War In Africa Against Islam, Backed By Usa

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Brother,
Actually I can only speak about my own experiences. I do know that here in Austin, the Muslim Community is very active. We do lead somewhat seperate lives from the general population. But, our living is not restricted to any area of the city. We can openly protest about anything we see as interfering with Islam, with no fear of arrest.

My Daughter has no fear nor is she stared at when she wears her Hijab and niqaab while shopping. I would say that the majority of the Muslimahs here in Austin wear the niqaab and we have yet to have any instance of them being asked to remove it for any prupose. Including having the peicture taken for their driver's liscense.

Several of the local businesses now offer prayer rooms for Muslims to use during prayer times.

Many of the Muslims living in Texas have family and friends living in Palestine so far none have had any trouble sending money to them.

It is true we do have some people in Washington that are going against the wishes of the American people. But, as Islam spreads throughout the US those people will find little support from the people and will be jobless.

I actually find Austin to be more Islamic than any City I ever lived in in any Mideastern country.
 
Woodrow said:
Brother,
Actually I can only speak about my own experiences. I do know that here in Austin, the Muslim Community is very active. We do lead somewhat seperate lives from the general population. But, our living is not restricted to any area of the city. We can openly protest about anything we see as interfering with Islam, with no fear of arrest.

My Daughter has no fear nor is she stared at when she wears her Hijab and niqaab while shopping. I would say that the majority of the Muslimahs here in Austin wear the niqaab and we have yet to have any instance of them being asked to remove it for any prupose. Including having the peicture taken for their driver's liscense.

Several of the local businesses now offer prayer rooms for Muslims to use during prayer times.

Many of the Muslims living in Texas have family and friends living in Palestine so far none have had any trouble sending money to them.

It is true we do have some people in Washington that are going against the wishes of the American people. But, as Islam spreads throughout the US those people will find little support from the people and will be jobless.

I actually find Austin to be more Islamic than any City I ever lived in in any Mideastern country.
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assalaamu alaykum,

can you stand in the masjid and give a speech openly about the teachings of islam on jihad or would your imams and ulema be locked up for that same as they would be in the uk?
can you even promote the giving of zakaat to the mujahadeen without fear of arrest?

as i said they allow islam in the personal sphere but not in the full sense, in the full sense of islam being a total system they attack it, speak against it and try to stop it when they can.

they send soldiers to attack muslim nations that do try to implement islam as a full system, afghanistan and somalia being prime examples. they spend billions to support secular despots to make sure other muslim lands stay in the hands of their apostate allies.

they speak against islam as a whole system all the time, check out their speeches. all the while smiling at people like yourself and saying 'o no, not you, you're a good moderate muslim and dont call for all these things' knowing full well if you did they would arrest very quickly as they have many others.

now if you are content with half islam, 'islam-lite' then that is your choice and the choice of the people where you live but the rulings of ibn taymiyyah on such people are very clear and may Allah swt strengthen the imaan of us and not leave us content with such a personalised islam where other muslims are called by the govt's that you think give such freedoms.

those who stand up and say shariah is better than secular law, that Allah is the one to be obeyed are killed and they are killed in the name secularism and the killings are done by or sponsered by the US in particular and the west in general.

if Allah asks what you did to help the suffering of your sisters raped in afghanistan or iraq, or those sisters that are probably being raped today by ethiopian and warlord troops what will you answer?

did you even speech out? or did you keep silent and even try to defend those attacking islam as you have done so here?

i am sorry brother, you are making a major error here and i wish you didnt because on matters other than on this i have a great deal of respect for you but your error here is major and you and others need to be warned about it.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
With most of your post I have little personal experience. But, to this part:

can you stand in the masjid and give a speech openly about the teachings of islam on jihad or would your imams and ulema be locked up for that same as they would be in the uk?
can you even promote the giving of zakaat to the mujahadeen without fear of arrest?
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The answer is yes. We can even openly advocate the overthrow of the government, as long as it is not by violent means. We can ask for donations for any cause as long as we are honest about where the money is going.
 
Although the cold war is over for the most part and the Russian Empire has collapsed with the fall of communism, there is still tension between the US and the Soviet States.
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I was referring to Ethiopia.India have tried to persuade the US that we(Bangladesh) is a terrorist nation,with the help of opposition.
 
I am in agreement that the US is doing wrong in the med East. But, the Wrong is not because the people are Muslim. The wrong is not justified. But, until we can say what the wrong is and why it is occuring all people are going to hear is that we say it is a war against Islam which it is not. It is a war to keep control of the Mediterranian area.
 
Woodrow said:
With most of your post I have little personal experience. But, to this part:



The answer is yes. We can even openly advocate the overthrow of the government, as long as it is not by violent means. We can ask for donations for any cause as long as we are honest about where the money is going.
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tell it to sheikh ali tamimi!

subhanallah you know this is not true, please why do you try to convince yourself this is correct when it self evidently not true and is falsehood?

can you openly call for jihad? no you cannot. you would be arrested. please try it and proove me wrong, i would love to be wrong but i know i am not given that people like sheikh ali timimi who were arrested for this.

i will tell you this, the first obligation for giving zakaat to whilst their is jihad taking place is in support of the mujahadeen, now you try taking your zakaat and saying to the authorities that you are going to send this to the mujahadeen and see what happens?

they even police the du'a after jummah salaah and those that make du'a for the mujahadeen are considered suspect and monitored and i know for a fact that is the case here in the uk.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
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I was referring to Ethiopia.India have tried to persuade the US that we(Bangladesh) is a terrorist nation,with the help of opposition.
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I apologise for the apparant going off topic. But, the point is both the US and the Soviets want the Horn of Africa region. Point being Ethioia is playing both sides.
 
Dawud_uk said:
they send soldiers to attack muslim nations that do try to implement islam as a full system, afghanistan and somalia being prime examples.
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In both cases you seem very confused between 'nations' and 'factions within nations'. Most Afghans were only too pleased to see the back of the Taliban, and it was other Afghans that, albeit with considerable US support, actually did most of the dirty work in getting rid of them. Likewise, the Ethopians have not 'attacked' Somalia; they are allied with one faction and fighting another.

As a matter of historical fact, outside intervention was never required to establish 'secular despots' in the Middle East; they were quite capable of doing that themselves, and most (or their predecessors) did so long before the current islamic revival. Most have been 'backed' by somebody or other (US or Soviet, usually), invariably for the reasons Woodrow suggested, control and influence of the region in geopolitical terms. It is, indeed, all about oil - and very little to do with Islam. The only relevance of Islam is when it is perceived as a threat - not because of the religion but because of what some choose to do in its name, such as OBL. Take Iran, for example - the Western problem with Iran is not that it is 'Islamic', but that it has a stated intention to destroy Israel, and that it's acquisition of nuclear weapons would cause a huge shift in the balance of power in the region and, in US (and most other people's) opinion make it a very unstable and dangerous place. The oil must flow.
 
assalaamu alaykum woodrow,

here is a link you might want to see before you go using my test...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Al-Tamimi

i followed the trial as he is a scholar i respect greatly, the main evidence against him was a video in which he is shown making du'a for the victory of the taliban.

this was considered to be encouraging the killing of US citizens overseas, i.e the US soldiers and encouraging attacks against the US because the US was attacking the taliban.

as you can see from the link, the argument becomes false when it is shown that the US is clearly prosecuting muslims for calling for the defence of the muslim lands.

if it wasnt already shown to be false by their continued support for apostate tyrants around the world, or their continued attacks against muslims who want shariah like in afghanistan or somalia.

open your eyes brother, please, you do yourself no favours by not admitting to the blatent truth.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
Dawud_uk said:
tell it to sheikh ali tamimi!

subhanallah you know this is not true, please why do you try to convince yourself this is correct when it self evidently not true and is falsehood?

can you openly call for jihad? no you cannot. you would be arrested. please try it and proove me wrong, i would love to be wrong but i know i am not given that people like sheikh ali timimi who were arrested for this.

i will tell you this, the first obligation for giving zakaat to whilst their is jihad taking place is in support of the mujahadeen, now you try taking your zakaat and saying to the authorities that you are going to send this to the mujahadeen and see what happens?

they even police the du'a after jummah salaah and those that make du'a for the mujahadeen are considered suspect and monitored and i know for a fact that is the case here in the uk.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
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they even police the du'a after jummah salaah and those that make du'a for the mujahadeen are considered suspect and monitored and i know for a fact that is the case here in the uk.

I am aware that does happen in the UK. So far it has not happened in Austin. If the US was so intent on keeping a close eye on Muslims here in the US do you think it would be so easy for illegal aliens to live in the us without fear of being caught and deported. The US is very far from being a Police State.

i will tell you this, the first obligation for giving zakaat to whilst their is jihad taking place is in support of the mujahadeen, now you try taking your zakaat and saying to the authorities that you are going to send this to the mujahadeen and see what happens?

the only time that would be stopped is if a person were to try to donate money to any one at war with the US or who is advocating the violent overthrow of the US.

can you openly call for jihad? no you cannot. you would be arrested. please try it and proove me wrong, i would love to be wrong but i know i am not given that people like sheikh ali timimi who were arrested for this.

You can openly call for a peacefull Jihad as long as it is conducted without violence.

Here was the Problem with Sheikh Ali Timimi:

ALEXANDRIA, Virginia -- A prominent Islamic scholar with "rock star status" who influenced young members of a paintball club called the "Virginia Jihad Network" to join the Taliban and fight U.S. troops, was sentenced yesterday to life in prison.
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It is not wise to encourage the people of a country to wage war against that countries Army. Do you think it would be wise for somebody to go to Theran and try to encouge Iranian students to join the US Army and fight Hezbullah?

He would have been within his rights to point out that the US is wrong and he would be within his rights to encouarage people to vote against the current government and he would be within his rights to advocate a peacefull change of government.


The answer is no. You can not do that. that would be a case of advocating violent over throw of the US. I doubt if you can go into any country and ask for money to support war against the country you are in.
 
assalaamu alaykum,

the evidence against him was that they said he advocated attacks against the US AND INDIA. india not in the US is it?

baba ahmed is also wanted in the US, for sending sleeping bags and boots to chechnya! once again not a state of the US is it?

besides this is all a side argument, the US is attacking the muslim lands and in particular targetting those who want to rule by islam as a whole system, why do you deny this when it is the statements of your own government and the government of my country also?

they say they are attacking an evil idiology that wants to impose islamic law on the whole muslim lands... well that is just islam, anyone who doesnt believe in the kalafate is not advocating islam, they have something else but it is not islam.

your mind is closed, i am not going to waste anymore time with you on this. i love you for the sake of Allah but you are so misguided and far from the teachings of islam on this it is beyond tragic.

may Allah guide you back to the truth of islam and away from your asabiyyah and love for the enemies of Islam.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
I love you to Brother for the Sake of Allah(swt). I do appreciate your views and stand by your right to them.

But, you are right we are getting no place with these side arguements, let us let the thread return to its topic. which is the war in Africa.

I will say that I agree it is US backed. I will even agree the backing is unjust.
 
Woodrow do you even know why America is willing to back such an unjust war? Its because the islamist were trying to bring Shariah. If you cannot see that as an attack on islam then i dont know what is an attack on islam. George bush had made it clear the reason american troops have to stay in iraq so they dont create Khilafah. <Seems like george bush doesnt want the spread of islam and muslims being united under the law of Allah.
 
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Woodrow do you even know why America is willing to back such an unjust war? Its because the islamist were trying to bring Shariah. If you cannot see that as an attack on islam then i dont know what is an attack on islam. George bush had made it clear the reason american troops have to stay in iraq so they dont create Khilafah. <Seems like george bush doesnt want the spread of islam and muslims being united under the law of Allah.
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I see it as a desire to keep a foothold in the Mediterranian. I believe we would have invaded Iraq if it had been a Christian Country and the US did not have a foot hold there. the US is afraid to loose control of the Mediterranian.
 
I've just heard saddam is to hang. Ameria has alot to answer for. They seem to stick their noses in where it's not required. Let those who turned a blind eye during saddams rule also hang. I'd go and see the public execution myself. Now they fund Ethiopia but fail to fund the country to eradicate famine! - My blood boils. to tiop it all off, bush wasn't even ELECTED so what kind of democracy is he implementing in these other countries??

Saddam hangs, usa won't know what's hit them i can tell you that much now!

May God help us all!
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
I've just heard saddam is to hang. Ameria has alot to answer for. They seem to stick their noses in where it's not required. Let those who turned a blind eye during saddams rule also hang. I'd go and see the public execution myself. Now they fund Ethiopia but fail to fund the country to eradicate famine! - My blood boils. to tiop it all off, bush wasn't even ELECTED so what kind of democracy is he implementing in these other countries??

Saddam hangs, usa won't know what's hit them i can tell you that much now!

May God help us all!
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What do you mean Bush wasn't elected? If you are referring to the disputed election of 2000, that is irrelevant since he was elected again in 2004. As for those who "turned a blind eye" to the killing of the Kurds, that would be half the world. Just as those who didn't come to the aid of those in Rwanda turned a "blind eye". Sometimes justice is slow in coming, sometimes it doesn't come at all. I for one would be satisfied with a life sentence, but it was an Iraqi court who sentenced him to death, following the statutes of their own constitution and legal system.
 

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