Iranian-American Student Abused By UCLA UCPD With Tazer GUN

[GARY]

Did you not read what I posted? He agreed to leave after shutting of the computer. He was grabbed by the cops ON HIS WAY OUT. Anybody in his position would be pissed when the cops grab his arms and arrest him FOR NO REASON. Where does it say he was avoiding being removed?? Did you not see the video when he was yelling in desperation that he was leaving?? Quit being delusional. The kid even had a medical condition.

That is one account of what happened. If we are going to be fair we should veiw both sides of what happened. The video does not show how it started.

Do you even know how much it hurts to get tasered? No, you don’t. The kid CANNOT stand up because his legs were flexed!! No sane person would be stubborn enough to endure the pain of a taser 6 times. There are no conflicting reports……the video and the eye-witness accounts of the students and alumnus already reflects a clear picture of the incident.

LOL! Actually, I do know what it is like. It is extremely unpleasant. But it does not leave you unable to move afterwards, although it does rattle your cage. You feel very "anxious" afterwards.

There are no conflicting reports……

Yes, there are. Please read back in the thread.

Despite the fact that reports refute your scenario, why would a kid be defiant over a silly ID card?? It is obvious the polices for scumbags and deserved to be sued. I have access to the kid’s facebook and I don’t see the images to be pleasant.

I don't have a scenario. I propose that both are quite possible. He would be defiant just to be rebellious. You mean you have never seen people do this? I have seen this many times. It of course makes no sense, yet people do it. There was a time when I myself have been quite rebellious, and scuffled with police. I think back on those times and realize that the police did what they needed to do, and I deserved to be roughed up (as I was).

 

[KAding]

LOL, I'll take the accounts of first hand witnesses over the accounts of the cops anyday. Did you know that kid also had a medical condition which he told the cops about when they grabbed him?? The overwhelming majority of the sources support that the kid complied to leave and HE WAS HELD BY THE COPS ON HIS WAY OUT!! Do you not understand English?? I also noticed you haven’t bothered to even see the video or read the accounts of eye-witnesses. I admit the kid said some crazy stuff (ex. Patriot Act), but why do u expect when the cops treat u like an animal??

He did whatever a person in his position would. You’re sickening by undermining the tragedy. Also, the video evidence does not at all indicate he yelled “am I a matry” crap. He didn’t have an ID, agreed to leave after shutting the computer, and was leaving before the cops grabbed him and tasered him six times AFTER HE WAS HANDCUFFED!! This kid wasn’t even fighting. What opportunities did he have, dolt?

Look, if you can't discuss this matter without using insults I can assure you that you'll be banned soon enough, since it is against forum rules.

The video clearly shows he was being combative and assertive towards the cops. On the 'martyr crap'. Didn't you just tell me you had so much faith in witnesses?

 

[Muezzin]

Threads merged.

 

[Muslim Thinker]

Look, if you can't discuss this matter without using insults I can assure you that you'll be banned soon enough, since it is against forum rules.

Nice comeback. Why don't you try to get some concrete evidence next time before backing those abusing their authority??

The video clearly shows he was being combative and assertive towards the cops. On the 'martyr crap'. Didn't you just tell me you had so much faith in witnesses?

The video was takes after he was tasered once. So, I dont blame him for being pissed off being tasered over nothing. I have faith in witnesses, but where in the video does he say that?? Also, the overwhelming majority of the witnesses sympathize with the kid.

 

[Muezzin]

This is a highly contentious issue. Let's just not attack each other over it.

 

[GARY]

As the student was screaming, UCPD officers repeatedly told him to stand up and said "stop fighting us." The student did not stand up as the officers requested and they shot him with the Taser at least once more.

"It was the most disgusting and vile act I had ever seen in my life," said David Remesnitsky, a 2006 UCLA alumnus who witnessed the incident.

As the student and the officers were struggling, bystanders repeatedly asked the police officers to stop, and at one point officers told the gathered crowd to stand back and threatened to use a Taser on anyone who got too close.

Laila Gordy, a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident, said police officers threatened to shoot her with a Taser when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number.

Gordy was visibly upset by the incident and said other students were also disturbed.

"It's a shock that something like this can happen at UCLA," she said. "It was unnecessary what they did."

Immediately after the incident, several students began to contact local news outlets, informing them of the incident, and Remesnitsky wrote an e-mail to Interim Chancellor Norman Abrams.

^^ What are your thoughts, GARY?? These students lying??

No, I think they are reporting it exactly as they saw it. Through emotional eyes.
When a father must discipline a child, it is unpleasant for others to observe. Yet it is not a bad thing, it must be done. This crowd did not like it because it was a forceful act. The facts without the emotional parts of the statements as presented above are, 1)student was screaming and was shot with tazer when he would not stand up 2)students were told to stand back or they would also be tazered.

We don't really know what the facts were leading up to the altercation. So the only thing left here to mention is the threat to tazer other students. This is reasonable, and completely falls in line with police training. An angry crowd must be kept at a distance to avoid any others getting involved and interfering. If this were to happen then they would deserve to be tazered and arrested.

 

[Muslim Thinker]

No, I think they are reporting it exactly as they saw it. Through emotional eyes.
When a father must discipline a child, it is unpleasant for others to observe. Yet it is not a bad thing, it must be done. This crowd did not like it because it was a forceful act. The facts without the emotional parts of the statements as presented above are, 1)student was screaming and was shot with tazer when he would not stand up 2)students were told to stand back or they would also be tazered.

It's getting difficult to reason with you. The crowds did not like it because it was UNJUSTIFIED. If the student had a gun and was tasered like that, I am positive you would not see much protest.

 

[GARY]

Also, the overwhelming majority of the witnesses sympathize with the kid.

Sympathy does not come from fact. It comes from emotion. Emotion also comes from things other than fact. If the student is being very dramatic, then people are likely going to feel for him.

Again, I am not saying that it is not possible that it happened this way. Just that both scenarios are possible. We have no way of knowing.

 

[Muslim Thinker]

Sympathy does not come from fact. It comes from emotion. Emotion also comes from things other than fact. If the student is being very dramatic, then people are likely going to feel for him.

When they see something as unjustified, then they will obviously get emotional over it. I dont think the kids would be making a fuss over the incident if the kid was armed. The fact derived from the emotions of so many witnesses is that the cops were excessive in their actions.

Again, I am not saying that it is not possible that it happened this way. Just that both scenarios are possible. We have no way of knowing.

My scenario is supported with video evidence and a lost list of witnesses. Your scenario is supported with accounts of cops trying not to get suspended for their actions.

 

[GARY]

It's getting difficult to reason with you. The crowds did not like it because it was UNJUSTIFIED. If the student had a gun and was tasered like that, I am positive you would not see much protest.

Justification comes from weighing the facts, which we do not know. People's emotional testimony are not facts.
Law enforcement are not expected to meet suspects with equal force. They must meet any opposite force with greater force in order to subdue the suspect.
As I said earlier though, they could have simply dragged him out.

 

[Muslim Thinker]

Justification comes from weighing the facts, which we do not know. People's emotional testimony are not facts.

Definitely more factual than the side defending the cops. All the cops have in their support is their own account. Very factual indeed :rolls eyes:

Law enforcement are not expected to meet suspects with equal force. They must meet any opposite force with greater force in order to subdue the suspect. As I said earlier though, they could have simply dragged him out.

The two cops had the PUNY kid HANDCUFFED. There is no way the kid provided enough force for them to even consider using the taser. The kid was even yelling "Im not fighting you" in desperation.

 

[GARY]

Definitely more factual than the side defending the cops. All the cops have in their support is their own account. Very factual indeed :rolls eyes:

If you refuse to view the other sources then sure. But you certainly would be passed in the screening process for jury duty as a 'bias risk".

The two cops had the PUNY kid HANDCUFFED. There is no way the kid provided enough force for them to even consider using the taser. The kid was even yelling "Im not fighting you" in desperation.

It turns out that the kid was not as puny as we thought - 200 pounds.

The sheriff's policies expressly say deputies can't use Tasers simply to move someone.

But UCLA police are allowed to use Tasers on passive resisters as "a pain compliance technique," Assistant Chief Jeff Young said in an interview Friday.

"He was 200 pounds and went limp and was very hard to manage. They were trying to get him on his feet," Young said.

The officers used the device in stun mode — which affects only the part of the body being touched — rather than the dart mode, in which tiny electrodes are fired into a person and pass a current through them, disabling the person entirely.

source: LA Times

 

[Muslim Thinker]

If you refuse to view the other sources then sure. But you certainly would be passed in the screening process for jury duty as a 'bias risk".

I'd choose the side where better evidence leads to.

It turns out that the kid was not as puny as we thought - 200 pounds.

For an advocate of factual evidence, you are being hypocritical. The assertion is an over exaggeration of the cops. Any reliable source for his weight. Based on the way he looked in the video and the way be was jumping each time he was tasered, it is very unlikely he was 200 pounds. Remember, the reputation and job security of the cops are at stake, and I wouldnt be surprised if they slighted twisted the incident to their favor.

 

[GARY]

At any rate, if I were one of the officers, and the scenario had been that he was not co-operating, I would also have tazered him. I don't think I would have continued after he clearly was not going to get up. I would have hog-tied him and called for assistance to carry him out.

 

[Muslim Thinker]

At any rate, if I were one of the officers, and the scenario had been that he was not co-operating, I would also have tazered him. I don't think I would have continued after he clearly was not going to get up. I would have hog-tied him and called for assistance to carry him out.

Of course you would....but the thing is he WAS cooperating. I wouldve slammed a chair to the cops to save that poor kid. I cant tolerate people abusing their authority like that. It seems you're taking what the cops say as "facts," which is quite laughable considering the circumstances.

 

[GARY]

Of course you would....but the thing is he WAS cooperating. I wouldve slammed a chair to the cops to save that poor kid. I cant tolerate people abusing their authority like that. It seems you're taking what the cops say as "facts," which is quite laughable considering the circumstances.

Clearly you have not read my posts, or only read what you 'wanted to see'. Your emotional response is an example of why critical decisions are best left to people with critical thinking skills, rather than people prone to emotional responses.

he WAS cooperating.

We don't know that. If he was pissed for being questioned, he may have been pouting and having a tantrum. We don't know.

I wouldve slammed a chair to the cops to save that poor kid.

And you would have recieved a good dose of tazer and been arrested yourself, as would be deserved for such behaviour.

It seems you're taking what the cops say as "facts

No, taking as one of the possibilites.

 

[Keltoi]

Would this even be discussed on this forum if the kid wasn't an "Iranian-American" student? I realize this is a Muslim forum, but by creating a thread of this nature one is led to believe this happened because the kid was Iranian-American, and haven't seen any evidence to support this supposed racial component.

 

[GARY]

Would this even be discussed on this forum if the kid wasn't an "Iranian-American" student? I realize this is a Muslim forum, but by creating a thread of this nature one is led to believe this happened because the kid was Iranian-American, and haven't seen any evidence to support this supposed racial component.

No, it would not have been discussed. The actual racial assumption here, is that he was a muslim. Is it correct to assume that any person associated with Iran is muslim? Obviously, the connection being made to the relevance of this forum, is that he is muslim. But is he?

Tsk, Tsk. Preconceived notions are the roots of racial hatred and violence.

 

[Muslim Thinker]

Would this even be discussed on this forum if the kid wasn't an "Iranian-American" student? I realize this is a Muslim forum, but by creating a thread of this nature one is led to believe this happened because the kid was Iranian-American, and haven't seen any evidence to support this supposed racial component.

You are assuming that Muslims here care because that kid was probably a Muslim, which may be true. It is definitely not true if the victim was atheist, I would feel the same way without a doubt. I dont give preference based on religious affiliation.

 

[Muslim Thinker]

Tsk, Tsk. Preconceived notions are the roots of racial hatred and violence.

LOL, you make it ironic