After Saddam, Iraqi women are used as sex objects

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Oh, that is terrible. May he rest in peace. But you were talking about Kashmir before. Please don't lump all of these conflicts together. That leads to hasty and very erroneous generalizations. Thanks
 
Twelve-year old Mohammed al-Durrah died in his father’s arms by the brtual soldiers of US/UK on Saturday. The boy and his father became trapped against a wall as bullets rained down on them. Mohammed crouched weeping and his father tried in vain to shield his child with his arms while pleading with the soldiers not to shoot. “My child! My child!” His pleas fell on deaf ears. Mohammed died. His father survived however critically wounded by five bullets. An ambulance driver, Bassam al-Bilbeisi, doing his duty to humanity as a medical professional, was also killed senselessly as he tried to retrieve them.

Actually twelve year old Muhammed al-Durrah died when Israeli soldiers shot at a group of protestors. No British or American soldiers were involved.

Is it permissible in Islam to deliberately lie?
 
Actually twelve year old Muhammed al-Durrah died when Israeli soldiers shot at a group of protestors. No British or American soldiers were involved.
HeiGou: I figured that it had nothing to do with UK/USA forces, as do most of the accusations on these forum. I just get really tired of fact checking every claim made... A Libel lawyer could make a great living by following most threads on this site.
Hammad: PLEASE BE CAREFUL OF WHAT YOU POST... we are talking about human lives here, the least you can do is honor the truth and get the facts straight.

Is it permissible in Islam to deliberately lie?
Maybe. Look up "taqqiyah".
 
HeiGou: I figured that it had nothing to do with UK/USA forces, as do most of the accusations on these forum. I just get really tired of fact checking every claim made... A Libel lawyer could make a great living by following most threads on this site.
Hammad: PLEASE BE CAREFUL OF WHAT YOU POST... we are talking about human lives here, the least you can do is honor the truth and get the facts straight.


Maybe. Look up "taqqiyah".

You PLEASE BE CAREFUL AT WHAT YOU ARE POSTING!

yes indeed look up taqqiyah BEFORE passing such judgment that muslims lie in such circumstances! Taqqiyah in what you are saying is not lying!

DO NOT STATE THAT WHICH YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!
 
Who passed judgement??? I said "maybe". Can't you read???


I have looked it up and I don't like what I found! Is that your best defense of this practise???

You dont like what you found!??? pft!

for god sake man you dont even read past one sentence and you have passed your glorified judgment!?

you dont like what you found!?

you mean you dont UNDERSTAND what you found!

and that lead you to MAKE UP the answer to what you found...

nice to see the way you make an analysis of things....

kinnda explains the way you are...
 
Rou
You dont like what you found!??? pft!

for god sake man you dont even read past one sentence and you have passed your glorified judgment!?

you dont like what you found!?

you mean you dont UNDERSTAND what you found!

and that lead you to MAKE UP the answer to what you found...

nice to see the way you make an analysis of things....

kinnda explains the way you are...

Excellent dialogue, Rou. I am glad you took the time to explain things to me and not rush to conclusions about my thoughts.
Jolly good on you mate,
Yours,
Knut
 
Rou


Excellent dialogue, Rou. I am glad you took the time to explain things to me and not rush to conclusions about my thoughts.
Jolly good on you mate,
Yours,
Knut

Knut you come out with your dialogue then you come talking to me!???

you found something you dont understand and automaticly didnt like it!?

you dont even understand it how can you not like it!?

who is rushing to conclusions? me or you!?

wake up mate you obviously dont know anything about what you talk about!
 
Oh, that is terrible. May he rest in peace. But you were talking about Kashmir before. Please don't lump all of these conflicts together. That leads to hasty and very erroneous generalizations. Thanks
Actually watch the footage, Iv'e seen it. Take particular care to pay attention to the wall behind them. The Pals shot him.
 
Even Osama bin laden hated Saddam
Umm no.

ABC News reveals:

"March 22, 2006 — Following are the ABC News Investigative Unit's summaries of five documents from Saddam Hussein's government, which have been released by the U.S. government.

The documents discuss Osama bin Laden, weapons of mass destruction, al Qaeda and more.

The full documents can be found on the U.S. Army Foreign Military Studies Office Web site: http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm.

Note: Document titles were added by ABC News.

"Osama Bin Laden Contact With Iraq"

A newly released pre-war Iraqi document indicates that an official representative of Saddam Hussein's government met with Osama bin Laden in Sudan on February 19, 1995 after approval by Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden asked that Iraq broadcast the lectures of Suleiman al Ouda, a radical Saudi preacher, and suggested "carrying out joint operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia. According to the document, Saddam's presidency was informed of the details of the meeting on March 4, 1995 and Saddam agreed to dedicate a program for them on the radio. The document states that further "development of the relationship and cooperation between the two parties to be left according to what's open (in the future) based on dialogue and agreement on other ways of cooperation." The Sudanese were informed about the agreement to dedicate the program on the radio.

The report then states that "Saudi opposition figure" bin Laden had to leave Sudan in July 1996 after it was accused of harboring terrorists. It says information indicated he was in Afghanistan. "The relationship with him is still through the Sudanese. We're currently working on activating this relationship through a new channel in light of his current location," it states.

(Editor's Note: This document is handwritten and has no official seal. Although contacts between bin Laden and the Iraqis have been reported in the 9/11 Commission report and elsewhere, (e.g. the 9/11 report states "Bin Ladn himself met with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in late 1994 or early 1995) this document indicates the contacts were approved personally by Saddam Hussein.

It also indicates the discussions were substantive, in particular that bin Laden was proposing an operational relationship, and that the Iraqis were, at a minimum, interested in exploring a potential relationship and prepared to show good faith by broadcasting the speeches of al Ouda, the radical cleric who was also a bin Laden mentor.

The document does not establish that the two parties did in fact enter into an operational relationship. Given that the document claims bin Laden was proposing to the Iraqis that they conduct "joint operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia, it is interesting to note that eight months after the meeting — on November 13, 1995 — terrorists attacked Saudi National Guard Headquarters in Riyadh, killing 5 U.S. military advisors. The militants later confessed on Saudi TV to having been trained by Osama bin Laden.)

"Osama bin Laden and the Taliban"

Document dated Sept. 15, 2001

An Iraqi intelligence service document saying that their Afghani informant, who's only identified by a number, told them that the Afghani Consul Ahmed Dahastani claimed the following in front of him:
That OBL and the Taliban are in contact with Iraq and that a group of Taliban and bin Laden group members visited Iraq.


That the U.S. has proof the Iraqi government and "bin Laden's group" agreed to cooperate to attack targets inside America.

That in case the Taliban and bin Laden's group turn out to be involved in "these destructive operations," the U.S. may strike Iraq and Afghanistan.

That the Afghani consul heard about the issue of Iraq's relationship with "bin Laden's group" while he was in Iran.

At the end, the writer recommends informing "the committee of intentions" about the above-mentioned items. The signature on the document is unclear.

(Editor's Note: The controversial claim that Osama bin Laden was cooperating with Saddam Hussein is an ongoing matter of intense debate. While the assertions contained in this document clearly support the claim, the sourcing is questionable — i.e. an unnamed Afghan "informant" reporting on a conversation with another Afghan "consul." The date of the document — four days after 9/11 — is worth noting but without further corroboration, this document is of limited evidentiary value.)

"Election Campaign Laws in France"

Documents dated July-August 1999

Correspondence regarding election campaigns in France. This includes a document from the Iraqi intelligence service classified as "secret," ordering the translation of important parts of a 1997 report about campaign financing laws in France. It also includes a document from the foreign minister's office indicating the report was attached. The attached translated report included very detailed information about all the regulations regarding financing of election campaigns in France. Translation was done by someone called "Salam Abdul Karim Mohammed."

(Editor's Note: This is an intriguing document which suggests Saddam Hussein's regime had a strong interest in the mechanics and legalities of financial contributions to French politicians. Several former French politicians are implicated in receiving oil vouchers from Iraq under the U.N. Oil for Food program.)


Document dated March 23, 1997

A letter from the Iraqi intelligence service to directors and managers advising them to follow certain procedures in case of a search by the U.N. team, including:

Removing correspondence with the atomic energy and military industry departments concerning the prohibited weapons (proposals, research, studies, catalogs, etc.).

Removing prohibited materials and equipment, including documents and catalogs and making sure to clear labs and storages of any traces of chemical or biological materials that were previously used or stored.
Doing so through a committee which will decide whether to destroy the documents.

Removing files from computers.

The letter also advises them on how they should answer questions by U.N. team members. It says the intelligence service should be informed within one week about the progress made in discarding the documents.
(Editor's Note: This document is consistent with the Report of the Special Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence, which described a pattern of deception and concealment on the part of Saddam Hussein's government towards the U.N. inspectors in the mid to late 90's. Hussein halted all cooperation with those inspectors and expelled them in October 1998.)

"Al Qaeda Presence in Iraq"

Document dated August 2002

A number of correspondences to check rumors that some members of al Qaeda organization have entered Iraq. Three letters say this information cannot be confirmed. The letter on page seven, however, says that information coming from "a trustworthy source" indicates that subjects who are interested in dealing with al Qaeda are in Iraq and have several passports.

The letter seems to be coming from or going to Trebil, a town on the Iraqi-Jordanian border. Follow up on the presence of those subjects is ordered, as well as comparison of their pictures with those of Jordanian subjects living in Iraq. (This may be referring to pictures of Abu Musaab al Zarqawi and another man on pages 4-6) The letter also says tourist areas, including hotels and rented apartments, should be searched.

(Editor's note: This document indicates that the Iraqis were aware of and interested in reports that members of al Qaeda were present in Iraq in 2002. The document does not support allegations that Iraq was colluding with al Qaeda.)
 
Ummmmmm Yes Because One Time in A Masjit that a friend of mine was attending OBL Spoke out against Saddam after this whole situation and deals with Saddam. Umm If you used Your logic Bin laden main goal is to disband any Western Influence in Muslim Nations. So Umm Im not first of All Going to believe the Commission reports considering they also say when the buildings hit the towers the Fire was so extreme and yet you seen one of the hijackers passports on the ground i mean seriously whats going on here?
 
Ummmmmm Yes Because One Time in A Masjit that a friend of mine was attending OBL Spoke out against Saddam after this whole situation and deals with Saddam. Umm If you used Your logic Bin laden main goal is to disband any Western Influence in Muslim Nations. So Umm Im not first of All Going to believe the Commission reports considering they also say when the buildings hit the towers the Fire was so extreme and yet you seen one of the hijackers passports on the ground i mean seriously whats going on here?
:rollseyes
 
:rollseyes

Is this your answer??

pathetic....

To mahdisoldier19 -

brother these are nothing but children god knows how much time isbeing wasted here to them it is but a game!

they have no real answers....

they have watched the news and are stirred up.
 
Ah what can i do im not going to present them with a nice you know Presentation. It doesnt get nowhere, i have to mix it with hardcore truth so they keep quiet.
 
I am Presenting my Position, You dont know my tolerance level or Kindness and Angry. I did Present so many times, but i guess you cant read very well which is fine Akhi. Its no problem with me.
 
It seems that your position is "if you are not from afghanistan, don't talk about it". That can't lead to much discussion, can it?
 
What does afghanistan have to do with this j/c? And Yes if your not from Afghanistan dont talk about how it should be runned and its laws.
 

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