the difference between islam and christianity ....

The evidence to prove from the Qur'an that Jesus (peace be upon him) wasn't crucified is:


[Qur'an 4:156-159] "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjunction to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them."


more info.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/crucified.htm
 
marge1 said:
for an eeny beeny li'l example-the quran for instance mentions the ancient city of iram, but hostorians denied any such city. buthtne in a recent excavation of syria was it?-they found an ancient library which had the names of all the citeis thye did trade with from ancient times and the city of iram was on the list...
now how did the prophet know that?
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Good stuff

Also the Bible calls the ruler during Joesph PBUH's time a Pharoah. Historians have proven this to be historically incorrect. Now christians claim Muhammed PBUH copied the Bible, but then why did he not copy this information, and then instead correctly refer to the ruler as a King?? Logic will tell you there is no reason or way he could have know...could only have been a revelation from the All-Knowing
 
marge1 said:
for an eeny beeny li'l example-the quran for instance mentions the ancient city of iram, but hostorians denied any such city. buthtne in a recent excavation of syria was it?-they found an ancient library which had the names of all the citeis thye did trade with from ancient times and the city of iram was on the list...
now how did the prophet know that?
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I'm not denying Mohammed heard voices, I really believe he did hear them...but messages can be given from other sources than Angels..
 
Nicola said:
I'm not denying Mohammed heard voices, I really believe he did hear them...but messages can be given from other sources than Angels..
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would you mind naming the 'other sources'? and why would the most truthful (even his enemies admitted to this) lie?
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
The evidence to prove from the Qur'an that Jesus (peace be upon him) wasn't crucified is:


[Qur'an 4:156-159] "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjunction to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them."]
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sorry you can keep quoting the Quran but that isn't independant. We have many independant sources non bibical ...that state Jesus was crucified.


more info.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/crucified.htm[/font

yes a great site..
 
Muslim Soldier said:
and do you have any evidence of the day of judgement?
any evidence Jesus was crucified?
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The prophet Isa(as) told them so if anyone about the Day of Judgement. Christians love their prophet so much and claim he will give them salvation well i think it is a bit inconsiderate to change the words he spoke (no offence to those decent Christians out there who mean no harm and when the Qur'an is recited to them say "we believe" and the tears fall from their eyes.)
(Marge1 tell them about the tablets that were found from the point of view of Isa(as) in that book you read.
Muslim Soldier said:
and there is evidence Muhammad was talking to Gabriel. If I remember right it was posted before.
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Yeah but some people like to ignore things they cannot accept.
Isa(as) is more our prophet than yours. He was a muslim cos he submitted to Allah and he will desend from the heavens, slay Dajjal and live amongst us, the true Muslims who believe in him and do not make false accusations about him Insha'Allah.
 
marge1 said:
would you mind naming the 'other sources'? and why would the most truthful (even his enemies admitted to this) lie?
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other sources know many things... that go on in this world...but they are not of this world.

I don't believe you realise the spiritual warfare that is going on right now.
 
Nicola said:
I'm not denying Mohammed heard voices, I really believe he did hear them...but messages can be given from other sources than Angels..
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Therefore continue to remind, for by the grace of your Lord, you are not a soothsayer, or a madman. (Qur'an 52:29)

 
Nicola said:
other sources know many things... that go on in this world...but they are not of this world.

I don't believe you realise the spiritual warfare that is going on right now.
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Who else are you claiming spoke to him if not the Angel?
 
Ayesha Rana said:
Yeah but some people like to ignore things they cannot accept.
Isa(as) is more our prophet than yours. He was a muslim cos he submitted to Allah and he will desend from the heavens, slay Dajjal and live amongst us, the true Muslims who believe in him and do not make false accusations about him Insha'Allah.
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tell me why didn't God use the word Muslim from the begining when he named Jacob Israel for instance...why not name him Muslim...he was submitting to God after all..

where did this name come from Muslim.
I know what it means...But I want to know where the name comes from. and why after six hundred and odd years after Jesus...why not before.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:


Therefore continue to remind, for by the grace of your Lord, you are not a soothsayer, or a madman. (Qur'an 52:29)
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do you expect the source that spoke to Mohammed... to say anything else than that.
again that is not proof...it's just means...don't even think for yourself ...do not even question me.
 
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First of all, muslim just means a submitter to God. Therefore all the believers were actually called muslims, except in hebrew - it may be used in another term but with the same definition.

Jacob was called Ya'qub [which is closer in arabic than it is in the english context, because arabic and hebrew are sister languages], and he was a muslim, but lets say for instance - you're occupation is being a 'carer', but this doesn't mean that you're name is 'carer' - but its Nicola. The same way Jacob (peace be upon him) was named Ya'qub, but his name wasn't muslim.


Reffering to the verses that i am posting, they are sufficient as a proof to us that all these accusations that the disbelievers have tried attacking our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) with, were all used on Muhammad (peace be upon him) and therefore they have all been refuted in the Qur'an as a form of revelation and reassurance to the Prophet (peace be upon him) from God.


Peace.
 
HeiGou said:
Not that awful site again. Anyway.

Would you agree there is no evidence apart from the Quran (and perhaps a few aHadith) that Jesus was not crucified?
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The same can be said to the christians, is there any proof that Jesus was actually crucified?
 
Moss said:
Also the Bible calls the ruler during Joesph PBUH's time a Pharoah. Historians have proven this to be historically incorrect. Now christians claim Muhammed PBUH copied the Bible, but then why did he not copy this information, and then instead correctly refer to the ruler as a King?? Logic will tell you there is no reason or way he could have know...could only have been a revelation from the All-Knowing
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I think you will find that the Bible called the ruler of Egypt in Joseph's time a Pharoah, as did the Egyptians at the time, and if the Quran did not I would be very surprised. As someone said after they shot someone else, "I have killed Pharoah".
 

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