Heaven

[Nicola]

In the Bible Jesus tells us of heaven being a place where there is no marriage..no food and no drink...but peace joy and righteousness.

Luke 20:34-36
"Jesus answered and said to them, 'The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."

Romans 14:17
The kingdom of God is not food or drink, but righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."

Revelation 21:3-4
"And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, 'Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."

What is the Islamic view point of heaven?

 

[Anonymous.92]

We believe in marriage, food, drink etc in Heaven.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

we believe all couples may see there partners in heaven if they are deserving and there will be no jelousy no evil intent or feeling... jus pure peace and many other things which us humans cannot possible imagine

PEACCCEE

 

[Muhammad]

Greetings Nicola,

Thank you for your question. Some of what you have described is similar to the Islamic viewpoint: that there shall be no more sorrow or pain, and that people shall live in joy and righteousness. However, we also believe that there will be marriage and also food and drink.

56:15 (They will be) on Thrones encrusted (with gold and precious stones),
56:16 Reclining on them, facing each other.
56:17 Round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness),
56:18 With goblets, (shining) beakers, and cups (filled) out of clear-flowing fountains:
56:19 No after-ache will they receive therefrom, nor will they suffer intoxication:
56:20 And with fruits, any that they may select:
56:21 And the flesh of fowls, any that they may desire.
56:22 And (there will be) Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes,-
56:23 Like unto Pearls well-guarded.
56:24 A Reward for the deeds of their past (life).
56:25 Not frivolity will they hear therein, nor any taint of ill,-
56:26 Only the saying, "Peace! Peace".

[44.51] Surely those who guard (against evil) are in a secure place,
[44.52] In gardens and springs;
[44.53] They shall wear of fine and thick silk, (sitting) face to face;
[44.54] Thus (shall it be), and We will wed them with Houris pure, beautiful ones.
[44.55] They shall call therein for every fruit in security;
[44.56] They shall not taste therein death except the first death, and He will save them from the punishment of the hell,
[44.57] A grace from your Lord; this is the great achievement.

47:15 (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord...

15:47 And We shall remove from their hearts any lurking sense of injury: (they will be) brothers (joyfully) facing each other on thrones (of dignity).
15:48 There no sense of fatigue shall touch them, nor shall they (ever) be asked to leave.

Both Paradise and Hell have been described extensivley and many times in the Qur'an. In addition to this, there are Prophetic teachings which further explain and support these descriptions and give us more insight into them.

If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask!

Peace.

 

[PrIM3]

are you there to just be served?

 

[Nicola]

Greetings Nicola,

Thank you for your question. Some of what you have described is similar to the Islamic viewpoint: that there shall be no more sorrow or pain, and that people shall live in joy and righteousness. However, we also believe that there will be marriage and also food and drink.P

A marriage is mentioned but that is the marriage between Jesus Christ and his Church(Christians)...not any kind of human marriage, but a partnership. I was also wondering does it tell you that God will make a new earth for us to dwell on?

56:24 A Reward for the deeds of their past (life).

We understand also there will be rewards for the works that Christians have done (helping other people)

[44.56] They shall not taste therein death except the first death, and He will save them from the punishment of the hell,

We believe the Christians who are raptured up before the Great Tribulation will not taste a first death at all.

47:15 (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord...

We understand that we have no need for drink or food..I can't understand the need for rivers of wine.. and also does it say in the Quran...if God and the angles eat food?

Both Paradise and Hell have been described extensivley and many times in the Qur'an. In addition to this, there are Prophetic teachings which further explain and support these descriptions and give us more insight into them.

If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask!

Thanks

What Chrsitians understand about hell is...that because God is such a Just and Rightous God...he does not let souls continually burn in hell or be tortoured etc...but the souls of non Christians will just not exist anymore...that will be their second death...which we are told about.

 

[Al-Mu'min]

Peace.

Whats to enjoy if there is no physical pleasures like eating good food, drinking well and having intimate relationships with your partner? If you want only peace, we have that here on earth. Just go to some mountain side where no one will bother you. Besides how don't you think we will far less on earth if the reward is only peace, joy and righteousness? Yes these are important, but where are the relationships with friends, family as well as fellow believers you will meet there? The prophets, angels and the biggest reward is seeing the Almighty Himself.

By the way Nicola God doesn't eat nor does He sleep.

Peace.

 

[Nicola]

Peace.

Whats to enjoy if there is no physical pleasures like eating good food, drinking well and having intimate relationships with your partner? If you want only peace, we have that here on earth. Just go to some mountain side where no one will bother you. Besides how don't you think we will far less on earth if the reward is only peace, joy and righteousness? Yes these are important, but where are the relationships with friends, family as well as fellow believers you will meet there? The prophets, angels and the biggest reward is seeing the Almighty Himself.

By the way Nicola God doesn't eat nor does He sleep.


Peace.

Jesus was asked by the religious leaders..if you are married twice etc...which wife would you be with and Jesus explained there will be no marriage in heaven. For born again Christians we are the bride of Christ.
We will no longer desire sexualy pleasures of the flesh..
Our pleasure will be to serve and worship God alone, not each other and ourselves.

In the Quran who does it say will prepare, grow, cook... etc this food for you.
It sounds like it's going to be just the same as here.

If God needs no food why would our spirits in heaven need food, The only reasons we eat food now to keep us alive to grow etc...In heaven we believe we will have no need for food. Food and drink are pleasures of the flesh not spirit.

Sounds like a very different heaven, well new earth

 

[Ghazi]

Jesus was asked by the religious leaders..if you are married twice etc...which wife would you be with and Jesus explained there will be no marriage in heaven. For born again Christians we are the bride of Christ.
We will no longer desire sexualy pleasures of the flesh..
Our pleasure will be to serve and worship God alone, not each other and ourselves.

In the Quran who does it say will prepare, grow, cook... etc this food for you.
It sounds like it's going to be just the same as here.

If God needs no food why would our spirits in heaven need food, The only reasons we eat food now to keep us alive to grow etc...In heaven we believe we will have no need for food. Food and drink are pleasures of the flesh not spirit.

Sounds like a very different heaven, well new earth

Salaam

For pleasure, for example need food to survive but also we eat food for pleasure, the same with sex and drink.

 

[Nicola]

Salaam

For pleasure, for example need food to survive but also we eat food for pleasure, the same with sex and drink.

But we will no longer be human but spirits...spirits have no need to eat and they survive.
they just exist.

sex, food and drink are pleasures of the flesh...
It is the flesh that causes sin..

Jer 17:5 Thus says the LORD: "Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the LORD.

Joh 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no avail. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

 

[E'jaazi]

The foods and drink in Paradise are not the same as here on earth. They will not have to be prepared for us. Their flavor is something far better than this world and something we cannot comprehend. Sex is also something that is different in Paradise. So you can't think about it in terms of flesh as mentioned in the Bible. If you would like, I will find you a more definitive explanation on the subject.

 

[sumay28]

There is food and drink in heaven. Not that we would need it. It would be for enjoyment.

 

[Al-Mu'min]

Jesus was asked by the religious leaders..if you are married twice etc...which wife would you be with and Jesus explained there will be no marriage in heaven. For born again Christians we are the bride of Christ.
We will no longer desire sexualy pleasures of the flesh..
Our pleasure will be to serve and worship God alone, not each other and ourselves.

In the Quran who does it say will prepare, grow, cook... etc this food for you.
It sounds like it's going to be just the same as here.

If God needs no food why would our spirits in heaven need food, The only reasons we eat food now to keep us alive to grow etc...In heaven we believe we will have no need for food. Food and drink are pleasures of the flesh not spirit.

Sounds like a very different heaven, well new earth

Peace Nicola,
Thanks for asking.

We will no longer desire sexualy pleasures of the flesh
In Islam, the after life is a physical one. You do believe you will be resurrected, don't you? We'll isn't what is resurrected, your physical body? Won't your body be re-united once again with your soul? Your soul will be judged but your body will have the same physical appearance,needs, and feelings.

Our pleasure will be to serve and worship God alone, not each other and ourselves.
That's our job here on earth (sounds like your heaven is another earth..).
Yes we will praise Him in the hereafter, but that life is mainly about rewards and having a closer relationship with our lord.


In the Quran who does it say will prepare, grow, cook... etc this food for you.It sounds like it's going to be just the same as here.

I read in some Islamic book talking about heaven, and it stated somewhere that whatever food you imagine will just automatically come to you. It will serve itself. Makes you wanna cry tears of joy doesn't it?;D
I Hope the brothers in here help me in giving the source of this saying.

If God needs no food why would our spirits in heaven need food The only reasons we eat food now to keep us alive to grow etc...In heaven we believe we will have no need for food
We are not God. As I mentioned above, in Islam we believe in a physical after-life. Physical growth however, is not experienced. If i'm not mistaken we will all be the same age. The food is however for enjoyment not for growth. Don't you pay a lot in a fancy restaurant, to enjoy thier food?

...In heaven we believe we will have no need for food. Food and drink are pleasures of the flesh not spirit.

Why can't we have both? We experience both here on earth. We experience pleasures of food and drink when eating and pleasures of spirit when we pray to our Lord or read His words.
If the after life is a better place, don't you think God will make it far better in comparison to this life?

 

[Al-Mu'min]

But we will no longer be human but spirits...spirits have no need to eat and they survive.
they just exist.

sex, food and drink are pleasures of the flesh...
It is the flesh that causes sin..

The flesh is also what God created. It's purpose is for us to enjoy it lawfully(in marriage) and to procreate.

 

[Muslim Knight]

Must be boring for a Christian to live in Paradise doing nothing. Can't even eat food to enjoy.

 

[Nicola]

In Islam, the after life is a physical one. You do believe you will be resurrected, don't you? We'll isn't what is resurrected, your physical body? Won't your body be re-united once again with your soul? Your soul will be judged but your body will have the same physical appearance,needs, and feelings.

In Christianity we believe in no physical body, only a spiritual one and spiritual nature so we will have no physical needs at all...I believe in the resurrection yes but not in the way Islam understands it to mean.

Our pleasure will be to serve and worship God alone, not each other and ourselves.
That's our job here on earth (sounds like your heaven is another earth..).
Yes we will praise Him in the hereafter, but that life is mainly about rewards and having a closer relationship with our lord.

That would so right if all people would worship him on earth, Because people have sins (flesh).. no one will enter the new earth with sins.

Why can't we have both? We experience both here on earth. We experience pleasures of food and drink when eating and pleasures of spirit when we pray to our Lord or read His words.
If the after life is a better place, don't you think God will make it far better in comparison to this life?

You are thinking in gains rewards of physical things etc..and not spiritual gains..
Chrsitians do not believe in any kind of physical reward at all ...in heaven, for there will be no need..


Of course it will be much better than here..

Islam believes in a physical life still in the hereafter.. where everything a human needs will be the same...Christianity believes in a Spiritual life with now need for earthly desires.

Rom 8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

This is Gods will that we as born again Christians will conformed to the image of Christ..

Romans 12:1 Therefore I exhort you, brothers and sisters, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a sacrifice—alive, holy, and pleasing to God—which is your reasonable service. 12:2 Do not be conformed to this present world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may test and approve what is the will of God—what is good and well-pleasing and perfect.

We are to fall away from the pleasures of this world..and it is impossible to do without the guideness and leading of the Holy Spirit indwelling inside you.

Galatians 5:17 For the flesh has desires that are opposed to the Spirit, and the Spirit has desires that are opposed to the flesh, for these are in opposition (ajntivkeitai) to each other, so that you cannot do what you want.

Romans 8:13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

very different heavens

 

[Ghazi]

Salaam

Man all this talk of janna is getting to me, I just looked outside and it's some crap weather.

 

[Khattab]

^ isnt there a limit to just how happy a person can be??

Well what I think the brother meant was that for example if you eat an apple in Jannah it will not taste the same as it was the day before, as everything in Jannah keeps improving.

With regards to the initial post from Nicola, the paradise that we are told of in Islam caters to both the pyhsical and spiritual needs. The physical needs being the enjoyment of food, of a partner, friends or any past time that a person may enjoy for example football, films, reading etc.

Then there is the spiritual needs of the human being which is catered for in paradise, and that comes through seeing ones creator. For some this will happen twice a day and for the rest this will take place on Fridays. This will be the greatest of all delights in the Jannah.

We are all human beings and have two sides too us the physical needs and wants, and the spiritual needs and wants (the soul) and in Jannah both of these have been covered by Allah (SWT). Everyday will be better than the last.

Peace

 

[Ghazi]

Salaam

Can I ask will the shaheed's be seeing allah everyday.

 

[Khattab]

In Christianity we believe in no physical body, only a spiritual one and spiritual nature so we will have no physical needs at all...I believe in the resurrection yes but not in the way Islam understands it to mean.

Hi Nicola,

Can you explain to me why according to Christianity God created humans with a physical body if it is just about the soul?

Peace