely you are not saying that all Muslims are uneducated? If you are saying that, you are wrong.

I know people in islamic countries cannot watch sattelite TV,

So? Most TV is crap anyway.

read erotic magazines,

Why have a magazine when you can have a spouse?

drink.

And? It saves money and you don’t make a fool of yourself. It’s a win-win situation.

Girls have to wear lots of clothes

You say that like girls don’t like to buy and wear clothes. You ever been into Gap?

and if they will not they can be punished.

Because that is the law in that country.

Is this a freedom and recognition of the world?

Not ‘freedom’ as you define it, or ‘recognition’ of your world. It is simply different. If you cannot comprehend this, then you are guilty of the very same ignorance you are accusing Muslims in Europe of.

Violence comes from non educated people

As the Crusades, the Napoleonic Wars, both World Wars, Vietnam, Korea and Iraq all show.

They are afraid and cannot say no because you fanatics can harm them.

There you go with the sweeping generalisations. You calling me a fanatic now? Have you ever met me in real life? No. Please, do not make such generalisations as they make you look ignorant and bigoted.

You must be joking.

Nope.

However this is the way you understand the world but this is not an issue for other people

Fair enough.

Globalisation will be for our all goodness and people will be tolerant

That’s what you believe. I believe otherwise. I think each country of this planet should retain its own culture and identity and language.

Facts prove that...

What are you talking about? No, really, your statement doesn’t make sense. What are you saying?

I wouls say something back but will not make any violence. This is the reason why I differ from you.

But if you say something back, you will be angry won’t you? Really, I’m angry that people are angry at Muslims for GETTING angry. I mean, jeez, now Muslims can’t even experience EMOTIONS? Note, I am not supporting violence. The emotion of anger, however, is a natural one given provocation. To argue otherwise is stupidity.

TSpot, I agree with you. Violence is not the answer. And the example you gave proves a lot of modern art is rubbish, no? Now, Da Vinci, Picasso, Raphael, Michaelangelo - those guys could paint.

Andy Warhol? Eh... not so much.

 

[TSpot]

You say that like girls don’t like to buy and wear clothes. You ever been into Gap?

Now, that's a good comeback.

 

[Christian_dove]

But if you say something back, you will be angry won’t you? Really, I’m angry that people are angry at Muslims for GETTING angry. I mean, jeez, now Muslims can’t even experience EMOTIONS? Note, I am not supporting violence. The emotion of anger, however, is a natural one given provocation. To argue otherwise is stupidity.

Emotions are deceiving. Desire, hatred, lust, jealousy, anger, etc. Non if it is the truth. Use reason in stead. I am sure Muhammad must have said something about controling ones emotions in stead of letting the emotions control you..

 

[Muezzin]

Emotions are deceiving. Desire, hatred, lust, jealousy, anger, etc. Non if it is the truth. Use reason in stead. I am sure Muhammad must have said something about controling ones emotions in stead of letting the emotions control you..

Indeed he did. See the post below for the correct hadith.

However, to tell someone off just for feeling angry is silly. Of course, if the anger leads to violence, such beratement is justified. But the emotion itself is perfectly natural. Otherwise one represses one's anger which is extremely unhealthy, as the 'Hulk' movie shows

Now, that's a good comeback.

I try.

 

[- Qatada -]

Abu Hurayra reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The person who is strong is not strong because he can knock people down. The person who is strong is the one who controls himself when he is angry."


Ibn 'Umar said,"There is nothing that is swallowed greater with Allah in reward than a slave of Allah who swallows and contains his rancour out of desire for the pleasure of Allah."


more from this link:
http://www.sunnipath.com/Resources/PrintMedia/Hadith/H0003P0055.aspx


Peace.