Peace be with you Abz,
You know that it wasn't an attack but a sincere response to your advice, and that it was not like the abusive and slanderous cartoons, nor a blind attack in the guise of intellectual criticism similar to the comments of pro-zionists who pretend to criticize islam on a subject while being ignorant of / keeping*mum about the very same thing which is in the Bible.
By "attack" I meant your response was polemical. Keep in mind the issue was that you felt the negative spotlight was still good for Islam, and my point was that it's obviously not. I'm not quite sure how Jesus and us "going off the track" falls into this discussion, nor the comments about pro-Zionists above. I'm not sure if this is just your style of writing but you come across very defensive and antagonistic, I'm not you're enemy here (at least I don't see you as an enemy!), we're just two people having a discussion.
Ya tryina tempt me or wot
?
Show me a denarius and see whose inscription is on it first.
No, I'm just asking for your opinion, I'm not quite sure how this would be considered me trying to entrap you. Perhaps you could explain?
First of i can't even pretend to be certain of whether it was another false flag aimed to achieve controversial policies - since even more complicated false flags are well documented - or a sincere effort in order to defend the truth.
If it was a false flag the it was reprehensible and deceitful - an act of cowards unwilling to show their true colours.
If it was a sincere act by people who were enraged at the abuses Muslims have to endure in france and the insults on the sacred honour of God's Messengers and triggered by the bombing of innocents in syria and elsewhere - Then suffice it to be said that i would rejoice at the repentance, and in the absence of repentance - punishment of any who would dare to portray my mother, wife or sister in a lewd fashion, drawing a mocking cartoon of your mother being pushed naked in a wheelchair is like an invitation to get clapped.
And the Messengers of God are dearer to us than our own mothers and fathers.
So you personally feel it was justified from an Islamic point of view. That's all I was asking.
Ummm.... The surveys and stats are there for any who bother to research, along with the news reports and direct testimonies of multiple mosque leaders who described a phenominal increase in the weeks and months after.
Yes, I am aware of the statistics and they don't reinforce your position, which is why I asked what your sources were. Your "sources" are anecdotal and don't constitute actual statistical analysis. Here is some information that is from actual statistical research:
"Statistical data on conversion to and from Islam are scarce. What little information is available suggests that there is no substantial net gain or loss in the number of Muslims through conversion globally; the number of people who become Muslims through conversion seems to be roughly equal to the number of Muslims who leave the faith. As a result, this report does not include any estimated future rate of conversions as a direct factor in the projections of Muslim population growth."
And...
"The Pew Forum’s U.S. Religious Landscape Survey, conducted in 2007, found a similar pattern in the United States. In that survey, the number of respondents who described themselves as Muslim was roughly the same as the number who said they were raised as Muslims, and the portion of all U.S. adults who have converted either to or from Islam was less than three-tenths of 1 percent (>0.3%). Due to the relatively small number of Muslims in the nationally representative survey sample, however, it was not possible to calculate a precise retention rate for the Islamic faith in the U.S."
Less than three-tenths of 1 percent (!!!), and even then the data is so small we can't make any reasonable conclusions about it.
This is taken from:
http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/...muslim-population-related-factors/#conversion
You want some of the thousands out there?
OK.
And here comes the anecdotal evidence...
CNN NEWS : Million of Americans converted to ISLAM After 9/11 ...
Ah, CNN *Headline* news, the evil pro-Zionist media mill! Let's take a look what they had to say...
...Ok, so they report two conversions, one woman was converting during the marriage ceremony and said she thought Islam was "peaceful" and didn't wear her hijab consistently, hmm, interesting. The other said she felt Islam gave her a better relationship wigh God because as a Christian she would pray to Jesus and say Hail Mary's. I guess some people prefer the Master-slave relationship over a loving God that treats his creation and adopted children.
Do these two anecdotal cases mean there has been mass conversion due to 9/11 and studying Islam? Hardly. And the bigger question is, if CNN Headline News was aware of statistical data such as the Pew Forum research, why would they provoke the idea that Islam is gaining so many converts? In other words, why would the "pro-Zionist" Media apparently support Islam? I'm curious to know what sister Abz thinks, I'll withhold my hypothesis until later.
An article written by Omar Sacirbey. Hmm, wonder what religion he could be?
I'm not sure whether you looked into any of these yourselves or whether you just pulled the first thing that came up in a google search, but the article begins talking about a convert who purchased a Quran after 9/11 and what to see if "her notions of Islam as a patriarchal and now seemingly violent religion, would be confirmed." I guess it's a good think she didn't talk to someone like you first Abz
Even so, it's still anecdotal, but then it does attempt to pass at least one statistical statement, "Though exact numbers are difficult to tally, observers estimate that as many as 20,000 Americans convert to Islam annually." Not exactly a scientific statement! I did try to find what the source of this was, and I could only find an indirect reference to CAIR, an American Muslim lobbying and advocacy group, which has every bit of interest in making Muslims seem like a large and fast growing minority.
NYDAILYNEWS
Number of Muslims in the U.S. doubles since 9/11*
MEGHAN NEAL2012, 3 May, 12:49 PM
A new survey reveals the dramatically changing face of religion in America, with the number of Muslims in the U.S. soaring 67% in the decade since the 9/11 attacks.
.... the burst of anti-Islam sentiment after the 9/11 attacks could have done more to grow the religion's presence in the U.S. than slow it. Those on the fence about converting to Islam may have decided to do so on principle."Persecution is sometimes good for a religious group — in the sense of being able to attract more followers, for some reason," Jones said. "Rarely is opposition a very effective tool in stopping the growth of a movement."....
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/number-muslims-u-s-doubles-9-11-article-1.1071895#bmb=1
Even without going into the statistics, and assuming this is absolutely accurate, if the large increase population over the last decade is due to (1) migration and (2) higher birth rates it doesn't prove your point that 9/11 sprouted mass conversions.
Peace to those who research sincerely, repent, accept all of God's Messengers and submit to God's Laws.
And peace to you if you are sincere and repentant.
As an aside, the fastest growing Islamic denomination is the Ahmadiyya sect! I wonder how many converts the Sufis capture? Doesn't say much if the converts are not even considered Muslim by other Muslims
