well I am not God you can't compare me to God. even if I write words down I cannot say that they are alive.. like God's words are.. God created the universe through His Word (Jesus Christ) but if God never spoke then the universe would have never been.. Jesus Christ is the Word of God who is alive.
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well I am not God you can't compare me to God. even if I write words down I cannot say that they are alive.. like God's words are.. God created the universe through His Word (Jesus Christ) but if God never spoke then the universe would have never been.. Jesus Christ is the Word of God who is alive.
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What was totally wrong here? God is asking Jesus whether he did or not ask men to worship him and his mother. He answered that he did not, and futhermore he praised God for having known it all along.
It's like me asking you, "Have you stolen my chocolate this morning?" To which, if you really didn't, you would have answered so. The verse is not wrong.
Greetings and peace jinaan and hasan and welcome to the forum,
Thank you both for your kind response.
Just to carry on from my last post, I would also like to say that I admire the way many Muslims adhere to fasting.
In the spirit of seeking a greater interfaith understanding
Eric
Thank you both for your kind response.
I can not prove to you that God exists, which leaves me with the greater problem of proving the Bible is the word of God.
Just to carry on from my last post, I would also like to say that I admire the way many Muslims adhere to fasting.
In the spirit of seeking a greater interfaith understanding
Eric
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Wikipedia seems to have a nice article on how Islam understands Jesus as mentioned in the Quran. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa
I am pretty sure the majority of Christians would never realize that muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet and not as god.
I think i have read somewhere in the Quran that it is our duty to convey the truth regarding Jesus to christians, and show them to the right path.
I don't really think that many Christians will take a deep breath and contemplate for themselves, "hey, i think i was wrong after all.." if we (muslims) keep offensing the christians by attacking their opinions with emotional debates. I am always wondering on how did the early islamic scholars and traders from India, China, and the Middle East was able to convert the majority of Indonesian population who were Hindu and Budha centuries ago. I suppose they used a cultural approach, for there was no war involved in the process. I also assume they demonstrated a high quality of islamic akhlaq (attitude). Boy am i so grateful to be born as a muslim, although i am now living 'down under' where islam is still in a bit of a trouble...
I believe at the time being, mutual respect and more understanding between muslims and christians is much more important than debating who is right or wrong. Because as we speak now, islam is being feared more than ever before, mostly in christian societies, where they believe that islam is the religion of war, of woman repression, and of uncivilised government... This distorted image of islam must be fixed and corrected... especially by act of good attitude and demonstration of great achievements in peace, humanity, economy, and science, instead of debates and unproved words...
I am pretty sure the majority of Christians would never realize that muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet and not as god.
I think i have read somewhere in the Quran that it is our duty to convey the truth regarding Jesus to christians, and show them to the right path.
I don't really think that many Christians will take a deep breath and contemplate for themselves, "hey, i think i was wrong after all.." if we (muslims) keep offensing the christians by attacking their opinions with emotional debates. I am always wondering on how did the early islamic scholars and traders from India, China, and the Middle East was able to convert the majority of Indonesian population who were Hindu and Budha centuries ago. I suppose they used a cultural approach, for there was no war involved in the process. I also assume they demonstrated a high quality of islamic akhlaq (attitude). Boy am i so grateful to be born as a muslim, although i am now living 'down under' where islam is still in a bit of a trouble...
I believe at the time being, mutual respect and more understanding between muslims and christians is much more important than debating who is right or wrong. Because as we speak now, islam is being feared more than ever before, mostly in christian societies, where they believe that islam is the religion of war, of woman repression, and of uncivilised government... This distorted image of islam must be fixed and corrected... especially by act of good attitude and demonstration of great achievements in peace, humanity, economy, and science, instead of debates and unproved words...
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I believe many people do not know Christians also fast...
But because of how Jesus told his believers to fast...the secular world does not see this, has it should be, it is hidden...for that is how God wants us to fast.
In secret so no one else knows.
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I was not comparing you to God (God forid).
Now see you said it yourself, If God never spoke (his word) the world would never came to be. If God never spoke his word (i.e. Be!) Jesus would never come to be.
Now we both agree that Jesus came to be, from an egg, although without a father's intervention, he was given birth by Mary, like any mother give birth. If God never uttered his word, Jesus would of never came to be!
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There are many millions of people all over the world who love the Muslim people. But because of 'some' radical Muslims...these few have caused fear into peoples hearts. When you are against something you fear...usually the two options are flight or fight.
I like neither and only by debating, (not arguing) I believe can we understand each other more.
God Bless
Jesus Christ is that Very Word of God
so God was maimed at one point your saying?
I never said the Word came to be because it always was.. even if God's Word never came into flesh He would have still existed....
I think that the previous poster is objecting to the implication of the question. As no Christian I know of has ever said that Jesus said to worship His Mother, to ask the question is to suggest something misleading. It is like being asked when you stopped beating your wife. If I asked you if you had stopped drinking this morning, how would you respond? President Lyndon Johnson once said he was going to spread a rumor that a political opponent had, umm, "pleasured" himself with a pig. His Aide said why would he want to say something that was so obviously untrue, and Johnson said he knew it was untrue, he just wanted to see his opponent deny it. You see how that differs from stealing chocolate?
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That's the whole point. Jesus never asked anyone to worship his mother. Yet there are statues of Mary and that Christians have been telling us Mary is the Mother of God. God is asking Jesus, did he ask them to worship which he explicitly denied.
Well, God is not President Lyndon Johnson. If you asked me if I had stopped drinking this morning, I would respond saying that I have never been drinking (alchohol) before. It's easy as that.
He simply asked Jesus, "Did you asked people to worship you and your mother?" to which the latter replied negative. It's a question to the Christians that Jesus never asked people to worship him and his mother, then why should people worship him as God or put up statues of Mary and saying that she is the Mother of God.
Of course it is.
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Why would God need to ask Jesus anything?...
Jesus praised God?...little point in the question then wasn't it?
Could you then explain what is the point in this scripture?
You would need to ask me if I had taken your chocolate...because you are not all-knowing, your human...
But if you where all-knowing..I would wonder to myself, why you had wasted your time and mine asking me in the first place.
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When these statues of Mary built? in the time of Mohammed?
Why do you believe the Religious Jewish Leaders wanted Jesus dead?
Why do you think Jesus tells us he is the only way to get to the Father?
Except no one thinks Mary is a God. "And behold! God will say: O Jesus the son of Mary didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah? He (Jesus) will say: Glory to thee, never could I say what I had no right (to say)". Surah 5:116. Now there may be some Christian offshoot I do not know of, just as apparently there was a Jewish one that worshipped Ezra as the Son of God, but if you say that Christians worship Mary as a God they may get offended.
So we are back to the point which is some Christian guy probably got offended at the implication of that passage which seems to suggest Christians do something they would regard as blasphemy.
And you would not be offended at the implication that you drank?
But putting up statues and saying she is the Mother of God is not the same as saying she is God. Christians do not say that and might reasonably get offended if you said they did. Now this passage may refer to some small Christian heresy no one has ever heard of, but it does not refer to anything that normal Christians do.
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Hi
Some Christians, (I think from the Catholic sect) worship Mary and ask her for blessings and praise her. On the Day of Judgement, God will say the contents of that verse to Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) to show the error of those people who raised Mary to that status.
Peace.
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But many Christians do act towards Mary in a manner that Muslims would consider worship. On the verse:
http://www.islamicboard.com/showpost.php?p=241429&postcount=9
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It also happens to be against forum rules if anyone bothered to check:can I make a small request to everyone?
Please can we stop quoting long posts?
Becuase it looks very untidy..thanks
17.When a long article/post has been posted, and you want to comment on the article/post, do not quote it since it is a waste of space.
JazakumAllahu khayran for the reminder, br. Akulion
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I would be at least be annoyed but God and I alone knows the truth. If people say I was drinking they would have to bring proof. If there is proof then it is. If not, then not. What I feel then is what I have to overcome myself.
Saying Mary is the Mother of God generally implies that she is greater since she gives birth to a god. And the amount of reverence given to her indicates so.