Paris Attacks

[sfontel]

:bism: (In the name of God, the Most Merciful, the Most Beneficent)

Hi Akingfisher, welcome to the board! I'd seen your first post and wondered if you were going to post again - glad to see you're back!

That said, I'd stay away from Abz, as most of what he writes is simply difficult for a rational person to get their heads around. Also, in his world, everything seems to be black and white, and therefore I think you'll have a better chance of having a satisfying conversation with the wall than him.

Lol.....Abz is cool...cmom! Even if he does not like my lol...

 

[sfontel]

:bism:

This is a very simplistic worldview. Prophet Musa/Moses alayhis salaam (peace and blessings be upon him) still had to do dawaa (invitation to submission to God) even though Pharaoh was one of the worst examples of humanity in history because God still held Prophet Musa/Moses alayhis salaam (peace and blessings be upon him) responsible for conveying the message. In that same way, the terrorist organizations and extremists are evil, misguided, and deluded. However, as laypersons, we're not allowed to say that they have become disbelievers simply because the only one allowed to do that are Islamic scholars.

That said, Islamic scholars have taken the position that the extremists' and terrorists' actions are un-Islamic and haraam. Also, Islamic scholars have deemed them as possessing the characteristics of Khwarij as they often perform takfir (declaring Muslims "non-Muslims") which of course means that takfir reverts back to them, and they are the ones who instead become disbelievers in the eyes of Allah (God). So, all in all, as laypersons, all we know for sure is Allah (God) will judge them for their evil and they will be paid in full for their evil actions on Judgment Day.

Muslims worldwide are against extremists and terrorists. Full Stop. Period. Dot. However, whether the extremists and terrorists are out of the folds of Islam, is not the judgment domain of the Muslim layperson but Islamic scholars. So, calling an extremist or terrorist a "brother" is not actually endorsing the extremists' position.

So.... Like you wait on the Pope to answer questions for you like Catholics do...

Understood....

I did not know that...And I have a felling westerns either....they need to know....

There may be a few problems....with such division in muslam faith...who are the popes?????????? Do you know?

Even it may have a few people thinking that that post coments have nothig to do with the original idea...I believe is quite the oposit...

We dont understand Muslams...and unless we will remain like that!

So...is a black hole? It may be...but we say that to get better it need to get worse....

Search....that was not a question...was a coment..

You said that Prophet Mohamed won over opression....even if took some batlles as schollars agree as you said....so that was a kind of miracle...when a litle army conquer biger ones....

I said.....12 man, not even an small army...12 man changed the Roman Empire! With out figthing back....

Was this a miracle of true God of love?

God bless!

I want to learn more...and Abz...I am working on your answer...

But I am frustred that you need a coffe table to explain things of your faith as for a man the was said to simple and black and white....

God Bless!

 

[Akingfisher]

Isn't there an islamic imperative to conquer the world for allah and rule the world with sharia which has nothing to do with anything else that has happened or is happening now?

I refer to:
[48.28] He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion that He may make it prevail over all the religions; and Allah is enough for a witness.
[48.29] Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward.

Also, isn't one of the ways of achieving this by hijrah, jihad by emigration?

So it matters not about any other supposed or actual reason, other than islamic world rule!

May be I misunderstand the texts, although they seem very clear!

 

[Akingfisher]

kuffar enemies of Allah who live like animals or worse and accuse the righteous of being aggressors.

Do you know about the muslim Pakistani grooming and rape gangs in the UK? Particularly in Rotherham, do a google search for it!

Would any muslim please tell me if such things are halal?

 

[Akingfisher]

Then it would be nice of you if you support the idea of those who've been abused and harmed for decades while the whole world and u.n looked on, to stand and excercise their right to live in an independent state ruled by God's laws.
When they get working on civil administration, food distribution, and nation building ( they have been commended for the results and lack of corruption) it's wiser to let them work peacefully rather than scream "omg their tryina teach sheraya law! let's elimnate them like a cancer".

So sex slavery of women and children and selling sex slaves and burning captives alive is commendable?

 

[Akingfisher]

It was a slip up more than likely!

A comment from the YouTube video:
[BANANA]
Or did he mean "we are speeding up the training against ISIL?"[/BANANA]

 

[Akingfisher]

:bism: (In the name of God, the Most Merciful, the Most Beneficent)

Hi Akingfisher, welcome to the board! I'd seen your first post and wondered if you were going to post again - glad to see you're back!

That said, I'd stay away from Abz, as most of what he writes is simply difficult for a rational person to get their heads around. Also, in his world, everything seems to be black and white, and therefore I think you'll have a better chance of having a satisfying conversation with the wall than him.

Thanks for your welcome and advice.

 

[strivingobserver98]

Fans of Panathinaikos football club: "We pray for Paris as we pray for Gaza and Syria".

 

[strivingobserver98]

Okay remember the twitter post before it happened?

Here's another coincidence..

Interesting.

Ok so this is battlefield 3
In this mission you have to stop a bomb exploding in Paris and you will start chasing the terrorists.
Look at the date.
Just look.
This will mess with you. - Dayna Behsman

 

[Physicist]

Okay remember the twitter post before it happened?

Here's another coincidence..

Interesting.

I think its just a coincidence, there are many games about terrorists with the different dates.

Btw, about conspiracy, who do you think are 'Anonymous'?
Are they are real enthusiast hackers or just another propaganda tool?
I think the latter.

 

[sfontel]

Thanks!

God bless![emoji1]

 

[Abz2000]

I think its just a coincidence, there are many games about terrorists with the different dates.

Btw, about conspiracy, who do you think are 'Anonymous'?
Are they are real enthusiast hackers or just another propaganda tool?
I think the latter.

Paid geeks? Certain outfits been running quite a few competitions under the guise of "vulnerability testing" and handing out prizes, all they'd have to do is run a profile on each one and recruit the dumbest smart ones.

Remember fast and furious when the rock dude recruits dominic and crew?

 

[sfontel]

Isn't there an islamic imperative to conquer the world for allah and rule the world with sharia which has nothing to do with anything else that has happened or is happening now?

I refer to:
[48.28] He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion that He may make it prevail over all the religions; and Allah is enough for a witness.
[48.29] Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward.

Also, isn't one of the ways of achieving this by hijrah, jihad by emigration?

So it matters not about any other supposed or actual reason, other than islamic world rule!

May be I misunderstand the texts, although they seem very clear!

That it may be....with all Christians follower of scripture dead....

And the judgment day!.....

Easy....

 

[Search]

:bism:

Lol, sfontel - who told you that?

From the End of Times' Islamic description, it is clear instead that Muslims and Christians will become united as simply "believers" with the Second Coming of Prophet Jesus/Isa alayhis salaam (peace be upon him). Because currently, the main difference in theology that divide Muslims and Christians is whether Jesus was the son of God, and according to Islam, that is clarified with his return.

As for for the Caliphate, well, according to the End of Times' description, again, it doesn't happen until the pledge of allegiance to Mahdi alayhis salaam (peace be upon him) and the Second Coming of Prophet Jesus/Isa alayhis salaam (peace be upon him).

Judgment Day doesn't happen until much later: Judgment Day doesn't occur until not one person on earth remains remembering Allah (God).

That it may be....with all Christians follower of scripture dead....

And the judgment day!.....

Easy....

 

[airetupal]

If a muslim suicide bomber, very devoted and willing to be a martir. Wants to kill dozens of infidels , but due to a malfuntion, the thing explodes before and only him is killed. Does he still get the 72 virgins? Just 36? 18? None?

 

[Search]

:bism:

Do you know about the muslim Pakistani grooming and rape gangs in the UK? Particularly in Rotherham, do a google search for it!

Would any muslim please tell me if such things are halal?

No, such a thing is absolutely haram (forbidden) in Islam and people perpetrating this injustice and oppression and evil be punished on Judgment Day, maybe even this life if God wills.

Please remember that people commit injustices and oppression and evil against other people; religions do not ever teach people to commit injustices and oppression and evil.

 

[Search]

:bism:

So sex slavery of women and children and selling sex slaves and burning captives alive is commendable?

ALL of the enumerated actions above are haram (forbidden) in Islam.

Which means that terrorists and extremists are perverting Islam.

 

[Abz2000]

If a muslim suicide bomber, very devoted and willing to be a martir. Wants to kill dozens of infidels , but due to a malfuntion, the thing explodes before and only him is killed. Does he still get the 72 virgins? Just 36? 18? None?

well that would depend on the depth of his knowledge, his sincerity, and his intention.

Amr ibn Al-As reported:
The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said,
“If a judge makes a ruling, striving sincerely in understanding and applying the correct reasoning*(ijtihad)*and he is correct, then he will have two rewards. If a judge makes a ruling, striving sincerely in understanding and applying the correct reasoning*(ijtihad)and he is mistaken, then he will have one reward.”

Source: Sahih Bukhari 6919, Sahih Muslim 1716
Grade:*Muttafaqun Alayhi*(authenticity agreed upon) according to Al-Bukhari and Muslimعَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ الْعَاصِ أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ

صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ*إِذَا حَكَمَ الْحَاكِمُ فَاجْتَهَدَ ثُمَّ أَصَابَ فَلَهُ أَجْرَانِ وَإِذَا*حَكَمَ*فَاجْتَهَدَ ثُمَّ أَخْطَأَ فَلَهُ أَجْرٌ6919 صحيح البخاري كتاب الاعتصام بالكتاب والسنة باب أجر الحاكم إذا اجتهد فأصاب أو أخطأ1716 صحيح مسلم كتاب الأقضية باب بيان أجر الحاكم إذا اجتهد فأصاب أو أخطأ

Have you given up on the idea of virgins already? must be sound incredible to you wherever you live that virgins could exist even on planet earth......

 

[Search]

Isn't there an islamic imperative to conquer the world for allah and rule the world with sharia which has nothing to do with anything else that has happened or is happening now?

I refer to:
[48.28] He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion that He may make it prevail over all the religions; and Allah is enough for a witness.
[48.29] Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward.

Also, isn't one of the ways of achieving this by hijrah, jihad by emigration?

So it matters not about any other supposed or actual reason, other than islamic world rule!

May be I misunderstand the texts, although they seem very clear!

:bism:

This question requires a well-written reply in enough detail for holistic and complete understanding of the ayat (verse), and In-sha-Allah I will do so at the earliest opportunity. K? Thanks for your patience in the meantime.

Take care.

 

[Search]

:bism:

If a muslim suicide bomber, very devoted and willing to be a martir. Wants to kill dozens of infidels , but due to a malfuntion, the thing explodes before and only him is killed. Does he still get the 72 virgins? Just 36? 18? None?

Hi!

Welcome to the board! Hope you find your stay is beneficial!

Please don't listen to the guy Abz that just replied to you as he supports extremists.

The answer to your question is suicide bombing is haram (forbidden) in Islam.