Why do you live in the West if you hate it so?

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Gibson whats the reason that sheikh gave for stating that?
I dont feel hatred of enmity towards kaafir unless they go against my beliefs, then i just digust there actions but not them. Its the sin i hate not the sinner!

:peace:

PS: Make dua i also wish to move asap, preferably to saudi, if not then sharjah or egypt or sumthin :)
 
Abd'Majid said:
Oh and the west has never helped muslim countries improve, i shud also mention that
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Never? No US aid has ever gone to a Muslim country or at least never helped it at all? No Westerners have ever built institutions of Higher education in the Middle East which have helped Muslims - like the American University in Cairo for instance? No trade with the West has ever made Muslims richer? No military intervention by the West has ever helped a Muslim country?

Keep saying that. It is a sure way to make sure none will ever try again.
 
Greetings,
Abd'Majid said:
Gibson whats the reason that sheikh gave for stating that?
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I have no idea. It reads like a simple case of promoting hatred.

I dont feel hatred of enmity towards kaafir unless they go against my beliefs, then i just digust there actions but not them. Its the sin i hate not the sinner!
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That's certainly admirable. On this point I definitely agree with you and not with the sheikh, whose ideas I find positively disturbing.

PS: Make dua i also wish to move asap, preferably to saudi, if not then sharjah or egypt or sumthin :)
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I've lost count of the number of Muslims on this thread who've said things like this. Why live in the West in the first place?

Peace
 
HeiGou said:
Never? No US aid has ever gone to a Muslim country or at least never helped it at all? No Westerners have ever built institutions of Higher education in the Middle East which have helped Muslims - like the American University in Cairo for instance? No trade with the West has ever made Muslims richer? No military intervention by the West has ever helped a Muslim country?

Keep saying that. It is a sure way to make sure none will ever try again.
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:offended: i was only thinking about the destruction in iraq, but look they say they are trying to help but instead they leave iraqi's in total and utter chaos, and whats with the whole gitmo business, and whys most of them muslim in gitmo :anger:
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,



How many people here fulfil that condition?

Peace
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i completely disagree with the sheikh on the second condition as we have no rite to hate the kufrs coz at the end of da day we aint the judges of who is decent and who is not. i kno a lot of non-muslims who are very decent than some so-caled muslims, and i do hav friend who aint muslims!
 
Muslims drew the first map of the world! and they labeled S up or what is know today as N and labeled N as what is known today as S... Therefore E was known as W and W was known as E.... :giggling:

So I do not even live in the West! In reference to the Islamic Map we are living in the East! :happy:
 
R_Mujahed said:
Muslims drew the first map of the world! and they labeled S up or what is know today as N and labeled N as what is known today as S... Therefore E was known as W and W was known as E.... :giggling:

So I do not even live in the West! In reference to the Islamic Map we are living in the East! :happy:
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Really? Do you have a source for this statement?

For all those born in western countries and who wish to leave soon (because of your dislike) why did your parents (or grand parents…etc), assuming they too are Muslims come to the west in the first place?
 
j4763 said:
Really? Do you have a source for this statement?

For all those born in western countries and who wish to leave soon (because of your dislike) why did your parents (or grand parents…etc), assuming they too are Muslims come to the west in the first place?
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Addressing the off topic question first. A map is a navigation tool. A person makes and uses a map to get from point A to point B. To be of value a map has to be oriented to the current knowledge of those who will be using it. Makes sense that a map from that area of the world and that particular time would be oriented South as most travels and exploration would have been in a southerly route.

Now, for those Muslims who gripe about a Country and do not leave it. That is not even a Muslim issue. All people have complaints about their local governments. If they can tolerate what they do not like, they do nothing. If the conditions are intolerable they will first try to change the system. If they discover they can't change it, they do leave, if they are able to.
 
this isnt about hating the west its the ideals that come from the west...just ebacuse i dont beleive in the goverments way of thinking does not mean i will leave. instead i will tell the people the truth about the ones who lead them and spread the word about the truth that they unleash in there name in the middle east...

"just beacuse a fruit from a tree is bad you do not cut down the tree"

people who are white and black have a problem with the way the west acts around the world will you tell them to leave aswell!? then dont tell us...

we like them wish for there to be peace in the world and dont want this goverment or any other commiting injustices around the world in our name...

if you like there polcies so much why dont you go fight in iraq!
 
For all those born in western countries and who wish to leave soon (because of your dislike) why did your parents (or grand parents…etc), assuming they too are Muslims come to the west in the first place?[/QUOTE]


who's leaving?:uhwhat
 
ya_Giney said:
For all those born in western countries and who wish to leave soon (because of your dislike) why did your parents (or grand parents…etc), assuming they too are Muslims come to the west in the first place?
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who's leaving?:uhwhat
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All the ones who have stated throughout this thread that they will be "hopefully" leaving Britian or the west for some muslim country, thats who!
 
ya_Giney said:
For all those born in western countries and who wish to leave soon (because of your dislike) why did your parents (or grand parents…etc), assuming they too are Muslims come to the west in the first place?
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who's leaving?:uhwhat[/QUOTE]

:sl:

Inshallah I'll make hijra simple reason fear for my iman.
 
Rou said:
this isnt about hating the west its the ideals that come from the west...just ebacuse i dont beleive in the goverments way of thinking does not mean i will leave.
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This isn't about the western gov, but about the western society.

instead i will tell the people the truth about the ones who lead them and spread the word about the truth that they unleash in there name in the middle east...
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If you say so...

"just beacuse a fruit from a tree is bad you do not cut down the tree"
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No, but you woudn't eat that fruit either would you?

people who are white and black have a problem with the way the west acts around the world will you tell them to leave aswell!? then dont tell us...
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People of all race's are happy to live in the west, Islam is not a race.

we like them wish for there to be peace in the world and dont want this goverment or any other commiting injustices around the world in our name...
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Dont we all (yes even westerners).

if you like there polcies so much why dont you go fight in iraq!
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I like the west way of life, the freedom. Not there polcies, that why i vote (and can) against them.
 
j4763 said:
This isn't about the western gov, but about the western society.



If you say so...



No, but you woudn't eat that fruit either would you?

EXACTLY! we arnt leaving the country HOWEVER doesnt mean we accept all the gov stuff either u get it!!!!!!!!!!!:rollseyes
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