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'150,000 Americans couldn’t beat us': Taliban fighters defiant in Afghanistan
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Surprise surprise.
Facebook bans Muslim accounts for merely mentioning Taliban
Facebook and Instagram are censuring or banning prominent Muslim accounts for merely mentioning the Taliban while mainstream media accounts remain free to talk about the group.
Since the Taliban has been trending in the news during its takeover of Afghanistan, Facebook has censured numerous accounts which have spoken about the group which it considers be a “terrorist organisation.”
Those censured have included both 5Pillars editors – Roshan Muhammed Salih and Dilly Hussain – who received violations from Facebook for merely mentioning the group in posts rather than supporting them.
Facebook has also censured or banned many other Muslim activists and pages for talking about the group rather than supporting it. This appears to be happening at the same time as mainstream media organisations face no such censorship.
Facebook says it designates the Taliban “a terrorist group” and bans it from its platforms such as Instagram and WhatsApp.
The U.S. State Department does not list the Afghan Taliban as a Foreign Terrorist Organisation like it does the Pakistani Taliban. But Washington does sanction the group as a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist,” which freezes the U.S. assets of those blacklisted and bars Americans from working with them.
“They will not be allowed while they are proscribed by the U.S. law and even if they were not proscribed by U.S. law, we would have to do a policy analysis on whether or not they nevertheless violate our dangerous organisations policy,” Facebook’s vice president of content policy Monika Bickert told reporters.
Censorship of Muslims
The Islamify account on Instagram, which has 1.3 million followers, said Instagram had unjustly censured its content and warned it that its account could be deleted.
Islamify said: “Our last post was unjustly removed by Istagram, with false accusations that it promotes violence and dangerous organisations. The deleted post contained content sources from major news platforms and did not show support or promote violence or any form of terrorism. This isn’t the first time Instagram has been deleting our content. Last month Instagram deleted a post about fasting on the Day of Arafah.”
Meanwhile, the Muslim Daily account, with 520,000 followers on Instagram, was deleted.
They said: “During the Gaza war and attacks on Al-Aqsa we had dozens of posts removed that didn’t actually violate any guidelines and was threatened with account deletion. I did not post anything in support of Hamas actions, only posted from a neutral and factual viewpoint, many things were the same content we see on mainstream news channels…
“I also made a post on Afghanistan (nothing graphic) and spoke about the media silence on Afghan forces war crimes, such as the bombing of hospitals and clinics, and killing of civilians on both sides.
“Since the war in Gaza I’ve been shadowbanned too, thousands of my followers messaged me to say when they search for my username the account never comes up. Now the account has been disabled.”
Muslim journalist and Afghanistan expert Yvonne Ridley said she was shocked to discover that her page had breached community standards.
“I ticked the box disagreeing and it was reinstalled again. the article which appeared to offend was a 2,000 word essay examining the position of Afghan women over 45 years – when it comes to women’s rights it made grim reading but was sourced and based on government statistics. I thought I’d woken up in Pyongyang!
“I’ve read and heard plenty about this sort of censorship on the social networks and, in truth, I’ve never got steamed up about it before, but when it happens to you, you suddenly realise that this sort of ‘Big Brother’ attention is disconcerting. Don’t be like me and sit back complacent, and do nothing until it happens to you.”
The Documenting Oppression Against Muslims (DOAM) pages have also been censured on a regular basis.
DOAM said: “Ever since we started DOAM project in 2014, we’ve been deliberately targeted and constantly being censored by social media platforms simply because we are exposing oppression/hate crimes against Muslims worldwide.
“In 2017, our Facebook page with over 400,000 followers was taken down with no reason. We’ve been constantly ‘shadowbanned’ on Facebook where for a period of time our posts almost have 0 reach even though we have over 170,000 followers. We only noticed this when our followers contacted us reporting that our posts are not appearing on their news feeds. Only viewable by going directly to the page.
“On Instagram, we have been shadowbanned many times over the years where users are unable to like our posts or unable to find our page via search. None of the posts would be visible in the hashtags. In May 2021, Instagram disabled our account after raising awareness about forced evictions of Palestinians in Sheikh Jarrah and attacks on Al Aqsa mosque. Instagram reinstated our account after a public campaign and outrage.
“Instagram has again disabled our account recently after we posted about the Algerian Judoka Fethi Nourine who withdrew from the Olympics to avoid playing against Israeli competitor.
“Our Twitter account with 46,000 followers has been permanently marked as sensitive as a result of mass reporting and certain governments wanting to take down our content. We can’t even appeal their decision. You know what’s strange? The content we post is also widely available on these social media platforms by mainstream media outlets.
“Over the years, I’ve come to the conclusion that these platforms don’t want Muslim organisations to succeed as we control the narrative and they’ll do everything they can to silence you.”
Muslim activist Majid Freeman also had his account disabled.
He said: “Unfortunately my Instagram page and many other prominent Muslim pages who have been vocal in speaking out for the oppressed have been silenced by social media platforms like Instagram and Facebook.
“Facebook deleted my page last year which had over 100k followers. My Facebook page was removed last year for numerous posts going back a few years which simply had the words ‘Tommy Robinson’ in them. Many of them were just news articles but this apparently violated their terms and conditions and they removed it without a chance to appeal it.
“This week Instagram removed my page [MENTION=47376]Maj[/MENTION]star_7 which I’ve had since 2014. I had over 7,500 posts on there. I used my platform to amplify the voices of other Afghans who were saying the situation on the ground is not as bad as the mainstream media is portraying. Some of my posts were simply a screenshot of their tweets. This resulted in my posts being constantly removed.
“I have also used my platform to repost the same videos from other news channels like Al Jazeera English and Instagram have removed them too for ‘promoting violence’ yet the very same videos are remaining up on the news channels. Other people’s posts which are criticising the new Afghan leaders and praising western intervention and the ‘war on terror’ are staying up on Instagram without any issues.
“There’s no process for challenging their arbitrary decisions. We saw both platforms do the same with the recent attack in Gaza by Israel. At a time when mainstream media is no longer trusted by many, it’s a shame that social media platforms, who many look to as being a voice for the people on the ground in any given conflict, that they are censuring news from being disseminated in order to act as propaganda tools. The fact that Muslims are always on the receiving end of these clampdowns is also concerning.”
Majid Freeman’s new Instagram account is here.
And 5Pillars editor Roshan Muhammed Salih said: “Facebook has long since abandoned any commitment to peaceful free speech and is effectively judge, jury and executioner. We are very careful to follow its rules but we have been given violations many times even when we haven’t breached their guidelines. And of course there is no fair appeals process, you just have to accept what they do to you.
“Muslims need to wake up to the fact that these platforms will never allow genuine free speech for us and we will all be forced off them at some point unless we abandon Islam. So we need to urgently think about creating viable alternative social media platforms and other means of communicating our message to the public away from the censorship of the West.”
Thus far other social media platforms such as Twitter and YouTube have not censured accounts which debate news about the Taliban.
https://5pillarsuk.com/2021/08/22/facebook-bans-muslim-user-accounts-for-mentioning-taliban/
Surprise surprise.
Facebook bans Muslim accounts for merely mentioning Taliban
Facebook and Instagram are censuring or banning prominent Muslim accounts for merely mentioning the Taliban while mainstream media accounts remain free to talk about the group.
Since the Taliban has been trending in the news during its takeover of Afghanistan, Facebook has censured numerous accounts which have spoken about the group which it considers be a “terrorist organisation.”
Those censured have included both 5Pillars editors – Roshan Muhammed Salih and Dilly Hussain – who received violations from Facebook for merely mentioning the group in posts rather than supporting them.
Facebook has also censured or banned many other Muslim activists and pages for talking about the group rather than supporting it. This appears to be happening at the same time as mainstream media organisations face no such censorship.
Facebook says it designates the Taliban “a terrorist group” and bans it from its platforms such as Instagram and WhatsApp.
The U.S. State Department does not list the Afghan Taliban as a Foreign Terrorist Organisation like it does the Pakistani Taliban. But Washington does sanction the group as a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist,” which freezes the U.S. assets of those blacklisted and bars Americans from working with them.
“They will not be allowed while they are proscribed by the U.S. law and even if they were not proscribed by U.S. law, we would have to do a policy analysis on whether or not they nevertheless violate our dangerous organisations policy,” Facebook’s vice president of content policy Monika Bickert told reporters.
Censorship of Muslims
The Islamify account on Instagram, which has 1.3 million followers, said Instagram had unjustly censured its content and warned it that its account could be deleted.
Islamify said: “Our last post was unjustly removed by Istagram, with false accusations that it promotes violence and dangerous organisations. The deleted post contained content sources from major news platforms and did not show support or promote violence or any form of terrorism. This isn’t the first time Instagram has been deleting our content. Last month Instagram deleted a post about fasting on the Day of Arafah.”
Meanwhile, the Muslim Daily account, with 520,000 followers on Instagram, was deleted.
They said: “During the Gaza war and attacks on Al-Aqsa we had dozens of posts removed that didn’t actually violate any guidelines and was threatened with account deletion. I did not post anything in support of Hamas actions, only posted from a neutral and factual viewpoint, many things were the same content we see on mainstream news channels…
“I also made a post on Afghanistan (nothing graphic) and spoke about the media silence on Afghan forces war crimes, such as the bombing of hospitals and clinics, and killing of civilians on both sides.
“Since the war in Gaza I’ve been shadowbanned too, thousands of my followers messaged me to say when they search for my username the account never comes up. Now the account has been disabled.”
Muslim journalist and Afghanistan expert Yvonne Ridley said she was shocked to discover that her page had breached community standards.
“I ticked the box disagreeing and it was reinstalled again. the article which appeared to offend was a 2,000 word essay examining the position of Afghan women over 45 years – when it comes to women’s rights it made grim reading but was sourced and based on government statistics. I thought I’d woken up in Pyongyang!
“I’ve read and heard plenty about this sort of censorship on the social networks and, in truth, I’ve never got steamed up about it before, but when it happens to you, you suddenly realise that this sort of ‘Big Brother’ attention is disconcerting. Don’t be like me and sit back complacent, and do nothing until it happens to you.”
The Documenting Oppression Against Muslims (DOAM) pages have also been censured on a regular basis.
DOAM said: “Ever since we started DOAM project in 2014, we’ve been deliberately targeted and constantly being censored by social media platforms simply because we are exposing oppression/hate crimes against Muslims worldwide.
“In 2017, our Facebook page with over 400,000 followers was taken down with no reason. We’ve been constantly ‘shadowbanned’ on Facebook where for a period of time our posts almost have 0 reach even though we have over 170,000 followers. We only noticed this when our followers contacted us reporting that our posts are not appearing on their news feeds. Only viewable by going directly to the page.
“On Instagram, we have been shadowbanned many times over the years where users are unable to like our posts or unable to find our page via search. None of the posts would be visible in the hashtags. In May 2021, Instagram disabled our account after raising awareness about forced evictions of Palestinians in Sheikh Jarrah and attacks on Al Aqsa mosque. Instagram reinstated our account after a public campaign and outrage.
“Instagram has again disabled our account recently after we posted about the Algerian Judoka Fethi Nourine who withdrew from the Olympics to avoid playing against Israeli competitor.
“Our Twitter account with 46,000 followers has been permanently marked as sensitive as a result of mass reporting and certain governments wanting to take down our content. We can’t even appeal their decision. You know what’s strange? The content we post is also widely available on these social media platforms by mainstream media outlets.
“Over the years, I’ve come to the conclusion that these platforms don’t want Muslim organisations to succeed as we control the narrative and they’ll do everything they can to silence you.”
Muslim activist Majid Freeman also had his account disabled.
He said: “Unfortunately my Instagram page and many other prominent Muslim pages who have been vocal in speaking out for the oppressed have been silenced by social media platforms like Instagram and Facebook.
“Facebook deleted my page last year which had over 100k followers. My Facebook page was removed last year for numerous posts going back a few years which simply had the words ‘Tommy Robinson’ in them. Many of them were just news articles but this apparently violated their terms and conditions and they removed it without a chance to appeal it.
“This week Instagram removed my page [MENTION=47376]Maj[/MENTION]star_7 which I’ve had since 2014. I had over 7,500 posts on there. I used my platform to amplify the voices of other Afghans who were saying the situation on the ground is not as bad as the mainstream media is portraying. Some of my posts were simply a screenshot of their tweets. This resulted in my posts being constantly removed.
“I have also used my platform to repost the same videos from other news channels like Al Jazeera English and Instagram have removed them too for ‘promoting violence’ yet the very same videos are remaining up on the news channels. Other people’s posts which are criticising the new Afghan leaders and praising western intervention and the ‘war on terror’ are staying up on Instagram without any issues.
“There’s no process for challenging their arbitrary decisions. We saw both platforms do the same with the recent attack in Gaza by Israel. At a time when mainstream media is no longer trusted by many, it’s a shame that social media platforms, who many look to as being a voice for the people on the ground in any given conflict, that they are censuring news from being disseminated in order to act as propaganda tools. The fact that Muslims are always on the receiving end of these clampdowns is also concerning.”
Majid Freeman’s new Instagram account is here.
And 5Pillars editor Roshan Muhammed Salih said: “Facebook has long since abandoned any commitment to peaceful free speech and is effectively judge, jury and executioner. We are very careful to follow its rules but we have been given violations many times even when we haven’t breached their guidelines. And of course there is no fair appeals process, you just have to accept what they do to you.
“Muslims need to wake up to the fact that these platforms will never allow genuine free speech for us and we will all be forced off them at some point unless we abandon Islam. So we need to urgently think about creating viable alternative social media platforms and other means of communicating our message to the public away from the censorship of the West.”
Thus far other social media platforms such as Twitter and YouTube have not censured accounts which debate news about the Taliban.
https://5pillarsuk.com/2021/08/22/facebook-bans-muslim-user-accounts-for-mentioning-taliban/
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It’s pretty clear that there is an agenda to influence the way people think about this situation. Look at how hard the media is pushing this topic ever since the pull out. I’ve seen news sites where at least half of all heir headlines were about Afghanistan. It’s non stop on the radio, TV, newspapers and internet. The issues in Yemen, China, Palestine, Myanmar, pretty much all of Africa, and so many other places don’t get near the attention that Afghanistan is. Anytime I see something like that happen, it’s an immediate red flag. The least of all, accepting any “official” reports from the US government about any situation should not be taken too seriously. This was never about the Afghan people, womens’ rights, or human rights in general.
How do you all feel about the Taliban executing the Afghan comedian?
The Taliban's brothers in arms, ISIS, is apparently detonating bombs and killing, among others, Afghan children. Do you support this?
Yeah Ill take the bait - The pig ignornance your display is quite something, get a basic education (if thats not beyond your limited capabilities) before you opine on subjects you have no clue about.
You are an embarassment.
Yeah Ill take the bait - The pig ignornance your display is quite something, get a basic education (if thats not beyond your limited capabilities) before you opine on subjects you have no clue about.
You are an embarassment.
Simple questions. I have the impression that some here think it's great.
Yeah Ill take the bait - The pig ignornance your display is quite something, get a basic education (if thats not beyond your limited capabilities) before you opine on subjects you have no clue about.
You are an embarassment.
Yeah liberal trolls are very annoying.
I did a bit of research and you are right. A caliphate is impossible because there are so many sects and separate nations of Muslims. Maybe in the future if Muslims drop all the sects and be united and true to the faith a caliphate could be possible.
Back to the Taliban...These guys are wearing kid gloves. I am sick of the hypocrisy from the West always putting the boot into them. The West has killed millions and millions over the years and what are they saying now. "Womens rights" !!! Blah blah "girls gotta go to school" Blah blah it's enough to pull your hair out. It's so bad bring on End of Days. A rogue planet crashing into Earth would be nice to put us out of our misery once and for all.
It’s pretty clear that there is an agenda to influence the way people think about this situation. Look at how hard the media is pushing this topic ever since the pull out. I’ve seen news sites where at least half of all heir headlines were about Afghanistan. It’s non stop on the radio, TV, newspapers and internet. The issues in Yemen, China, Palestine, Myanmar, pretty much all of Africa, and so many other places don’t get near the attention that Afghanistan is. Anytime I see something like that happen, it’s an immediate red flag. The least of all, accepting any “official” reports from the US government about any situation should not be taken too seriously. This was never about the Afghan people, womens’ rights, or human rights in general.
I concur! Why is it though that the Taliban when asked idiotic and infantile questions by the Western Jew-owned media obsessed about "women's right's", "girls' education" "gay rights" etc that they actually give them any reply AT ALL? They only give the enemy a kind of "legitimacy" by giving answers to those questions! The Taliban say "Well, they will be given their rights within the context of Islamic law, blah blah". But why don't they just say "Look, make no mistake bout this, the very reason you invaded us in the first place was on the claim that you were wanting to drive out Al-Qaeda and stop Afghanistan from being used as a breeding ground for terrorism, end of story! So WHY are you now asking us ridiculous and inane questions regarding purely domestic matters that simply don't concern you at all?? We will not answer such lame questions and will instead only answer pertinent questions specifically to do with the foreign occupiers leavings etc. We have already told you we are enemies of ISIS/ISIL etc, and other terrorist groups that wish to use this country as a haven for their purposes. We have also clearly stated that we do not want this country to be used as a base for foreign forces (including Western ones) to attack foreign countries-- either neighbouring countries or far flung countries. All we want is peace and to be just left alone! That is all you need to know. The 'plight' of any of our own citizens is none of your concern. It is for us to deal with, not you. It is simply not your business whether or not we educate our females, whether we want them accompanied when outside our homes, or what our daughters eat for breakfast, if they eat too much fat and sugar, drink too much coffee, or what time they go to bed at night!!"
Salaam
Interesting and disappointing, more on the Talibans leadership dealings with the Americans.
Are they coordinating military attacks?
sobering reality
Interesting and disappointing, more on the Talibans leadership dealings with the Americans.
Are they coordinating military attacks?
sobering reality
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What did America achieve? Well, after four US presidents and trillions of dollars spent on war, the Americans managed to take Afghanistan away from the Taliban, only to give it back to the Taliban.
Somehow, America will claim that as a victory.
The stupidity of war.
Somehow, America will claim that as a victory.
The stupidity of war.
Salaam
Great interview.
Fmr Taliban Ambassador to Pakistan on OGN
Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, former Taliban Ambassador to Pakistan and ex-Guantanamo detainee, joins Bilal Abdul Kareem to discuss the airport attacks, who was responsible & the future of Afghanistan.
Great interview.
Fmr Taliban Ambassador to Pakistan on OGN
Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, former Taliban Ambassador to Pakistan and ex-Guantanamo detainee, joins Bilal Abdul Kareem to discuss the airport attacks, who was responsible & the future of Afghanistan.
Salaam
The only side he is on is himeself, He adopts the values of whoever is employing him.
Though being a Shia the mask has come off, the irony is is that the Taliban have promised to protect the Shia of Afghanistan, (they recently allowed Shia processions in Kabul).
heh
Can you post link to Mehdi Hasan tweets again? It didn't open
edit : I will find his twitter inshaAllah it should show up in search as he is public figure. I'm just surprised as I thought he is on the muslim side
The only side he is on is himeself, He adopts the values of whoever is employing him.
Though being a Shia the mask has come off, the irony is is that the Taliban have promised to protect the Shia of Afghanistan, (they recently allowed Shia processions in Kabul).
heh
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What did America achieve? Well, after four US presidents and trillions of dollars spent on war, the Americans managed to take Afghanistan away from the Taliban, only to give it back to the Taliban.
Somehow, America will claim that as a victory.
The stupidity of war.
The Zionists did very well. They still lord over Afghanistan, no longer with foot soldiers but with air power, while duping people into believing that the "war is over". Furthermore, they have managed to import well over a 100000 Afghan traitors into the USA and flood Europe too with these coward gimmegrants (or more euphemistically speaking "economic migrants"). I read a story how a traitor Afghan family are living it up in Texas. I wonder what the local tax paying people are feeling about that? "Build the wall"! "What the F***k now they are flying them in"! Are there any Afghan traitors going to Israel? The Great Replacement is doing really well.
Salaam
You misunderstand, its not 'impossible' though it will take a long time. It will have to account for how the world has changed and will have to adapt and confront new realities. We had it however imperfect in the past, it can happen again.
So Biden is following the Trump blueprint, looks like the USA era of being a global enforcer is coming to an end.
More analysis.
The Imperial USA Retreats
Although the way it was done was a humiliating shambles, the retreat of the USA from its occupation of Afghanistan is not a bad thing; the US military should also be withdrawn from Iraq, Africa, Europe, and most of its military bases around the world. But the question is, does this retreat spell the end of the empire?
What this comparison tells us is that the neoclown world order, aka “the open society”, aka Globohomo, is even less ideologically appealing to the people it oppresses around the world than Soviet-style communism. The riots and protests against the vaccine regimes around the world, from Australia to France, testify to the same thing.
This is precisely what the Learned Elders of Wye feared back in 2006 when they began to make their initial plans to leave the sinking ship of the USA, but if the shambolic retreat of their servants from Afghanistan is a true harbinger, it suggests their planned retreat from the USA will be even more disastrous.
UPDATE: George Soros on China:
2010: China has ‘better-functioning government’ than the USA.
2021: Xi Jinping is “the most dangerous enemy of open societies in the world.”
I wonder what could possibly have changed Mr. Soros’s opinion in the interim?
https://voxday.net/2021/08/31/the-imperial-usa-retreats/
More analysis.
Rule By Ontology
William S. Lind considers the nominalism and magical thinking of the Washington elite in the wake of the imperial debacle in Afghanistan.
Ontology is bad enough when it passes for philosophy, it’s downright ludicrous as political ideology and government policy. But it’s worth questioning from whence it comes, as it ultimately derives from the “as above, so below” occultism of the pharisatanics who presently dominate the imperial capital. This belief in word spells not only describing, but defining and dictating reality is not magical thinking, it is the sort of magickal thinking utilized by those who worship the god of this world.
https://voxday.net/2021/09/01/rule-by-ontology/
Yeah liberal trolls are very annoying.
I did a bit of research and you are right. A caliphate is impossible
You misunderstand, its not 'impossible' though it will take a long time. It will have to account for how the world has changed and will have to adapt and confront new realities. We had it however imperfect in the past, it can happen again.
So Biden is following the Trump blueprint, looks like the USA era of being a global enforcer is coming to an end.
More analysis.
The Imperial USA Retreats
Although the way it was done was a humiliating shambles, the retreat of the USA from its occupation of Afghanistan is not a bad thing; the US military should also be withdrawn from Iraq, Africa, Europe, and most of its military bases around the world. But the question is, does this retreat spell the end of the empire?
Wise men in Washington have claimed for years that defeat in Afghanistan is what pushed the Soviet Union to collapse. Now that the US has done much worse, the world is about to see whether their theories hold water.
The last US military flight out of the Hamid Karzai International Airport (HKIA) took off on Monday, a minute before the clocks struck midnight in Kabul. The 20-year war had come to an end, and the Taliban lit up the night skies with celebratory gunfire.
To hear President Joe Biden tell it, “the largest airlift in US history” was an “unparalleled” success, executed by the US military, diplomats, veterans and volunteers “with unmatched courage, professionalism, and resolve.”
In the minds of just about everyone else who could watch the events unfold over the past two weeks, it was a mad scramble to evacuate over 100,000 Afghans eager to emigrate, with fewer than 6,000 Americans making the flights – and several hundred being left behind for diplomats to try and save.
In fact, while 82nd Airborne Division commander General Christopher Donahue and US ambassador to Afghanistan Ross Wilson were the last two people to step on the last plane, no American civilians were on board the last five flights out of Kabul. This was the startling admission by General Kenneth McKenzie of CENTCOM to Pentagon reporters on Monday evening.
“We did not get everybody out that we wanted to get out,” McKenzie said.
Compare that to the Soviet pullout from Afghanistan, which ended in February 1989. The USSR took nine months to draw down over 100,000 troops. The last man across the Bridge of Friendship into present-day Uzbekistan was General Boris V. Gromov, who turned to a TV crew and said, “There is not a single Soviet soldier or officer left behind me.”
The government of Dr. Najibullah, whom the Soviets intervened to support against the US-backed Islamists a decade earlier, fought on for three more years – collapsing only after the USSR itself imploded and stopped sending aid. By contrast, the US-backed government in Kabul vanished into thin air before the US withdrawal was even complete.
Russia Today, 31 August 2021
What this comparison tells us is that the neoclown world order, aka “the open society”, aka Globohomo, is even less ideologically appealing to the people it oppresses around the world than Soviet-style communism. The riots and protests against the vaccine regimes around the world, from Australia to France, testify to the same thing.
This is precisely what the Learned Elders of Wye feared back in 2006 when they began to make their initial plans to leave the sinking ship of the USA, but if the shambolic retreat of their servants from Afghanistan is a true harbinger, it suggests their planned retreat from the USA will be even more disastrous.
UPDATE: George Soros on China:
2010: China has ‘better-functioning government’ than the USA.
2021: Xi Jinping is “the most dangerous enemy of open societies in the world.”
I wonder what could possibly have changed Mr. Soros’s opinion in the interim?
https://voxday.net/2021/08/31/the-imperial-usa-retreats/
More analysis.
Rule By Ontology
William S. Lind considers the nominalism and magical thinking of the Washington elite in the wake of the imperial debacle in Afghanistan.
How could the whole Washington defense and foreign policy establishment get it so wrong? One answer is that, if you want to become and remain a member of the establishment, you must never make waves. Since almost all the people in question want to be something, not do something, they follow that rule regardless of where it leads. A defeat in war is but a small matter when compared to a risk to their careers.
Another answer is that members of the establishment are almost all nominalists. That is to say, if they give something a name, it takes on real existence in their minds. The Afghan National Army offers a perfect example. Because we called it an army, gave it lots of American money, equipment and training, and knew its order of battle, it was an army. But it wasn’t. Apart from a few commando units, it was a ragtag collection of men who needed jobs and had little or no interest in fighting. Those men seldom saw their pay, because it was stolen before it reached them. Rations and ammunition often suffered the same fate. That army collapsed overnight because it never really existed outside the minds of establishment nominalists.
That same nominalism applied to the entire Afghan government. Washington nominalists thought it was real; Afghans knew it was not. A Marine battalion commander just back from Afghanistan put it best. He said, “Talking to a 14th century Afghan villager about the government in Kabul is like talking to your cat about the dark side of the moon. You don’t know what it’s like and he doesn’t care.”
We see nominalism running all through American policy-making. Washington nominalists think Iraq is a state. It isn’t, because real power is in the hands of ethnic and religious militias. The state is merely a facade, but since it has a parliament, elections, cabinet ministers, etc. it is real to nominalists. Not surprisingly, our policy there has been a series of disasters ever since the initial disaster of invading the place.
The Washington elite’s nominalism is not restricted to foreign policy. It looks at the U.S. military the same way. If you call something an army, it must be able to fight, even though you have filled its ranks with women, made promotion depend on Political Correctness rather than military ability and given it bureaucrats for generals. When it loses a war, as it just did in Afghanistan, it must be a matter of bad luck. The fact that it ceased to be a real army decades ago is not recognized.
The Washington establishment’s civilians have been soaking in nominalism ever since they began their “education” at various elite institutions. Woe to any who pointed out that the U.N. has proven worthless in one crisis after another, that our “democratic” allies are all really oligarchies or that “human rights” vary enormously in their definition from one culture and people to another. To call an entity a state or an army or a democracy means it magically becomes one. And the magical thinking that dominates the establishment’s picture of the world leads to repeated debacles from which it learns nothing.
Ontology is bad enough when it passes for philosophy, it’s downright ludicrous as political ideology and government policy. But it’s worth questioning from whence it comes, as it ultimately derives from the “as above, so below” occultism of the pharisatanics who presently dominate the imperial capital. This belief in word spells not only describing, but defining and dictating reality is not magical thinking, it is the sort of magickal thinking utilized by those who worship the god of this world.
https://voxday.net/2021/09/01/rule-by-ontology/
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Salaam
Interesting analysis. Always good to know who your 'friends' are. MBZ not so long ago offered to kill the Taliban leadership.
Emirate 2.0 throws a major monkey wrench into the Saudi/Emirati struggle against Islamism/jihadism. Riyadh & Abu Dhabi had been making significant progress in rolling back this phenomenon in the Middle East in the decade since the Arab Spring with the most recent gain in Tunisia.
The Saudi-Emirati alliance defeated Islamists who have been backed by Turkey and Qatar. The Taliban comeback represents a major setback to the MbZ/MbS agenda in the region because it will likely energize Islamists throughout the Arab/Muslim world.
More importantly though, from the Saudi and Emirati POV, the Taliban comeback allows Turkey and Qatar to play a much larger role. And they know that Doha and Ankara are close to the Pakistanis.
The Saudis & Emiratis take comfort from the fact that neither Turkey nor Qatar has financial leverage over the Paks the way they do. So, this phone call was a reminder to Islamabad that we know you need all the help you can get but let's not get carried away.
So, the Pakistani strategy for Afghanistan is constrained by Islamabad's need to ensure that Riyadh and Abu Dhabi are on board. Another way for the U.S. to shape Emirate 2.0 without having to be directly involved.
While the Saudis and Emiratis will be able to constrain Taliban via the Pakistanis they still have the problem in the form of the psychological boost to Islamists and jihadists.
Thus, unlike their recognition of v. 1.0, KSA and UAE will drive a much harder bargain before they recognize Emirate 2.0.
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Interesting analysis. Always good to know who your 'friends' are. MBZ not so long ago offered to kill the Taliban leadership.
Emirate 2.0 throws a major monkey wrench into the Saudi/Emirati struggle against Islamism/jihadism. Riyadh & Abu Dhabi had been making significant progress in rolling back this phenomenon in the Middle East in the decade since the Arab Spring with the most recent gain in Tunisia.
The Saudi-Emirati alliance defeated Islamists who have been backed by Turkey and Qatar. The Taliban comeback represents a major setback to the MbZ/MbS agenda in the region because it will likely energize Islamists throughout the Arab/Muslim world.
More importantly though, from the Saudi and Emirati POV, the Taliban comeback allows Turkey and Qatar to play a much larger role. And they know that Doha and Ankara are close to the Pakistanis.
The Saudis & Emiratis take comfort from the fact that neither Turkey nor Qatar has financial leverage over the Paks the way they do. So, this phone call was a reminder to Islamabad that we know you need all the help you can get but let's not get carried away.
So, the Pakistani strategy for Afghanistan is constrained by Islamabad's need to ensure that Riyadh and Abu Dhabi are on board. Another way for the U.S. to shape Emirate 2.0 without having to be directly involved.
While the Saudis and Emiratis will be able to constrain Taliban via the Pakistanis they still have the problem in the form of the psychological boost to Islamists and jihadists.
Thus, unlike their recognition of v. 1.0, KSA and UAE will drive a much harder bargain before they recognize Emirate 2.0.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1434581497009348614.html
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From Junon "You misunderstand, its not 'impossible' though it will take a long time. It will have to account for how the world has changed and will have to adapt and confront new realities. We had it however imperfect in the past, it can happen again".
Please explain, the world has not changed, people have not changed, they are still full of hypocrisy and bigotry and their own code of hate. I believe a caliphate is impossible because most "Muslims" don't want it. The Zionists are using the internet, mass media and television to brain wash people into being liberals. It is a very effective insidious weapon and most of the world population will be converted.
Please explain, the world has not changed, people have not changed, they are still full of hypocrisy and bigotry and their own code of hate. I believe a caliphate is impossible because most "Muslims" don't want it. The Zionists are using the internet, mass media and television to brain wash people into being liberals. It is a very effective insidious weapon and most of the world population will be converted.
Something also increasingly seems suspect with the "New Taliban". I have noticed they have resorted to employing leftist expressions (such as "the international community")...you know the commies aren't far away when you hear THAT expression. Also in some recent news a feminist protest breaks out onto the street, Jewish internationalist media cameras all in action beaming it out to the "international community", and the Taliban just stand there like gutless wonders, treating these Western-funded feminist upstarts with kid gloves. WHY on earth would the Taliban allow it to get anywhere near as out of hand as that if they were actually genuine? Why not nip it in the bud MUCH sooner before it gets out onto the street??? Also the Taliban a week ago said they would not allow women in positions of government, later only to modify this by saying that women would not be allowed to get into senior positions of government. Seems very much like a quickly deteriorating situation.
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