"Why has Allah forbidden eating Pork?"

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Re: Why is pork forbidden?

I cannot find anywhere where it says a pig doesn't have a neck?
If i indeed doesn't have a neck, what about fish do they have necks?

You search for a neck? why not search for the verse which forbids the eating of swine within the bible?

How openly the rules are set yet they are just as openly broken?

i say this not to insult any christian for those who eat swine are no christian in that sense...

My words are not of hate but enlightenment...

Gods rules are clear and not to be broken for a reason..
 
Re: Why is pork forbidden?

Greetings,

I eat pork, bacon and ham all the time and I've never noticed any ill effects.

Also, if eating meat from an animal that hasn't been slaughtered in a halaal way is so injurious to health, howcome Westerners in general don't notice ill effects resulting from this either?

Peace

Lol science does not answer every question about ill health yet there may be unseen reasons for why it is forbidden...

it is stated by god to be unclean..a beleiver of either christian or islamic or jewish belif needs not question why....

It is stated within the quran,torah and bible question is are u religous not if your unhealthy...
 
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Greetings,
Lol science does not answer every question about ill health yet there may be unseen reasons for why it is forbidden...

Science answers many questions about ill-health, whereas religion answers none.

it is stated by god to be unclean..a beleiver of either christian or islamic or jewish belif needs not question why....

Well, if there's no evidence for it being unclean outside of the "unseen reasons" you suggest, then you have to question god's judgment on this one.

All the Christians I know have no compunction about eating pork. They don't obey all the laws in the Old Testament, in case you didn't know.

It is stated within the quran,torah and bible question is are u religous not if your unhealthy...

Right, so why do we have people trying to justify the prohibition on pork on the grounds that it's supposed to be unhealthy?

Peace
 
Re: Why is pork forbidden?

Greetings,


Science answers many questions about ill-health, whereas religion answers none.

Religon answers none? please look more carefully into what science proclaims and the quran states...


Well, if there's no evidence for it being unclean outside of the "unseen reasons" you suggest, then you have to question god's judgment on this one.
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The unseen reasons... talking from a belif point of view there is a law by god not to eat pork quite clearly stated in all three abrahmic religons...therefore for true followers of religon it is forbidden....

For the seen reasons...the Swine would eat anything you give it and it has no boundries to what it will eat , the swine would be found on battle fields eating the carcass of men wether christian, muslim or jew..compared to other as would be farm animals on a regular basis the swine would eat rotting meat, to then consume such a creature would be quite unhealthy...
Also as ar as unhealthy meats go pork is far unhealthier than other meats...


All the Christians I know have no compunction about eating pork. They don't obey all the laws in the Old Testament, in case you didn't know..

If they do not obey all the laws that is not any mans concern but there own they are no true followers then..the laws within the old testament were never thrown out the window with the new one.. it states no where within the new testament that pork IS allowed...

Right, so why do we have people trying to justify the prohibition on pork on the grounds that it's supposed to be unhealthy?

Peace

Ask those people not me...

However overall as i said pork is unhealthy aswell..

but that would not be the grounds upon which i would not eat it...

Its a law of allah and i am a follower i obey what is quite clearly stated...
 
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Greetings,
Religon answers none? please look more carefully into what science proclaims and the quran states...

I'd be interested to hear how Qur'anic statements answering questions to do with ill-health compare with those found in modern medicine.

For the seen reasons...the Swine would eat anything you give it and it has no boundries to what it will eat , the swine would be found on battle fields eating the carcass of men wether christian, muslim or jew..compared to other as would be farm animals on a regular basis the swine would eat rotting meat, to then consume such a creature would be quite unhealthy...

It's true that the pig will eat pretty much anything, although I'm surprised you would expect it to discriminate on the grounds of religion!

Also as ar as unhealthy meats go pork is far unhealthier than other meats...

Evidence?

If they do not obey all the laws that is not any mans concern but there own they are no true followers then..the laws within the old testament were never thrown out the window with the new one.. it states no where within the new testament that pork IS allowed...

True, the New Testament doesn't state that pork is allowed (as far as I know anyway). But ask any Christian theologian, priest or monk, and they will tell you that Christians do not have to follow every law of the Old Testament in order to remain Christian.

Ask those people not me...

However overall as i said pork is unhealthy aswell..

You have attempted to justify the argument that pork is unhealthy, therefore I think it's perfectly fair to ask you a) for evidence of this and b) why you think it's a suitable argument to make even though you appear not to found your abstention from pork on this basis.

but that would not be the grounds upon which i would not eat it...

Its a law of allah and i am a follower i obey what is quite clearly stated...

Of course. If you're happy with that, that's fair enough - your belief is your belief. If this is the case, then why make the argument about pork being unhealthy?

Peace
 
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Greetings,


I'd be interested to hear how Qur'anic statements answering questions to do with ill-health compare with those found in modern medicine.

Overall the quran states much on science as i said do look into this if intrested...


It's true that the pig will eat pretty much anything, although I'm surprised you would expect it to discriminate on the grounds of religion!



Evidence?.

i do not expect it to discriminate thats my point... u asked why it is visbley unclean i stated that it would eat rotten meat and even a carcass of a human.


True, the New Testament doesn't state that pork is allowed (as far as I know anyway). But ask any Christian theologian, priest or monk, and they will tell you that Christians do not have to follow every law of the Old Testament in order to remain Christian.

I do not ask a mullah when it comes to not eating pork nor follow the words of a mere man i follow what is stated in the words of allah...

What is the point in following a religon to only follow what parts you want to follow?


You have attempted to justify the argument that pork is unhealthy, therefore I think it's perfectly fair to ask you a) for evidence of this and b) why you think it's a suitable argument to make even though you appear not to found your abstention from pork on this basis..

lol my main aim here is to explain that when it is stated that it is forbidden within your religon that is gods word and it should be followed...
For it being unhealthy a side tracked conversation yet u wish to aim mainly on that point?

lol sorry i wont go through the net looking if porkis the unhealthiest meat!? chefs have stated in the past that if sticking to a healthy life style pork was the first meat to leave off the platter as it contained the highest level of fat compared to other red meats...pls research yourself...

Of course. If you're happy with that, that's fair enough - your belief is your belief. If this is the case, then why make the argument about pork being unhealthy?

Peace

You seem to be going round in circles...i have no argument..i have stated an important fact...i it is forbidden within your religon to eat a certain animal to truly follow your religon follow gods words..

Pork being unhealthy is your argument that i state it is unhealthy however if you wish for this to be the main debate here you are in the wrong place my friend...

Wether it be unhealthy or not abrahamic religons forbid it...
 
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It was my understanding that in the time of Mohammad pigs had a parasite. Is this true? Well, this is no longer the case, so I don't understand the prohibition.

In regards to pork being forbidden in the bible, torrah, and koran, this is true. However, did you ever stop to think what your life would REALLY be like if you obeyed ALL the rules and regulations mentioned in the bible, torrah, or koran? I think we all have a tendency to pick and choose the ones we want to incorporate into our lives.

I clearly do not understand the assumption that pigs do not have a neck. I was raised on a hog farm, and yes, I guarantee you that they DO have a neck. In fact, when we would slaughter them, the first step was to shoot the pig, then IMMEDIATELY, slice the neck with a knife to drain the blood. Also, my farmgirl expertise can also tell you that chicken and turkeys are far more nasty than pigs. They eat their feces, they eat dirt. The flesh of a chicken or turkey is the most difficult to prepare in a sanitary manner.

To address the pork being unhealthy, I want to mention that the health factor of all animals depends on the method of food preparation. For example, pork (like poultry) has the meat attached to the fat. The fat is not incorporated into the tissue of animal. All you have to do is separate the meat from the fat(cut it off with a knife). Any beef eaters out there? Did you know that it is impossible to separate the meat from the fat? The fat is intertwined into the flesh of the animal (this is called marbeling). So, as far as fat content, beef would be the least healthy option.

I'm not trying to offend anyone, or convince anyone to eat pork. This is just my 2 cents.
 
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what your life would REALLY be like if you obeyed ALL the rules and regulations mentioned in the bible, torrah, or koran
Then I'd be a mumin(inshallah)
 
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Then I'd be a mumin(inshallah)

Does this mean, "one who has come into peace or security "?

I do not mean to disrespect you or anyone else, I personally believe that it is impossible for us to follow every rule in the religious books. I suppose it's because many of them are contradictory.
 
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Salaam

Difinition:A believer, a practicing Muslim who wholeheartedly yields to Allah's guiding wisdom and is thus harmony with His will and at peace with himself and fellow creatures
 
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Salaam

I disagree, the deen has been made easy, one might make mistakes on the journey, but one can try.
 
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Does this mean, "one who has come into peace or security "?

I do not mean to disrespect you or anyone else, I personally believe that it is impossible for us to follow every rule in the religious books. I suppose it's because many of them are contradictory.

Salam,

It may well be impossible, but its not impossible for us to try, to please Allah as best we can.

(Muslims believe there are no contradictions in the Qur'an)

Salam
 
Re: Why is pork forbidden?

Salam,

It may well be impossible, but its not impossible for us to try, to please Allah as best we can.

(Muslims believe there are no contradictions in the Qur'an)

Salam


Perhaps there are no contradictions in the Qur'an. I am not in a position to deny your statement. Would this mean that the differences in opinions are due to individual interpretation? As much as I would like to believe that the instructions in the Qur'an are presented in black and white, I find that difficult to grasp. We can see from this forum the many views of Islamic interpretation. I don't think that this is a bad thing...just gives us the need for tolerance. :)
 
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Salaam

I disagree, the deen has been made easy, one might make mistakes on the journey, but one can try.


Hi. If the deen has been made easy, why are there so many differences in opinions? Thanks.
 
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Hi. If the deen has been made easy, why are there so many differences in opinions? Thanks.

Salaam

I take it you talking about the sunni,shia division, well I'm not qualified to give a full answer but it comes done to people taking the advice of diffrent imams, anways this goes against forum rules so i'll leave it at here.
 
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renak said:
However, did you ever stop to think what your life would REALLY be like if you obeyed ALL the rules and regulations mentioned in the bible, torrah, or koran?
How? Give some specific examples? For example, why is there all the fuss over pig meat? I don't eat pig meat and I never felt the need to eat pig meat... meat from other animals fulfill my requirement.
 
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How? Give some specific examples?QUOTE]

These are quotes that bother me. Since they are in the Quran, should we follow them?

Surah 4:43 - A man may punish his wife by beating her

Surah 5:51 - Muslim must not take a Jew or a a Christian for a friend
Surah 5:38 - Stealing is punished by the amputation of the hands

Surah 5:33 - Resisting Islam is punished by death, crucifixion or the cutting off of the hands and feet

Surah 24:2 - Adultery is punished by public flogging
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Some bible quotes that most christians don't follow....

Leviticus 20:9
If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.

20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.
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Of course I could post many more quotes from the Quran and Bible. This is why I am asserting that Muslims and Christians follow only part of the rules in their holy books.
 
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Surah 4:43 - A man may punish his wife by beating her
That's mistranslation and furthermore, it is not an obligatory issue from the pov of Quran.

Surah 5:51 - Muslim must not take a Jew or a a Christian for a friend
Another mistranslation.

Surah 5:38 - Stealing is punished by the amputation of the hands
That depends on the situation and context... in general it is not compulsory.

Surah 5:33 - Resisting Islam is punished by death, crucifixion or the cutting off of the hands and feet
Another mistranlsation and taken out of context.

Surah 24:2 - Adultery is punished by public flogging
I didn't check translation and context, but why adultery should be acceptable in the first place? Which one is worse: discouraging through flogging or killing millions of unwanted babies every year through abortion?
 
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Greetings,
I didn't check translation and context, but why adultery should be acceptable in the first place? Which one is worse: discouraging through flogging or killing millions of unwanted babies every year through abortion?

Adultery = killing millions of unwanted babies?

I think not.

Peace
 
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I didn't check translation and context, but why adultery should be acceptable in the first place? Which one is worse: discouraging through flogging or killing millions of unwanted babies every year through abortion?

I can see your point about the statement above.

However, quotes wich weren't translated correctly concern me. It makes an english speaking person wonder why they should even consider Islam without first becoming fluent in Arabic....just something for me to think about. Thanks!
 
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