Flying the Flag for England? wots the flag rrepresenting? have any idea....

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So how many of you would anyone go out dressed like the "KKK" Why not may I ask? Even though they aint that well known anymore like they were back in the day History is History and has a meaning!
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Good question. However, the KKK are more well known. The crusades also have a meaning too, but very few care about the england flag as a representation for them. All it represents now is the football team.
 
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Brother islam-truth, we don't need to argue over petty arguments like this. If we keep arguing over matters that are already proved, then we should focus on the more serios issues that seriosly affect the ummah.


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That is true.
Evryone please remember that we should speak to each other with kindness.
W'salaam
 
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Brother islam-truth, we don't need to argue over petty arguments like this. If we keep arguing over matters that are already proved, then we should focus on the more serios issues that seriosly affect the ummah.


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I agree bro but they also seem to cause controversy seems you can never win.
 
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I dislike these flag topics. I've read and heard again and again that we as Muslims aren't supposed to fly any flag, which, I guess, is because it can promote a sort of tribal mentality, which in turn promotes disunity.


























On the other hand, if one must fly a flag, try this one:

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salaam.....although i feel for you that you are very much disturbed by the english flag.....the purpose of flags is to represent a country, nation...in which many religions live in.....the flag of england only represents the country in which the muslim ummah also live in and are part of...therefore showing the flag off doesnt result them disbeying their religion but more further bringing peace between each other as the christains and people of other religions would realise tht even muslims are dedicated to supporting their country....
and the past facts of the country......thts the past.....as they say bury the hatchet and move on.....bringing up the past is just putting salt into healed wounds....islam = peace..let it be
salaam sister hpe i ddint offend u :)
 
hey guys ass salamu alaykum ..

i don't wanna go into a battle either but.... isn't the england flag consistent of the cross of saint george of david or sumthing!!...so it'd be haram for us to carry it around and put it up cause there's a cross on it right like it's haram for us to wear it around our beck or any wear else....!

wa aalykum ass salaam
 
Re: Flying the Flag for England? wots the flag representing? have any idea....

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very interesting replies, i was quiet nervous myself to post this thread in the fisrt place, as i felt some arguements will occur thru the post....

well am very, truly sorry behalf of all members...see i couldnt sleep..its like 12.30am in london...

yes i do agree wid u all, its a past and us muslims should move on....looking at the past doesnt bring any comfort at all, we shud be focus on wots happening now to our ummah, try to solve that inshalah!

AS some sed to me...we shud try to learn something from the past, and improve ourselves inshalah!

The reason i posted this, well i was in whitechaple...my fellow muslims brothers handed the leaflet to moi, i thought it mite be useful to share it wid u all...to hear ur views against this....

okay one more thing..hope am not offending anyone...the fact that people are calling muslims terriorist..is this the past??? should that be let go? bury the past? or is it the carrier of the past?

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okay one more thing..hope am not offending anyone...the fact that people are calling muslims terriorist..is this the past??? should that be let go? bury the past? or is it the carrier of the past?
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Asalam alaikum Sister Helena.

Well,..there are still Terrorists out there who identify themselves as Muslims.

So no,It isnt the past,it is something that occurs daily.

So i dont see how it can be buried,or let go of.

Wa'salaam.

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out of curiosity is the england flag that we see everywhere england george cross flag. meaning does it not have a cross on it? The red cross appeared in the crusades and is one of the earliest known emblems representing England. The flag is derived from that of the Knights Templar.

so how can we go around waving this flag?

how many of us wave the banner of the saudi flag which testifies that there is only one god and muhammed is his messenger? can we do this without feeling funny and looking odd?
 
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out of curiosity is the england flag that we see everywhere england george cross flag. meaning does it not have a cross on it? The red cross appeared in the crusades and is one of the earliest known emblems representing England. The flag is derived from that of the Knights Templar.

so how can we go around waving this flag?

how many of us wave the banner of the saudi flag which testifies that there is only one god and muhammed is his messenger? can we do this without feeling funny and looking odd?
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^^salaams akhee , that's exactly what i was thinking!!...it's the St George's cross so how could a muslim hang it around ..
 
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To all complainers of the flag:
It's the flag of england - you have a problem, go tell the queen and get a petition up and running. Then watch it fail. If you don't like it, you might as well leave the country - there are some things that you cannot change (like this flag thing) so don't get worked up about it. Alternatively, you could just let it be.

Look, I dislike the crusades just as much as everyone else but you don't see me complaining: I take it all in a stride and get on with my life - i care not for these little things but instead concentrate on following islam and going far in this world. Perhaps others should do the same.

p.s; if I complained about every tiny little wrong doing or unethical decision ever made, I would be a very bitter man and probably would've had a nervous break-down.
 
salaams akhee ,

I ain't got a problem with the flag so there'll be no need for a petition!!! OR getting outta the country!! *rollseyes*
i was just merely answering the topic of the thread "what the flag reprensent""....which is the cross st george and how it's wrong for muslims..to hang and wave it around!!.......:?:?
 
Aside from all the nationality issues and crusades the cross represents the crucifiction of Jesus Christ, something that contradicts the Qu'ran because we muslims believe Jesus wasn't crucified. At the end of the day it is your choice whether you wantto fly the flag but I would suggest doing all the research before you do so.

For those saying forget it, it's in the past is past shouldn't affect us now if I was to do that how could I leanr about my deen? wasn't that also in the past?

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It's not so much a problem with the flag, since if the english want it as their flag, that is their choice. The problem is Muslims brandishing the flag in support of the country, which, although may have innocent intentions, can imply various other meanings. Such meanings are not merely restricted to historical events - which of itself seems enough a reason to avoid the act in question - but also include the representation of the Christian faith.

The initial article mentions the other reasons as being:

It is reported that Ayesha (ra) said: “The Prophet (saw) would not leave anything in his house on which there was a cross but he would alter it.” [Bukhari]
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Furthermore the Messenger of Allah (saw) said; “whoever imitates a people is one of them”. Imitating the kuffar in their deen is an act of kufr and this is what holding up, waving or displaying the Christian cross (i.e. the St George Flag) amounts to.
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So whoever disagrees with this article, that is your personal choice and conclusion. Yet I don't think it is right to criticize those who are in agreement with it and choose to avoid a possible wrong action, especially when there isn't even a need to buy the flag in the first place.

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salaams akhee ,

I ain't got a problem with the flag so there'll be no need for a petition!!! OR getting outta the country!! *rollseyes*
i was just merely answering the topic of the thread "what the flag reprensent""....which is the cross st george and how it's wrong for muslims..to hang and wave it around!!.......
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Then my post didn't concern you :).

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For those saying forget it, it's in the past is past shouldn't affect us now if I was to do that how could I leanr about my deen? wasn't that also in the past?

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I was refering to the negative side of the past. Remain positive, not negative and you'll live a happy life.

I agree with Muhammad's view point.
 
exactly brother amir. no ones is complaining about the falg because it belongs to britain, the issues lie deeper. into the difference of understanding and how and what the flag represents, meaning should muslims really be flying around flags which contradict the quran and are a sign of kufr. and why is that when someone has an issue with the country or britain people jump on the band waggon and say well why dont you leave???????? is this not a democarcy that brothers like to praise? can you not have an objection based on religious grounds, because thats what it is for most people, not just because its a british flag, without being labbeled fanatics.

the point im trying to make is that on religious grounds it is wrong to wave the benner of which contradicts our religious belief. and to make it clear hwoever strong the arghument on nationlism, mines is not based on nationalism, rather on religious grounds.
 
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