snakelegs
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[MOUSE]are you for real??[/MOUSE]
if you are, i apologize in advance for my question.
My situation..help please
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if you are, i apologize in advance for my question.
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lol afraid he was hopefully from the rationale advice we gave him he can let some common sense simmer. no offense :rollseyes
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lol common sense? haha yea u guys need it
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i'm not offended. but i see posts like this (and i've seen them before) and i always wonder: how could this guy be for real? it's just a little bit overdone....toooo much. you see that kind of game playing on the internet - recently we had 2 different people who said they were israeli and that were sooo hateful, too much. they've been banned since. i woulda bet you 50% that they were bogus. so, i just have a feeling this guy isn't even muslim.
yeah, i know - this says more about me being suspicious than about him.
but i do realize i could be very wrong - that's why i apologize in advance if he really is. ;D
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I AM MUSLIM. WHAT IS WRONG? DO I SOUND FAKE? how do i sound fake, im serious
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this is why i apologized in advance - because i am very well aware that i could be totally wrong.
how do you sound fake?
well, this is how you sound like a fake to me:
you say you are a muslim over and over.
i can't really imagine that a rational muslim would think of a girl as "filthy" just because she kissed 3 guys when she was 15. especially a girl that now wants to be a good muslim.
excuse me, if i'm wrong - but you asked me why i thought you sound fake.
once again - if i'm wrong, please forgive me for being a fool.
edit: i had typed 5 instead of 15!
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snakelegs
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this is an excellent example of why i think you're a fake. i've know some nutty muslims before - but i've never run into one this nutty.
if you are for real, i think you need professional help.
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Snakelegs and CrystalforPeace, I definitely agree with you both! By American standards that girl is cleaner than bleach lol. Also, brother who started this thread, don't you think she would be offended by what you have said about her?!?! If I was her and had read your post, I would say "Forget it!"
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snakelegs ur being more mean then me now lol he is only 18 remember and from an islamic country, he isnt used to how people are here even if to our standards a virgin who kissed someone some time ago and attended a few parties is anything but filthy and being she wants to become a muslim he shouldnt of used that word so to say, he shouldnt of made such a harsh statement but you shouldnt be ridiculing him as well and neither should i have.
and again [BANANA]dont have a cow[/BANANA]
and again [BANANA]dont have a cow[/BANANA]
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yea it would certainly make me run for the hills, thank God i found a guy who understands and isnt so judgmental but calling someone dirty isnt a sure way to talk about someone u want to marry +o(
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Me too! My hubsand and I met during our partying time, so by the time we both reverted, we knew what the had done. Alhumdulillah for good, understanding men.
Bro....My advice to you is, leave her for the sake of Allah.
I've left many things for Allah......Onlt to find something better lying in wait for me.......
That is the path only for those who love Allah and are willing to give up everything for Allah......If you can't do that, then this is for you:
Seek help through patience and prayer. Ask her, not to give up her ways instantly, but slowly show her the right path, to show her the right path, you must be a good role model to her, you are her only guide at the moment....
I would have said sme negative things, but that doesn't matter....just try to do what I told you....
I've left many things for Allah......Onlt to find something better lying in wait for me.......
That is the path only for those who love Allah and are willing to give up everything for Allah......If you can't do that, then this is for you:
Seek help through patience and prayer. Ask her, not to give up her ways instantly, but slowly show her the right path, to show her the right path, you must be a good role model to her, you are her only guide at the moment....
I would have said sme negative things, but that doesn't matter....just try to do what I told you....
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Here too...most of the men could not accept a girl that is not virgin...
But not that they are so pure...or 'clean' (whatever that mean). And even some of them are to be blame cause making the girl 'unclean (again whatever that mean).
IMHO, i think they should look at themselves first...before they are choosing a wife. They should not expect too much on a wife to be...if they themselves are not that 'clean' (whatever that mean).
But not that they are so pure...or 'clean' (whatever that mean). And even some of them are to be blame cause making the girl 'unclean (again whatever that mean).
IMHO, i think they should look at themselves first...before they are choosing a wife. They should not expect too much on a wife to be...if they themselves are not that 'clean' (whatever that mean).
Bro, you should forgive her past and guide her to be a better person slowly.
That girl sounds good enough for me. I am a Muslim still I used to kiss my ex hold hands hugging etc. But I regret that now. Now I have a new boyfriend we really try as much as possible to not cross the lines because of God.
Therefore I advice you, anyone has a past. But we don't know the future. You might be a Muslim now, who knows what happens later in our life. May God guide us all the way.
Think carefully why you really love her. Only you and God knows. I hope you will make the best decision and don't forget to ask God for help. Pray for you. :thankyou:
That girl sounds good enough for me. I am a Muslim still I used to kiss my ex hold hands hugging etc. But I regret that now. Now I have a new boyfriend we really try as much as possible to not cross the lines because of God.
Therefore I advice you, anyone has a past. But we don't know the future. You might be a Muslim now, who knows what happens later in our life. May God guide us all the way.
Think carefully why you really love her. Only you and God knows. I hope you will make the best decision and don't forget to ask God for help. Pray for you. :thankyou:
I was trying soooooooooooo hard not to say that....:heated:
It maybe disallowed.....arghhh.....I don't have any other advice on this matter either to have the nikah(married) or just to quit the dating...:-\
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What is required to accept and convert to Islam
Question:
I have a dear friend that has converted to Islam. I am in support of her decision, but would like to understand the way this religion goes about dating. Could you explain the process?
Also, how does one go about converting to Islam?
What is the process?
How long does it take?
Answer:
To the venerable Ms. (name withheld) (may Allah protect you from every evil), Please accept from me a good-intentioned greeting!
I was extremely pleased to receive your questions regarding the nature of the relationship between men and women in Islam and how one goes about embracing this religion. I also commend and appreciate your wise and mature sense of judgment in supporting your friend's decision to accept Islam. It shows admirable wisdom and a balanced sense of sagacity and understanding of this blessed event.
Regarding the issue of dating in Islam, one must first define what is meant by "dating." If it is understood to mean how a man and a woman get to know each other for the purpose of marriage, then there are certain guidelines and established procedures which can be discussed. However, if it is understood to refer to casual relationships between men and women who for the purpose of "fun" or "going out" and the such, then there is no provision for this in Islam. Such a situation is not considered respectful for neither the man nor the woman, nor is it constructive for the concept or the building of the family or society or social responsibility. Opening the door to relationships of love and infatuation and passion and pre-marital sex is categorically prohibited in Islam. It does not lead to the establishment of a family nor to proper and virtuous upbringing of children nor to stability and mutual care and tranquility and peace of mind between a man and woman. Rather, it leads to disorder, the disgracing of one's honor and dignity, and to a lifestyle similar to that of animals, and to that of illegitimate children who are subjected to life of vagrancy and loss. (Please see question # 61 which addresses the issue of prohibition of pre-marital relationships).
As for the former case, regarding how a man and a woman come to know each other for the purpose of marriage, it varies from circumstance to circumstance. Normally if a man has the desire to marry and has the ability to accept the responsibility, and he does not have anyone in mind, he will ask his friends, family, and relatives if there is a lady that may be suitable for him and his expectations among their acquaintances and relatives. If someone is suggested, he normally asks about her extensively, about her religious observance, her personality, her knowledge, strengths, weaknesses, suitability as a wife willing to accept all the relevant responsibities, etc. If preliminary information seems appealing, then normally she is told that there is someone interested in meeting her and she is likewise given relevant information about him.
At this point, assuming the man and the woman as well as both families involved agree that there is potential, then the man usually visits the woman's family, often accompanied by members of his own. They are given the opportunity to see each other and sit and talk together, to converse modestly (but not in complete solitude) regarding whatever is relevant to making an informed judgment. The intention for this meeting should be for them to be able to make a decision whether or not they feel are mutually suitable. Afterwards, they each evaluate their own and their families' reactions, and pray to Allah that He guides them to what is in their best interest, and to make them accept the outcome. When both sides feel comfortable and feel they know everything they need to, based on all that has been mentioned such as asking about the other person, knowing their family, meeting in person, etc., they can make a final decision whether to carry on with marriage or not.
As for your second question regarding the procedure for embracing the religion of Islam, it is actually an extremely simple process, without complication or prolongment. This is because it is something between a person and his Lord and there are no other parties involved. All that is required of a person in order to embrace Islam is that he or she pronounce the two testaments of belief in the Islamic creed, believing in their meaning, then to take a complete bath with the intention of (ritual) purification in order to start performing prayers (note to ensure complete cleanliness one should shave pubic and under-arm hair, and a man should be circumcized if he is not already--Islam places great emphasis on proper hygiene and personal cleanliness).
As for the two testimonies of creed, the first is "ash-hadu an laa ilaaha illa allah" (I testify that there is no deity other then Allah), which means that one believes and confirms that there is nothing to be worshipped other than Allah and that one is prepared to implement His divine rulings and guidlines (shari'a) for all aspects of life. The second is "ash-hadu anna muhammad ar-rasool ullah" which means the belief that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the seal of the prophets (i.e. the final one), whom Allah has sent with the Islamic religion to supercede all other previous religions and that it is obligatory to comply with what he has enjoined, and to abstain and renounce all that he has prohibited and restrained.
I tend to gather from your question that there is a degree of pondering on your part or inclination towards embracing the Islamic religion, joining the example of your friend. I would invite you to carry through with it without excessive delay and reluctance, for one does not know when one's fate will come. So why not meet one's unavoidable fate as a believer in Allah (God) and the Hereafter, a member of the religion of Islam? It is the religion which Allah has specified that He will not accept any other religion besides it, and He will not save anyone from Hell besides its followers. And no doubt that this step will be the greatest thing ever that you will have experienced during your 33 years of life. Surely you will not regret it at all and Allah will help you to surmount the difficulties you perhaps may face in your path after accepting Islam, such as the scorn of some relatives or family members or the alientation of some friends. However, the step in fulfilling your destiny is much more important and significant that all this.
We pray for you to be bestowed with grace, and may Allah guide you to success in what is the most true and right.
Waiting for glad tidings in the near future, may Allah guard and protect you.
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What is required to accept and convert to Islam
Question:
I have a dear friend that has converted to Islam. I am in support of her decision, but would like to understand the way this religion goes about dating. Could you explain the process?
Also, how does one go about converting to Islam?
What is the process?
How long does it take?
Answer:
To the venerable Ms. (name withheld) (may Allah protect you from every evil), Please accept from me a good-intentioned greeting!
I was extremely pleased to receive your questions regarding the nature of the relationship between men and women in Islam and how one goes about embracing this religion. I also commend and appreciate your wise and mature sense of judgment in supporting your friend's decision to accept Islam. It shows admirable wisdom and a balanced sense of sagacity and understanding of this blessed event.
Regarding the issue of dating in Islam, one must first define what is meant by "dating." If it is understood to mean how a man and a woman get to know each other for the purpose of marriage, then there are certain guidelines and established procedures which can be discussed. However, if it is understood to refer to casual relationships between men and women who for the purpose of "fun" or "going out" and the such, then there is no provision for this in Islam. Such a situation is not considered respectful for neither the man nor the woman, nor is it constructive for the concept or the building of the family or society or social responsibility. Opening the door to relationships of love and infatuation and passion and pre-marital sex is categorically prohibited in Islam. It does not lead to the establishment of a family nor to proper and virtuous upbringing of children nor to stability and mutual care and tranquility and peace of mind between a man and woman. Rather, it leads to disorder, the disgracing of one's honor and dignity, and to a lifestyle similar to that of animals, and to that of illegitimate children who are subjected to life of vagrancy and loss. (Please see question # 61 which addresses the issue of prohibition of pre-marital relationships).
As for the former case, regarding how a man and a woman come to know each other for the purpose of marriage, it varies from circumstance to circumstance. Normally if a man has the desire to marry and has the ability to accept the responsibility, and he does not have anyone in mind, he will ask his friends, family, and relatives if there is a lady that may be suitable for him and his expectations among their acquaintances and relatives. If someone is suggested, he normally asks about her extensively, about her religious observance, her personality, her knowledge, strengths, weaknesses, suitability as a wife willing to accept all the relevant responsibities, etc. If preliminary information seems appealing, then normally she is told that there is someone interested in meeting her and she is likewise given relevant information about him.
At this point, assuming the man and the woman as well as both families involved agree that there is potential, then the man usually visits the woman's family, often accompanied by members of his own. They are given the opportunity to see each other and sit and talk together, to converse modestly (but not in complete solitude) regarding whatever is relevant to making an informed judgment. The intention for this meeting should be for them to be able to make a decision whether or not they feel are mutually suitable. Afterwards, they each evaluate their own and their families' reactions, and pray to Allah that He guides them to what is in their best interest, and to make them accept the outcome. When both sides feel comfortable and feel they know everything they need to, based on all that has been mentioned such as asking about the other person, knowing their family, meeting in person, etc., they can make a final decision whether to carry on with marriage or not.
As for your second question regarding the procedure for embracing the religion of Islam, it is actually an extremely simple process, without complication or prolongment. This is because it is something between a person and his Lord and there are no other parties involved. All that is required of a person in order to embrace Islam is that he or she pronounce the two testaments of belief in the Islamic creed, believing in their meaning, then to take a complete bath with the intention of (ritual) purification in order to start performing prayers (note to ensure complete cleanliness one should shave pubic and under-arm hair, and a man should be circumcized if he is not already--Islam places great emphasis on proper hygiene and personal cleanliness).
As for the two testimonies of creed, the first is "ash-hadu an laa ilaaha illa allah" (I testify that there is no deity other then Allah), which means that one believes and confirms that there is nothing to be worshipped other than Allah and that one is prepared to implement His divine rulings and guidlines (shari'a) for all aspects of life. The second is "ash-hadu anna muhammad ar-rasool ullah" which means the belief that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the seal of the prophets (i.e. the final one), whom Allah has sent with the Islamic religion to supercede all other previous religions and that it is obligatory to comply with what he has enjoined, and to abstain and renounce all that he has prohibited and restrained.
I tend to gather from your question that there is a degree of pondering on your part or inclination towards embracing the Islamic religion, joining the example of your friend. I would invite you to carry through with it without excessive delay and reluctance, for one does not know when one's fate will come. So why not meet one's unavoidable fate as a believer in Allah (God) and the Hereafter, a member of the religion of Islam? It is the religion which Allah has specified that He will not accept any other religion besides it, and He will not save anyone from Hell besides its followers. And no doubt that this step will be the greatest thing ever that you will have experienced during your 33 years of life. Surely you will not regret it at all and Allah will help you to surmount the difficulties you perhaps may face in your path after accepting Islam, such as the scorn of some relatives or family members or the alientation of some friends. However, the step in fulfilling your destiny is much more important and significant that all this.
We pray for you to be bestowed with grace, and may Allah guide you to success in what is the most true and right.
Waiting for glad tidings in the near future, may Allah guard and protect you.
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Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
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