Why celebrate christmas?

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i have never celebrated christmas as i'm not a christian and i don't like all the consumer madness.
but i think some here are hung up on the outer = what you see.
you see them at the cash register, but you do not see in to christians' hearts so you cannot claim to know what it means to them.
it's wrong to judge the unseen by the seen.
 
i have never celebrated christmas as i'm not a christian and i don't like all the consumer madness.
but i think some here are hung up on the outer = what you see.
you see them at the cash register, but you do not see in to christians' hearts so you cannot claim to know what it means to them.
it's wrong to judge the unseen by the seen.

Thats it, the consumers ruin christmas seriously you dont need to swap presents to enjoy and celebrate christmas :) family reunion itself is perfection
 
This was kinda weird to me.. and i wanted a Christians perspective on the meaning of the Christmas tree.

Then, maybe give a little insight to what it says in the Bible under Jeremiah 10:2-4

2 This is what the LORD says:
"Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by signs in the sky,
though the nations are terrified by them.

3 For the customs of the peoples are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.

4 They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter.

Thanks,

Kidman
 
This was kinda weird to me.. and i wanted a Christians perspective on the meaning of the Christmas tree.

Then, maybe give a little insight to what it says in the Bible under Jeremiah 10:2-4

2 This is what the LORD says:
"Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by signs in the sky,
though the nations are terrified by them.

3 For the customs of the peoples are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.

4 They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter.

Thanks,

Kidman



Sure.

First, the passage in Jeremiah was written several hundren years before Jesus was born and doesn't have any more to do with Christmas trees than it has to do with a chairs. That passage has to do with not making idols, which a Christmas tree is not. (Of course, people can turn anything into an idol if they behave that way. I once saw a young teenage boy make an idol out of his 4X4 pick-up truck, but that is another story.)

Like with all things associated with Christmas there is more than one legend as to its beginning. Here is one that I like:
The fir tree has a long association with Christianity, it began in Germany almost 1,000 years ago when St Boniface, who converted the German people to Christianity, was said to have come across a group of pagans worshipping an oak tree. In anger, St Boniface is said to have cut down the oak tree and to his amazement a young fir tree sprung up from the roots of the oak tree. St Boniface took this as a sign of the Christian faith. But it was not until the 16th century that fir trees were brought indoors at Christmas time.

You can read about some other legends in these links:

The Christmas Tree

The Social History of Christmas Ornaments

Symbols, Customs, Traditions of Christmas

Christmas Around the World


But, legend aside, we have one in our house because it is pretty. Different seasons need different decorations, and an evergreen tree is something that seems appropriate this time of year, probably because I grew up with them. The lights add some gaity to the atmosphere in the house, especially if you need glasses and take them off to look at the tree with a blurr of lights on it. Over the years the children in the house have made special ornaments, some of them are handed down from generation to generation. There is one on our tree that my mother made for me when I was born. You can guess that it has special meaning, as do the one's our own children made when they were very young. Others were collected originally as a souvenir from some special vacation spot or a gift from a friend. Each one has its own story. So, our tree looks like a hodge-podge of all sorts of different stuff, and may not have the same striking effect that some of the designer trees have to them, but there is none that fits our home and family more. It is us, our history, our family, our lives and tokens of love for each other will be placed underneath it come Christmas day.

On a side note: a few years ago, we hosted a Muslim girl in our home as an exchange student for a year. You can guess that she wasn't too excited by Christmas as we prepared for it. But that year it came just a few weeks after Ramadan, and we had kept and celebrated that with her to the fullest extent possible. So, she joined in those aspects of our Christmas celebration that did not violate her faith. And one thing she liked was the tree. The following year she was back home with her family and I wanted to send her something for Christmas (yeah, I know that sounds silly giving a Muslim something for Chrsitmas, but she is one of my kids and I was giving something to all the others, so just consider it a second birthday present -- her birthday is also in December). So, I found a small artificial tree with lights on it, but some winter (not religious) themed ornaments and mailed it to her. She thought I was crazy, but she loved it. Her family all thought it was really neat too. So, they put it up in the family room, and (not associating it with Christmas, per se) they have left it up year round.
 
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In early Christianity christmas was not a major celebration and there was no set date for a priest to say the Annual "Christ's Mass". As Christianity spred into the British Isles, there was much competition with the Druid celebrations. In spite of the influence of Christianity.

I believe it was Pope Leo or Pope Gregory who came up with the Idea to Celebrate the "Unfixed" Christian celebrations to correspond with the Druid celebrations. However, many of the Druid customs were ingrained in the culture and stayed.

Along about the mid 1800's Christmas started to be celebrated (exploited might the better word) much like it is today. Today, many of these fairly recent "traditions" are now thought of as being of Christian origin.

In reality Christmas was not considered a religious event by Christians nor was it a "Sacred" day. the only Christian and Religious part was the Roman Catholic saying of the "Christ's Mass" and that was not confined to Dec. 25. Dec. 25 was simply a time to express "Good Will" to all people and more appropriatly called Yule Time.

The secularization of Christmas is pretty much a return to it's non-religious connontations.
 
It's called money making for the companys :)

hahahaha

I think you must just be a cynic by nature. That's OK. God loves us all, the big and the tall and the small.

It's just my opinion, but I like how Woodrow put it a little better:
The secularization of Christmas is pretty much a return to it's non-religious connontations.

Woodrow, you're right. The secularization of Chrsitmas has very little to do with the religious celebration. And personally, I could do with a little less of it. But, short of moving to a country without commercial enterprise, I'm not sure how to get rid of it.
 
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One more wierd "Christmas" story. This one actually took place 30 years ago, and things have gotten worse since then.

It was the 3rd week of December and things were in what for then was full-swing decorations and shopping and all of the other ostentatious trappings of Christmas. I was listening to the local radio station in a town of about 70,000 people. They had a call in show and people were calling in to talk about everything under the sun. One person called in announcing that their church was going to have a live natvity display for those who wanted to rememeber "reason for the season" -- by that they meant the church's youth group was going to put on costumes and stand outside for a couple of hours as people walked by and they could enjoy this staged reenactment.

The next person who called in was livid with anger. I can still remember her words to this day:
"I can't believe your last caller. Christians are always trying to take over everything, and this is just another example of the church trying to horn in on Christmas too."
 
Christmas are celebrated in this condition, but why?

Trees? why?
Santa Claus? why?
Swap presents? why?
Jesus birth? why?
Christmas lights? why?
Alcohol? why?

You see when you go around shops, houses, you see all those stuffs but why?

Go to a Supermarket like Tesco, asda, all you see is Alcohol getting sold out. :?
 
Christmas are celebrated in this condition, but why?

Trees? why?
Santa Claus? why?
Swap presents? why?
Jesus birth? why?
Christmas lights? why?
Alcohol? why?

You see when you go around shops, houses, you see all those stuffs but why?

Go to a Supermarket like Tesco, asda, all you see is Alcohol getting sold out. :?


Trees, Santa Claus, swapping presents, Christmas lights, alcohol, and everything else you might put on that list -- because people create rituals and traditions of their own to associate with any and everything. Some are good, some are bad, some just are.

Jesus' birth -- because that is what Christmas is, the celebration of his birth.
None of the others mean anything one way or the other. But you miss this one and you have missed Christmas.
 
Christmas are celebrated in this condition, but why?

Trees? why?
Santa Claus? why?
Swap presents? why?
Jesus birth? why?
Christmas lights? why?
Alcohol? why?

You see when you go around shops, houses, you see all those stuffs but why?

Go to a Supermarket like Tesco, asda, all you see is Alcohol getting sold out. :?
Greetings SirDemonic

You asked very similar questions in your very first post, when you started this thread.

With all due respect, I wonder if you have read any of the 55 posts inbetween your first post and this one, that you have to ask the same questions again? :?

BTW, have you voted in my 'When somebody wishes me a Merry Christmas' poll in the General Chat section?

Peace :)
 
Greetings SirDemonic

You asked very similar questions in your very first post, when you started this thread.

With all due respect, I wonder if you have read any of the 55 posts inbetween your first post and this one, that you have to ask the same questions again? :?

BTW, have you voted in my 'When somebody wishes me a Merry Christmas' poll in the General Chat section?

Peace :)

Yeah i voted :)

Same questions, The rest of the post say why celebrate christmas,
But what has christmas lights, alcohol etc... to do with christmas? :?
 
Woodrow, you're right. The secularization of Chrsitmas has very little to do with the religious celebration. And personally, I could do with a little less of it. But, short of moving to a country without commercial enterprise, I'm not sure how to get rid of it.

I personally do not see how christian can get rid it totally. Maybe a return to the root's, and explaining what christmas is about. The voice has to be strong, authoritive and firm. No giveway or being to relax in the position.
 
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I think those of us who are not Christian would be more pleased if Christmas were celebrated as a religious holiday by more Christians. It would be more conducive for a mutual understanding as to why non-Christians avoid Christmas Celebrations.

This secular celebration is seen as being simply a use of religion to promote store sales. It is sad to see grown people judge each others faith by who can throw the best party or have the best decorations.

Christians who truly celebrate Christmas should have no problem with those of us who do not Celebrate it. We do not expect non-Muslims to Celebrate Eid nor fast during Ramadahm, and have no bad feelings towards them because they don't.
 
What's christmas?

Happy Winter Solstice. Burn the Yule whilst docorating the tree and kiss under some mistletoe.

Christmas celebration in December has never been all about Christ.

There were even periods in Christian history when celebrating "Christmas" was outlawed.

bah! I can't find it. But I have a book around here somewhere that goes over the history of Christmas celebration, starting with how the Christians initially co-opted the ancient celebration of the winter solstice.

Its gone back and forth over the ages, with the church organizations sometimes endorsing it and othertimes condemning it.
 
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