how christian women view muslim women

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By the way, it is true that we use your technology.
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You are Bosnian which is European, which makes it your "west", too. Your own technology! I've been to Sarajevo, so don't give me this united ummah "we" v."them" garbage.

The Christians in my home country used the same technology for ethnical cleansing when they threw us out of our homes for being Muslims.
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And they are evil scum and should burn just like the muslims who committed atrocities during the war. I am not big on double standards.

I should be more grateful.
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That would be a nice start. And don't be a joker pulling the "poor muslim" card. You are Bosnian. Not Yemeni.
The people in Chechnya to, where your technology is being used for experiments on the Chechen population.
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Yup. Blame the gun-smith for the armed robbery. Good logic you display. And how stupid does an area as small as Chechnya have to be to cop the heroic role and wage war with Russia. You can't tell me that makes alot of sense, whatever evil means the Russians use.

All of the Muslims, in fact, should be more grateful. Why are there some that aren't? Beats me.
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Yes. It still puzzles me, too, Euroboy.
 
renak said:
Research rape. It is not an act of sex. Rape is an act of violence.
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Not just violence but a means to achieve pleasure using violence.

According to the Hite Report on US men, between seven and 11 per cent regularly fantasise about rape and one in two admit they have sometimes wanted to rape a woman.

Rape is the ‘pleasure’ of violence, but it is also a means for man to use a woman without having to give her anything in return, as he does in marriage or with a prostitute. It enables him to satisfy his needs without giving up any of his power. In fact it is the very expression of that power. In that sense rape is the archetype of masculine sexuality: when man desires, woman is not to desire or refuse. She must only acquiesce.

So rape is a violent way to achieve pleasure. It enables a man to satisfy his needs without giving up any of his power for his own pleasure. Therefore it is an act of sex.
 
Muslimah_Sis said:
Not just violence but a means to achieve pleasure using violence.

According to the Hite Report on US men, between seven and 11 per cent regularly fantasise about rape and one in two admit they have sometimes wanted to rape a woman.

Rape is the ‘pleasure’ of violence, but it is also a means for man to use a woman without having to give her anything in return, as he does in marriage or with a prostitute. It enables him to satisfy his needs without giving up any of his power. In fact it is the very expression of that power. In that sense rape is the archetype of masculine sexuality: when man desires, woman is not to desire or refuse. She must only acquiesce.

So rape is a violent way to achieve pleasure. It enables a man to satisfy his needs without giving up any of his power for his own pleasure. Therefore it is an act of sex.
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In some cases it may be used to achieve pleasure, I would lean more toward date rape perhaps (???). The majority of information you will find will clearly state that rape is an act of violence, not sex. This is why rape during war is very common. Also, it is very common for the rapist to not ejaculate during the attack.

http://www.endallthepain.com/Rape.html
http://www.stopfamilyviolence.org/ocean/host.php?page=0
http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/jhamlin/3925/myths.html
 
Why any women would want to display her body to the public, I don’t understand?! Suppose you have a very valuable necklace made of natural diamond or a precious jewel, you would be keen to keep it safe, at the same admire, and be fond of it. You would not go and put it freely within the hands of other people or to misallocate in such a way that it can be liable to the risks of theft and loss or alternatively to keep, fear on and conserve it in a safe place where nobody’s hand can be able to reach to or even be viewed to by whatsoever eyes. Why not liken your body to this and keep it your own business? Everyone around you knows that you posse a precious jewel, however, they cannot see or predict its shape or colour.
 
Al-Mu'minah said:
Why any women would want to display her body to the public, I don’t understand?! Suppose you have a very valuable necklace made of natural diamond or a precious jewel, you would be keen to keep it safe, at the same admire, and be fond of it. You would not go and put it freely within the hands of other people or to misallocate in such a way that it can be liable to the risks of theft and loss or alternatively to keep, fear on and conserve it in a safe place where nobody’s hand can be able to reach to or even be viewed to by whatsoever eyes. Why not liken your body to this and keep it your own business? Everyone around you knows that you posse a precious jewel, however, they cannot see or predict its shape or colour.
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If I had a precious jewel, I would proudly dangle it around my neck for all the world to see. I don't believe in keeping nice possessions stuffed away in a closet.
 
renak said:
If I had a precious jewel, I would proudly dangle it around my neck for all the world to see. I don't believe in keeping nice possessions stuffed away in a closet.
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In this sort of society i doubt it!

So in distinction you would flash your body to society. I would consider that as a bad conduct which degrades women prestige, honour and puts down her standards, thus making her a very cheap commodity for callers of evil and a target for eyes of evil.
 
renak said:
If I had a precious jewel, I would proudly dangle it around my neck for all the world to see. I don't believe in keeping nice possessions stuffed away in a closet.
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God has already bestowed the best upon you wen he created you, and he created it to be shown to certain people. You dont want random strangers drooling over you im sure, in this respect islam teaches to beautify only for the right people ;)

:peace:
 
Al-Mu'minah said:
In this sort of society i doubt it!

So in distinction you would flash your body to society. I would consider that as a bad conduct which degrades women prestige, honour and puts down her standards, thus making her a very cheap commodity for callers of evil and a target for eyes of evil.
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If you read my prior posts on this thread you may understand my position. I am comfortable with my body and do not feel that God created us as dirty individuals.
 
renak said:
If you read my prior posts on this thread you may understand my position. I am comfortable with my body and do not feel that God created us as dirty individuals.
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no sis, he didnt create you as dirty individuals, he created every1 in a beautiful manner. But lets not let the carnal lusts of some misguided individuals fall upon us eh :)
 
Abd'Majid said:
no sis, he didnt create you as dirty individuals, he created every1 in a beautiful manner. But lets not let the carnal lusts of some misguided individuals fall upon us eh :)
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I can handle the carnal lust of these individuals. I think that the emphasis needs to be on these individuals dealing with their own lusts. It's their problem, and it there is no need to make it mine! :okay:
 
Muslimah_Sis said:
Agreed. But the fact is many women do dress to win appreciation of the opposite sex and therefore send off vibes that they have something to offer. Just as an open window is an invitation to burglars. Likewise when women expose their bodies, men will think they are easy bait. So if women don't want that kind of attention, they have to take some responsility i.e. cover up.
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If I wore a rolex and used a nice mobile phone, do you think that would be an invitation for someone to rob me? Do you think that if I do not want to be robbed, I should avoid that kind of attention and not be "easy bait"? Do you think I should have any sort of responsibility towards not getting robbed? More importantly do you think I am to blame if I am robbed because I did not take enough precautions?

I'm really sorry. I did not intend to insult you but was merely saying that this is what happens. Men will think like that whether women like it or not.
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Some men. And the real question is whether they ought to be encouraged to do so or taught, strongly and firmly, that it is unacceptable. What do you think?
 
renak said:
I can handle the carnal lust of these individuals. I think that the emphasis needs to be on these individuals dealing with their own lusts. It's their problem, and it there is no need to make it mine! :okay:
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lol, but dont u really hate it when they stare at you? Doesnt it make you feel.... you kno :X

well me being a brother always wear loose clothing, i keep a beard, and i get ticked off at any1 who stares haha ;D

:peace: :)
 
Abd'Majid said:
lol, but dont u really hate it when they stare at you? Doesnt it make you feel.... you kno :X

well me being a brother always wear loose clothing, i keep a beard, and i get ticked off at any1 who stares haha ;D

:peace: :)
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There stares do not bother me at all. The stares do not make me feel dirty or slutty. Instead, they make me feel womanly.

Do you get ticked off when women stare at you?
 
If you read my prior posts on this thread you may understand my position. I am comfortable with my body and do not feel that God created us as dirty individuals.
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Yes i heard some of your replies but i could have missed out on most of your post as the thread is getting populated. There are some people in society that are just perverted!



.... I am somewhat of a slave to fashion, and love the positive response I receive from men when I am looking my best. Perhaps men are viewing me in a sexual manner. I believe that it is their weakness which allows themselves to succumb to sexual immorality. If they cannot view me as a woman who is not only comfortable with her sexuality, but also comfortable with her beliefs, then I really have no place for them in my life. It's called taking responsibility for ones actions.

In regards to me being programmed by the media, perhaps I am to an extent. However, I love looking great, and being attractive.
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I was quite surpised by your saying here. Why would you want people (men in general) to view your body. Uncovering strips a woman from anything which is thought to be viewed as a semi-naked person free from reverence, solemnity and appropriate to the biased looks of diseased men, and greedy caprices which inevitably expose the charms and weakness oh her corporality.
 
Aasalamu-Alakium:

To all my Muslims sisters...continue to remain covered! In my eyes & heart, there is nothing more beautiful than a Muslim woman who follows the Quran and Sunna!:Alhumdill
 
Assalamu Alaikum

Subhanallah Ta'ala! Mashallah Ta'ala Sister sheerheart1! Thatw as sos touching! And That was so heart-rendering!

Keepr you Imaan up and keep Allah Ta'ala on your mind alsways and alsways pray to the Almighty for guidance and help in this life.

What you said about girls nowadays it is so true so many of them go by what fashion says and the media.

Assalamu Alaikum
Shakirah
 
vpb said:
i guess one day they will put "prostitution" as a official occupation lol...
world is going crazy.

Peace
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The worlds oldest proffesion already is an official occupation. Makes semse- its gonna happen, there is a market for it and making it legal means it can be regulated and keep the workers safe, and theypay their fair share of taxes.
 
It is a recognition of me being opposite of them
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So the fact that they are getting pleasure at staring your body makes you feel womanly? If your daughter was in a room full of men admiring her body that would not least brother you? A true woman is a woman who pays no heed to going out naked, displaying her charms to anyone who likes thereof. Women have lost their sense of shyness (their womanly nature).
 

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