'Tis the season of the 'mawlid' debates again

Religious people just love to debate about small things, leaving and forgetting the most important things

Each year, we have a small war about various small things like Mawled

As for me, i don't care! I do what i think it's true and i turn away from these discussions that will waste my time

So, don't forget to bring your proofs and fight each others for nothing, i'm waiting...

Mawlid is not a small thing.

No innovation is a small thing which one should simply ignore, let alone Mawlid. Mawlid is one of the greatest innovations and misguidance.
 
The Saudi Arabian Government who are the leading pioneers of fiercely attacking the concept of Mawlid are the same people who dance with the likes of Bush and celebrate national day.

Dancing with Bush
Celebrating National day

Mawlid is a noble act and if it was forbidden it would have been prohibited
. If you don't celebrate, fair enough but do not scream Bidah in such an insulting and arrogant way when there is absolutely no logic to your reasoning. Why are you stopping people from praising our beloved Master and Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him.

What can kind of flawed logic is that? How can something that didn't even exist be forbidden like wut? Wut are you even??

Mawlid is not praising the Prophet :saws:, it is insulting him. And we won't let people do that.
 
What can kind of flawed logic is that? How can something that didn't even exist be forbidden like wut? Wut are you even??

Mawlid is not praising the Prophet :saws:, it is insulting him. And we won't let people do that.


If the guberment said that.. People would be up in arms.

But its complicated, for instance even though Christmas is debatable in origin and date..

They still televise Christmas mass.

If you go to the mosque and they talk about the prophet pbuh week in and week out..

Then there is probably special mention of him around the time of his birth.. Pbuh.

And for people so far away from it, it is little compensation.

...but I would hazard a guess that you may be correct in part..

No trace of self importance for 1400 years.. Apart from two holy places.
 
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What can kind of flawed logic is that? How can something that didn't even exist be forbidden like wut? Wut are you even??

Mawlid is not praising the Prophet :saws:, it is insulting him. And we won't let people do that.

In Islam everything is considered lawful unless it is explicitly or implicitly forbidden.
Name a single proof where Mawlid is prohibited. The onus is on you to prove its forbidden.
PS I liked your post in error
 
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In Islam everything is considered lawful unless it is explicitly or implicitly forbidden.
Name a single proof where Mawlid is prohibited. The onus is on you to prove its forbidden.
PS I liked your post in error

Correction: In ibadah matter, everything is unlawful unless there is evidence that allow it. In muamalah matter, everything is lawful unless there is evidence that prohibit it.

How about celebrating mawlid?. It's depend on what what Muslims do for it. If just giving lecture about Rasulullah life, like in my masjid , it's okay because this is not considered as act of ibadah. But if Muslims do special ritual for mawlid and they feel they have to do it, then this is bid'ah, because there is no evidence in Qur'an or sunnah that say they have to do this act of ibadah.

If anyone want to correcting me, I appreciate. :)
 
In Islam everything is considered lawful unless it is explicitly or implicitly forbidden.
Name a single proof where Mawlid is prohibited. The onus is on you to prove its forbidden.
PS I liked your post in error

I love how people present their opinions as facts, then quickly write something to follow it up so it won't be questioned.

Who told you everything is lawful unless it is explicitly or implicitly forbidden?

You made this claim, the burden of proof is no you, not I.

So prove this, then I'll show you proof that the filth known as Mawlid is haraam in the pure deen of Allah.
 
Correction: In ibadah matter, everything is unlawful unless there is evidence that allow it. In muamalah matter, everything is lawful unless there is evidence that prohibit it.

How about celebrating mawlid?. It's depend on what what Muslims do for it. If just giving lecture about Rasulullah life, like in my masjid , it's okay because this is not considered as act of ibadah. But if Muslims do special ritual for mawlid and they feel they have to do it, then this is bid'ah, because there is no evidence in Qur'an or sunnah that say they have to do this act of ibadah.

If anyone want to correcting me, I appreciate. :)
If a person attaches special significance to 12 rabi ul awal to do these things, then it's still bid'ah.

If a person just does it, because he just feels like it, or it's just a coincidence, he just treats it like any other day, then it's not bid'ah.
 
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Why can a person not say "La ilaha illallah" to become Muslim? Why "Muhammadur RasulAllah"?

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Prophet :saws: narrated: “Allah said: When Adam made the mistake, he asked: 'O Allah! I ask you for the sake of Muhammad to forgive me.' Allah said: 'O Adam! How do you recognize Muhammad when I have not yet created him?' Adam said: 'O Allah! When you created me and blew into me the spirit, I lifted my head and saw written on the `Arsh ‘La ilaaha illallah Muhammadur rasoolullah’.' So, I got to know that you would only join your name with him who is most beloved to you. Allah said: 'O Adam! You have spoken the truth. Indeed Muhammad is more beloved to me than anything and when you asked me for his sake, I pardoned you. If Muhammad was not in existence, I would not have created you'.”

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Allah SWT said in the Holy Qur'an:

إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا

inna-Llaha wa malaa'ikatahu yusalloona `ala 'n-nabi, yaa ayyuhal-ladheena aamanoo salloo `alayhi was sallimoo tasleema.
Verily, Allah and His angels send praise on the Prophet. O Believers! Pray upon him and greet him. (al-'Ahzaab, 33:56)


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Jabir ibn `Abd Allah said to the Prophet :saws:: "O Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be sacrificed for you, tell me of the first thing Allah created before all things." He said: "O Jabir, the first thing Allah created was the light of your Prophet from His light, and that light remained in the midst of His Power for as long as He wished, and there was not, at that time, a Tablet or a Pen or a Paradise or a Fire or an angel or a heaven or an earth. And when Allah wished to create creation, he divided that Light into four parts and from the first made the Pen, from the second the Tablet, from the third the Throne, [and from the fourth everything else]."

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Allah SWT said in Holy Qur'an::

لَوْ أَنزَلْنَا هَذَا الْقُرْآنَ عَلَى جَبَلٍ لَّرَأَيْتَهُ خَاشِعًا مُّتَصَدِّعًا مِّنْ خَشْيَةِ اللَّهِ
law anzalnaa haadhaa al-Qur’ana `alaa jabalin la-ra'aytahu khaashi`aan mutasaddi`an min khashyatillah.
If We had caused this Qur'an to descend upon a mountain (O Muhammad), verily you would have seen it humbled, rent asunder by the fear of Allah. (Al-Hashr, 59:21)







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How come Allah SWT sent the Holy Qur'an onto the heart of Prophet Muhammad :saws: who did not fall apart?

Who is this Prophet Muhammad :saws:?

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I love how people present their opinions as facts, then quickly write something to follow it up so it won't be questioned.

Who told you everything is lawful unless it is explicitly or implicitly forbidden?

You made this claim, the burden of proof is no you, not I.

So prove this, then I'll show you proof that the filth known as Mawlid is haraam in the pure deen of Allah.


The words you use to describe Mawlid are disturbing, a tragedy thus this discussion ends here. Mawlid is celebrated in all corners of the world not only in this month but all year around regardless of your opinion.

Assalatu wassalamu alayka Ya Rasulullah Sallallahu alayhi wasallam.
 
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[h=2]Supernatural events witnessed during the birth of Prophet Muhammad :saws: and miraculous events occurred at the night he was born?[/h]
From the narrations by his mother:


Mother to Prophet :saws:, Amina, who was deemed worthy of such a unique honor that no any other mother ever was, describes that blissful moment as follows:
“Someone came towards me in my dream in the sixth month of my pregnancy and said: “O Amina! Know that you are pregnant to the most decent person of the universe. When you give birth to him, name him Muhammad and do not tell about it to anyone!” Then the time for birth came. My father-in-law was away, performing Hajj. I was at home. Suddenly I heard a voice. I felt as if I would melt with horror. It was there. A white bird appeared and came to me; and it patted my back with its wing. I did not feel any fear or anxiety from then on. I had a look around. They were serving me syrup in a white jug. As soon as I drank it, I was covered with a sea of light. And Mohammad was born.”


Amina tells us about afterbirth as follows: “I saw a flag in the east, a flag in the west and a flag on the Qaaba. The birth was over. I looked at the baby. He was on sajdah (prostration) and his finger was raised up towards sky. Then a white cloud came down and swaddled the baby. I heard a voice: Show him around the east and the west, show the seas, so that creatures will know Muhammad with his name, his title and his face.Then the cloud disappeared away.”

Also at the same night, Amina saw a divine light and in the brightness of that light, she watched palaces and mansions in Damascus.


Observations by Midwives Shifa and Fatima

At the time the Prophet Mohammad :saws: was born, Shifa who was Abdurrahman bin Awf’s mother and Fatima who was Uthman bin Abul’l As’s mother were together with the reverend mother. Shifa, who was one of the midwives, described her observations at that time as follows:

“I was there when The Messenger of Allah was born. I quickly came there for help. I heard a voice: “May Allah’s mercy be upon him.” The distance between the south and the north was filled with divine light. And I saw some palaces of Byzantine in that light. Then I took the Messenger of Allah in my arms and started to suckle him. I started to tremble and almost fainted. The baby disappeared in front of my eyes. A voice asked: ‘Where has he gone?’ Another one replied: ‘They took him to the east.’

I never forgot those words. Therefore, as soon as the Messenger of Allah declared his prophethood I went to him and accepted his faith together with the first Muslims.” (1)

Fatima said that the house where the birth took place was filled with divine light and the stars in the sky seemed as if they would fall into the house. (2)

Another specialty of Prophet Mohammad was that he was born circumcised and his umbilical cord was already cut off. (3) There was “The seal of prophethood” between his shoulder blades on his back, just in the line with his heart. It was formed by hairy, raised and reddish freckles which looked like pearls and it was in the size of a partridge egg. The seal was a sign indicating that he was the last prophet being awaited for a long time.

Saib bin Yazid, one of the Companions, tells about the seal as follows: “When I was a child, my aunt took me to the Prophet and said: O Messenger of Allah, there is a pain in my nephew’s foot.

The Messenger of Allah patted my head with his hand and prayed for me. Then he took ablution. I drank from the ablution water. Then I stood behind him and I saw the seal of prophethood between his shoulders; it was as big as the huge buttons of the tent (or a partridge egg).”

Describing the Messenger of Allah :saws:, Ali r.a. (may Allah be pleased with him) said: “He was broad between his shoulder blades and it was obvious that he was the last prophet from the seal of prophethood between his shoulder blades.”


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Allah SWT said in Holy Qur'an:
سُبْحَانَ الَّذِي أَسْرَى بِعَبْدِهِ لَيْلاً مِّنَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ إِلَى الْمَسْجِدِ الأَقْصَى الَّذِي بَارَكْنَا حَوْلَهُ لِنُرِيَهُ
مِنْ آيَاتِنَا إِنَّهُ هُوَ السَّمِيعُ البَصِيرُ

Subhaan-alladhee asraa bi `abdihi laylan min al-masjid al-haraam ila 'l-masjidi 'l-aqsaa 'Lladhee baaraknaa hawlahu li-nooriyahu min ayaatinaa innahu huwa ‘s-samee`u 'l- baseer.

Glory be to He Who transported His servant by night from the Inviolable House of Worship (at Mecca) to the Remote House of Worship (at Jerusalem), the environs of which We had blessed so that We might show him some of Our symbols, for verily He Alone is All-Hearing, All-Seeing. (Surat al-'Israa, 17:1)


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It is our aqeeda (belief) that Prophet :saws: traveled physically with the invitation of Allah SWT comprising of Isra’ and Mi’raaj (the Prophet’s Night Journey and Ascent into heaven), two great signs of Allah about the greatness of his status before Allah.

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Prophet Yahya alayhis salaam was saying about his own birthday which Allah talks about him saying the Holy Qur'an:
وَسَلَامٌ عَلَيْهِ يَوْمَ وُلِدَ وَيَوْمَ يَمُوتُ وَيَوْمَ يُبْعَثُ حَيًّا
wa salaamun `alayhi yawma wulida wayawma yamootu wayawma yub`athu haayyaa
"And may peace and blessings be upon the day he was born..." (Surah Maryam 19:15)

So, Prophet Yahya alayhis salaam can say that about his birth date, yet Muslims cannot say that for the most honorable creation Prophet Muhammad :saws:?


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