Tolerance, acceptance of Islam a valuable lesson

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You should run for something...seriously :)


Of course you would have to get your old, autocratic ways as board cop out of your system :)
You should get back on topic... seriously :)

Of course you would have to get your old, sarcastic ways as an evil clown out of your system :)

(note this smiley: :p)

:D
 
Shirien;

That must be very satisfying to write a column like that. From where (or whom) does the hate mail come?

If this is an example of your writing it seems quite sensible and is hardly hate-worthy.

yeah it is alhamdulilllah, umm most just from college students on campus. In Louisiana there is a huge "republican bush supporter" crowd... so it's only natural....

It doesnt bother me at all anymore, i've written for more than a year now.. so now it's kind of just expected everytime i write.....

my next column for tomorrow.. i can smell the hate-mail now...

i'll post it tomorrow inshaAllah..
 
It's seriously great to have u here with us sis, MashaAllah :) InshaAllah I'll get to reading more of ur stuff :D
 
yeah it is alhamdulilllah, umm most just from college students on campus. In Louisiana there is a huge "republican bush supporter" crowd... so it's only natural....

It doesnt bother me at all anymore, i've written for more than a year now.. so now it's kind of just expected everytime i write.....

my next column for tomorrow.. i can smell the hate-mail now...

i'll post it tomorrow inshaAllah..

Ah...headscarves and personal religious freedoms are one thing...bashing foreign or domestic policies of the government when most of the people in the area voted for that government is quite a different matter. :omg:

Still, it is quite a unique situation for the same commentator to anger conservatives and radical feminists.
 
The Messenger of God (peace be upon him) said:

“Seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim.” (Related by Ibn ‘Adiyy, Al-Bayhaqi and Al-Tabarani).


Ermmm, pardon me my ignorance, but how comes, under Taliban regime, Women in Afghanistan were NOT allowed to go to school ?
So the Taliban are unislamic??

I'm confused
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Ermmm, pardon me my ignorance, but how comes, under Taliban regime, Women in Afghanistan were NOT allowed to go to school ?
So the Taliban are unislamic??

You know, back when I was a kid, my primary school got closed down. Does that mean my government is automatically anti-education? :?

Er, moral of story- the issue isn't whether or not women weren't allowed education, the issue is why. Political and cultural conditions of the time need to be taken into consideration (I would think war, lack of money, corrupt education curriculum and high rape/abduction rates would be worth considering? Not to mention validity of facts. Many news sources I have come across refer to this so called total ban of female education as lie).
 
This thread is not about the Taliban. If you wish to talk about them, either use the search function or make a new thread.
 
Consider media terms in tragedy
YOU THINK YOU KNOW
by Shirien Elmasraya
Issue date: 4/24/07 Section: Opinion
Originally published: 4/23/07 at 11:41 PM MST Last update: 4/23/07 at 11:40

I opened the Yahoo! News page last Monday to find out that 32 people were murdered. At that point they hadn't released the identity of the gunman. All they said was officials were looking into whether this was a "terrorist attack."

Later the world learned the gunman was 23-year-old Seung Hui Cho, a South Korean native. Not only was I in total shock and felt horribly for those affected by this incident, but I was completely disgusted that officials did not label the gunman a "terrorist." How many people have to die for this to be called terrorist activity? From what part of the world does one have to be in order to be labeled a terrorist? To what religion must one ascribe in order to perform terrorism?

If this is not the perfect example of how the media uses propaganda, I don't know what is. Why do you think South Koreans were afraid of retaliation against them after the incident? It's because they see what popular opinion did to Muslims and Arabs after 9/11, not to mention, if we go back in history a little more, to the Japanese after World War II. Will the media not play the same game with the South Koreans as they did with Muslims, or is there a double standard here?

Better yet, why was he not called a Christian terrorist? He claimed in a letter written before the attack that he was trying to die "like Jesus Christ," and he committed suicide.

One can easily realize the double standards displayed so obviously by this incident.

As I have said over and over throughout the past year, you cannot classify a group according to the actions of few. The media this time were indeed correct to not classify someone as a "Christian terrorist" and to make an effort to dispel any ill feelings that some may have had toward native South Koreans. Ask yourself if there is a discrepancy here with Cho and the way people treat those of other religions.

The next time one hears the phrase "Islamic Terrorist," he should as, "Is the media classifying him as terrorist merely because he is Muslim?" If the answer is yes, and indeed it is yes, then Cho can only rightfully be called a "Christian terrorist."

Although the incident was indeed tragic, people need to understand that if 32 people died in one day in Iraq, that would be considered a pretty good day. People across America held ceremonies and vigils. Papers were filled with their faces and detailed their stories. But of the more than 600,000 people who have died in Iraq, most can't even name one of the innocent civilians who have died - not one. It seems American blood is more valuable than the blood of Iraqi civilians.

Early last week, as details of the Virginia Tech incident unfolded, a small headline came across the TV screen reading, "198 killed in Baghdad today." Imagine more than six Virginia Tech incidents in one day alone.

I am not trying to trivialize the incident that happened this past Monday, but people often fail to see the bigger picture. Just as we all felt distressed by the tragic shooting at Va. Tech, this happens on a much wider scale in Iraq and other parts of the world every day.

Considering Iraq is only a small portion of the size of America, one can only try to imagine the chaos that happens there daily. It's time we wake up and smell reality.


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[email protected]

www.lsureveille.com
 
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JazakAllahu Khayran for that sister Shirien. :) It's true of course and I enjoyed reading it.

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Consider media terms in tragedy
YOU THINK YOU KNOW
by Shirien Elmasraya
Issue date: 4/24/07 Section: Opinion
Originally published: 4/23/07 at 11:41 PM MST Last update: 4/23/07 at 11:40

I opened the Yahoo! News page last Monday to find out that 32 people were murdered. At that point they hadn't released the identity of the gunman. All they said was officials were looking into whether this was a "terrorist attack."

Later the world learned the gunman was 23-year-old Seung Hui Cho, a South Korean native. Not only was I in total shock and felt horribly for those affected by this incident, but I was completely disgusted that officials did not label the gunman a "terrorist." How many people have to die for this to be called terrorist activity? From what part of the world does one have to be in order to be labeled a terrorist? To what religion must one ascribe in order to perform terrorism?

If this is not the perfect example of how the media uses propaganda, I don't know what is. Why do you think South Koreans were afraid of retaliation against them after the incident? It's because they see what popular opinion did to Muslims and Arabs after 9/11, not to mention, if we go back in history a little more, to the Japanese after World War II. Will the media not play the same game with the South Koreans as they did with Muslims, or is there a double standard here?

Better yet, why was he not called a Christian terrorist? He claimed in a letter written before the attack that he was trying to die "like Jesus Christ," and he committed suicide.

One can easily realize the double standards displayed so obviously by this incident.

As I have said over and over throughout the past year, you cannot classify a group according to the actions of few. The media this time were indeed correct to not classify someone as a "Christian terrorist" and to make an effort to dispel any ill feelings that some may have had toward native South Koreans. Ask yourself if there is a discrepancy here with Cho and the way people treat those of other religions.

The next time one hears the phrase "Islamic Terrorist," he should as, "Is the media classifying him as terrorist merely because he is Muslim?" If the answer is yes, and indeed it is yes, then Cho can only rightfully be called a "Christian terrorist."

Although the incident was indeed tragic, people need to understand that if 32 people died in one day in Iraq, that would be considered a pretty good day. People across America held ceremonies and vigils. Papers were filled with their faces and detailed their stories. But of the more than 600,000 people who have died in Iraq, most can't even name one of the innocent civilians who have died - not one. It seems American blood is more valuable than the blood of Iraqi civilians.

Early last week, as details of the Virginia Tech incident unfolded, a small headline came across the TV screen reading, "198 killed in Baghdad today." Imagine more than six Virginia Tech incidents in one day alone.

I am not trying to trivialize the incident that happened this past Monday, but people often fail to see the bigger picture. Just as we all felt distressed by the tragic shooting at Va. Tech, this happens on a much wider scale in Iraq and other parts of the world every day.

Considering Iraq is only a small portion of the size of America, one can only try to imagine the chaos that happens there daily. It's time we wake up and smell reality.


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Contact Shirien Elmasraya at
[email protected]

www.lsureveille.com

Shirien;

Now I can see where the hate mail comes from :)

You will get it here because you have chosen to politicize a crime by a lone, mentally ill individual whose actions had no political inspiration. He wasn't funded by like-minded individuals. He wasn't smuggled in to his attack site by co-conspirators. Nobody helped load his weapons. Nobody picked his target for him, and there certainly wasn't anyone there to film his actions so it could later be spiced up with jingoistic music and appeals to the Almighty so it could be broadcast on Al-Jazeera to millions of enthusiastic spporters.

Is there suffering in Iaq? Of course there is. Is the scale bigger than Virginia Tech? Of course it is. Does the American public want to get out of Iraq? Certainly the majority does. Will that end the suffering there? Don't bet on it. It will almost certainly accelerate the process. Even the headline you mention about Iraq says nothing about Islam or terrorism. It is straight, objective, non-inflammatory reporting. Isn't that what you are calling for?

BTW..nobody with a modicum of objectivity is going to call Cho a "Christian terrorist". He most certainly wasn't a terrorist by any reasonable definition and I'm not sure it has even been established he considered himself a Christian. He limted reference to Jesus Christ seemed more to be about his manner of death than any sense of righting a wrong in his name.

Had he survived, the Captain of the Titanic would have likely. for the rest of his life, called any large, menacing moutain of ice ecnountered at sea an "iceberg"...and he would have been right.
 
He had a weapon and he killed innocent people. Thats a perfect reason to call him a terrorist. If you think it's not then all I can say is double standards. He also did it in the name of religion. When a so called Muslim does it it's ok to attach an innocent religion to it. Its also assumed the person is Muslim. He said he was dong it in the name of Jesus. I dont think a non Christian would refer to Jesus. Your ignorance is so apparent, its sickening.
 
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He had a weapon and he killed innocent people. Thats a perfect reason to call him a terrorist. If you think it's not then all I can say is double standards. He also did it in the name of religion. When a so called Muslim does it it's ok to attach an innocent religion to it. Its also assumed the person is Muslim. He said he was dong it in the name of Jesus. I dont think a non Christian would refer to Jesus. Your ignorance is so apparent, its sickening.

ter·ror·ism
–noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

What was his political purpose?
 
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Your ignorance is so apparent, its sickening.

Jazzy, I understand you are angry but this comment is unnecessary. This is not the way Muhammad (pbuh) would speak to the non-muslims. He always spoke with dignity and respect.

Furthermore, he is reported to have said: Speak a good word, or remain silent

I apologise for going on at you but this is a really important issue within the Ummah that needs to be addressed.

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Hi MTAFFI,

ter·ror·ism
–noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

What was his political purpose?

What does esp. mean?

:w:
 
there is more than one definition. Just because thats how its being used now, doesnt mean that exactly the definition. The definition is always changing when they want to fit it for a purpose.


Ex:

A 1988 study by the US Army counted 109 definitions of terrorism that covered a total of 22 different definitional elements. Terrorism expert Walter Laqueur in 1999 also has counted over 100 definitions and concludes that the "only general characteristic generally agreed upon is that terrorism involves violence and the threat of violence".
 
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Jazzy, I understand you are angry but this comment is unnecessary. This is not the way Muhammad (pbuh) would speak to the non-muslims. He always spoke with dignity and respect.

Furthermore, he is reported to have said: Speak a good word, or remain silent

I apologise for going on at you but this is a really important issue within the Ummah that needs to be addressed.

:w:

I'm very well aware of it bro, thank you..
Its not an insult, its a legal word. If it was a curse or a type of insult, I would get in trouble for using the word. It's our mentality where we seem to think its an insult. Ignorance means being uninformed about something or choosing to ignore whats right in your face.
 
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:sl: Jazzy,

Then would you imagine Muhammad (pbuh) saying such a thing to Cognescenti if he were in your place?

If you can, then that's fine. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

:w:
 
I would never compare myself to our Beloved Prophet. Cuz I know I'll never be anywhere near him. SubhanAllah. And I feel more annoyed than what I'm showing. So think bout that for a sec.
 
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