HELP!judgement of disabled? And others

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ultimate truth said:
what is it about karma u dont agree with?
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i don't know if it is inherent, but i believe the concept of karma has been used in ways that are have a negative social impact.
if a person is disabled, it is attributed as a punishment for some sin he committed in a previous life - i think this is negative way of regarding the disabled. it gets easily turned in to "he deserves it".
as i mentioned earlier, it is sometimes used to blame the victim. a good example would be the survivors of hiroshima and nagasaki, who bore scars from the nuclear bomb. they were often shunned by society.
 
u c the fing with sikhism is the test of not judging no 1!! even tho people may be born to pay off debts of previous lifes, it doesnt mean that us as humans can judge them. this is all part n parcel of the test. Guru Nanak ji said:

ham nehee cha(n)gae buraa nehee koe ||
I am not good; no one is bad.

this in context explains if you dont see your self as good, how can any one be bad?? this is the test as a sikh, to see your self as the servent of humanity, the lowest of all.
 
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Re: HELP!judgement of disabled?

snakelegs said:
i find the concept of karma problematical, as i mentioned earlier.
couldn't hear your previous link because i have dial-up and it was going to take over an hour!
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It's a taboo subject to tackle i guess. In Sikhism one isn't supposed to think negatively of anyone. Be they good or bad! - Disabled people are the perfect examples of reincarnation (not meant as an insult) Only the Lord God knows what we have done no human can. - That does not mean we can ridicule the disabled, as this is against Gods wishes. The Guru's embraced people who were insane and were dieseased (sp) Jesus did so too, and Mohammed. Let us not get the pitchforks out over such a subject. If anyone can offer a better explanation please do so. :)

This shows us humans that all humankind are within the will of the Lord. He does as he wishes. And is accountable to none!!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh
 
Jee, this is amazing,

It is claimed, Islam does not make sense because someone is born disabled, what did he do to deserve that? and that is answered, its a test, and he will be rewarded for his disabiltiy.

Furthermore, I am just wondering, in the concept of karma does it mean have been here from infinity??

What were we born first as?

And why were we born in the way that we was the first time round?

Is there even a beggining?
 
IsaAbdullah said:
Jee, this is amazing,

It is claimed, Islam does not make sense because someone is born disabled, what did he do to deserve that? and that is answered, its a test, and he will be rewarded for his disabiltiy.

Furthermore, I am just wondering, in the concept of karma does it mean have been here from infinity??

What were we born first as?

And why were we born in the way that we was the first time round?

Is there even a beggining?
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We believe the Lord to be the most powerful, so he does not need to explain all that we question. I couldn't tell you what my past life was and as what. This is beyond our knowing. - No this is not our 'get out clause.' I'm sure you as a muslim believe God has the right to reveal what he chooses only!

If not, then you explain why people are disbaled?
 
We've already explained that Allaah tests people in different ways. Some are tested through health, while others are through wealth, others through other means. Everything we experience in the world (whether its good or bad) is a form of test to see if we will stay firm on our covenant with Allaah Almighty.


In the end, we will be brought back to Him, the Lord of the Worlds - to judge between us on all that we did. And Allaah Almighty knows best.



Peace.
 
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there is some wisdome in those words. People dont fully recognize God, they forget him a LOT, yet his always there. Its a sad state indeed which we're all guilty of.

Audhubillah, may Allah give us guidance !!!
 
Gurfateh!

sikhs believe that the soul is immortal. there is evidence in the Guru Granth Sahib ji to support theory of evolution. It is described as God play. when ever he decides for the human to take form, and what to do with it, it happens. there are very detailed descriptions in how the world began in sikhi. even descriptions on the galaxies. this is at a time when people thought the world was flat. im not trying to preach my religion, rather jus state what i have found. as i did also look into islam for answers. sorry if i have offended any one. the theory of reincarnation goes in hand with inesteins theory of enery. cant be destroyed or created, just changes from one form to another. the forms are decided from actions. it is when reaching the human life concious decisions can be made, and is the oppertunity to break out of life cycle.
 
Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?​
(Qur'an 21:30)​



It is He who created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then from a clinging clot; then He brings you out as a child; then [He develops you] that you reach your [time of] maturity, then [further] that you become elders. And among you is he who is taken in death before [that], so that you reach a specified term; and perhaps you will use reason.

He it is who gives life and causes death; and when He decrees a matter, He but says to it, "Be," and it is.


[Qur'an 40:67-68]​




The Qur'an was revealed before the Guru Grant Sahib. I don't mean to offend you, but people could use the argument that he used the Qur'an to get his works. But Allaah Almighty know's best.



Peace.
 
there are many scientific facts that the Guru Granth Sahib ji has revealed that in that day and age no one would ever believe. things such as being he world being a globe. the fact that there are millions of universes. it supports the evolution theory. sperm and egg forming the body.

sikhi teaches and talks of things such as paradise. sikhs aim for a target higher then paradise. paradise is still seen as apart of maya (dillusion) in sikhi. the test is to overcome the 5 thieves, one of them being lust. sikhs ultimate goal is to become one with God. and step out of the worldy pleasures, and realise the true pleasure.
 
but the Quran revealed all those before the guru, and the quran not only specified it as round or spherical but as SHAPED LIKE THE EGG OF AN OSTRICH ! That was extremely accurate. Also all the other points you made and FAR MORE the Quran described them all !

Ultimate Truth, you have the beliefs of a muslim as it seems, so become a muslim ;)
 
have you got evidence of these quotes?? i dont like the idea of paradise after death, the having virgin part. sikhism seems so pure to me. not sayin islam isnt. its a religion devout to serving humanity, it welcomes all no matter what background you belong 2!
 
It's explained in the Qur'an how the earth isn't just a sphere, but how its shaped in the form of an ostrich egg [which is even more accurate] because the world is fat in the center, and it is more egg shaped than just a normal sphere shape. The Qur'an came before the guru granth sahib by the way. :)


Also, we are told to stay away from the things that Allaah has forbidden for us, and He has forbidden them for us so we don't fall into harm. Allaah Almighty out of His Mercy has also made alot of things permissible for us - so we can enjoy this life, but we shouldn't go to the extent of preferring this world over the eternal hereafter because that could lead to falling into sin and disobeying Allaah, the Most Wise.


The paradise of the hereafter is real, and psychology shows that humans need positive reinforcement to obey. Negative reinforcement and also punishment can be used [so this can be explained by the punishment of hellfire and the reward of paradise [eternal pleasure.] And Allaah Almighty know's best.




Peace. :)
 
have you got evidence of there being millions of galaxies? or that the universe is expanding? or the world being a globe shape?
 
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Thats an ostrich egg brother. :)



Peace.
 
With power did We construct the heaven. Verily, We are Able to extend the vastness of space thereof. (Qur'an 51:47)


[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, ariel]Heaven' is the translation of the word sama' and this is exactly the extra-terrestrial world that is meant. 'We are expanding it' is the translation of the plural present participle musi'una of the verb ausa'a meaning 'to make wider, more spacious, to extend, to expand'.


More info:
http://www.islamicity.com/Science/Expansion.shtml
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