Quran Verses - Explanations required.

[AvarAllahNoor]

Avar, so if you don't accept the previos prophets of God, who actually came to all of mankind before that time? Was all of mankind astray for milleniums, until according to Sikhi beliefs - Allaah chose Guru Nanak as the first prophet?


Thanks in advance.

I've said we do, but that does not mean what was written down is the truth. I can follow any scripture that was not written down by the Prophet that was appointed by God. How can such a message (Word of God) be left to others to reveal and distribute? This is not feasible. Guru Nanak was not the first messenger, there were many Jesus, Moses, Krishan, Mohammed. But they failed for obvious reasons. Sikh Gurus did not. Read up on the history and find anything (from relaiable sources not hindufied crap peddling) that does not sit correct and then we can dicuss it. Nothing about any of the Gurus can be stated to be un religious and not worthy of Messenger status by God. They conformed to his will.

 

[NoName55]

It is going from bad to worse, one distortion after another!

have how many children? which would lead to an increase in muslims all over the wrold. Is this how the figure of growing Islam is calculated?

where are those with multiple wives? I never seem to meet any

How many children did the Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H have? eh?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

AvarAllahNoor

I was under the impression you believe in prophet muhammed as a previous prophet. This is something God must have allowed him, so can I ask why are you questioning it? Thanx

I question it because as i stated before it is not the kind of thing a Prophet would be doing. Then i also say God sent many messengers and they did not obey his command. Just as you beleive the Christians faltered The same goes for others.

BTW - Sorry for my spelling I'm rushing and I'm making mistakes in the spelling. lol

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

It is going from bad to worse, one distortion after another!


where are those with multiple wives? I never seem to meet any

Not in England you won't it's illegal. Arabia perhaps?

I've built up this picture Islam is good but some of the verses throw me off it. Still as Guru Nanak said we should respect the ways of others and just better ourselves as we learn more. :statisfie

 

[- Qatada -]

I've said we do, but that does not mean what was written down is the truth. I can follow any scripture that was not written down by the Prophet that was appointed by God. How can such a message (Word of God) be left to others to reveal and distribute? This is not feasible. Guru Nanak was not the first messenger, there were many Jesus, Moses, Krishan, Mohammed. But they failed for obvious reasons. Sikh Gurus did not. Read up on the history and find anything (from relaiable sources not hindufied crap peddling) that does not sit correct and then we can dicuss it. Nothing about any of the Gurus can be stated to be un religious and not worthy of Messenger status by God. They conformed to his will.

Do they not then consider the Qur'ân carefully? Had it been from other than Allâh, they would surely have found therein much contradictions. [Qur'an 4:82]
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We know that the bible is flawed since it has many clear contradictions in, the jews strayed from the religion of Moses and got ideas of reincarnation from other religions.

Maybe you could prove to us the contradictions in Qur'an? Since there are none. And we know that prophets never called to the idea of re-incarnation, infact they called man to worship their Creator & Sustainer Alone, and they warned them of the Day of Judgement when we would return to Him and be judged on all that we did in this world. Then we would either be rewarded or punished for our obedience or disobedience to Allaah & the Messenger sent to us, and we know that without a doubt - Allaah's final Messenger is Muhammad (peace be upon him.)

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

If he was the seal of the Prophets, then why would Jesus return again? that would make him the last would it not? And, I hear that Mohammed had a seal between his shoulder blades is this correct, or just a myth?

 

[NoName55]

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Allaah's final Messenger is Muhammad (peace be upon him.)

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[- Qatada -]

If he was the seal of the Prophets, then why would Jesus return again? that would make him the last would it not? And, I hear that Mohammed had a seal between his shoulder blades is this correct, or just a myth?

Yes, it is correct.


In regard to Jesus son of Mary coming back, he never died since he was raised upto Allaah for a temporary amount of time. Then he will return and apply the sharia' [laws etc.] revealed to Muhammad (peace be upon him) and he will clarify to the people that he is not the son of God, rather he is His slave. He will break the cross and slay the pig, and he won't come with a new message, rather he will kill the anti-christ, and he will establish justice on the earth by the will of Allaah.

Now you might ask, why will Jesus apply the law revealed to Muhammad (peace be upon him)? Jesus son of Mary won't come with a new law, and therefore he won't be coming back as a prophet anyway - but instead as the Messiah. That's because when Jesus came, he came to the children of Israeel and the people surrounding him. When he returns - even christians believe he will come and fight the anti-christ, and this is part of the jihaad which will take place. Even christians who believe that Jesus brought a message of peace know that he will return and fight the anti-christ, and obviously he would have to follow the laws revealed to Muhammad (peace be upon him) since his message is preserved and accepted in the sight of Allaah up till the Day of Judgement.


So there is no contradiction.



Regards.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Like the islamic kalima: La Ilaha Illallah, No God but God.
Seal of the Prophets can also mean a certain line , like the abrahamic line of prophecy. Seal does not even mean "last".

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

If someone says that Allah was bounded by some book say Holy Koran and Rasol was the last prophet then we are trying to bind overpowerfull Allah.If Allah wants Billions of more powerfull Rasools than Muhammed, then they can be creted in second by Allah. Simply stating Mohammed himself said he's the last means nothing to the likes of me. It would be like saying ''well Guru Gobind Singh Ji said he's the Final so there''

 

[- Qatada -]

Like the islamic kalima: La Ilaha Illallah, No God but God.
Seal of the Prophets can also mean a certain line , like the abrahamic line of prophecy. Seal does not even mean "last".

Seal means that it's closed.


The arabic for it is in surah Ahzaab [33] - maa kaana muhammadun abaa ahadumirijaalin wa laakinRasoolAllaah, wa khaataminabiyeen.


You know this anyway since you're a punjabi, khatam means finished. And Allaah knows best.

He is the Last of the Prophets


[وَلَـكِن رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عَلِيماً]


(but he is the Messenger of Allah and the last of the Prophets. And Allah is Ever All-Aware of everything.) This is like the Ayah:


[اللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ حَيْثُ يَجْعَلُ رِسَالَتَهُ]


(Allah knows best with whom to place His Message) (6:124). This Ayah clearly states that there will be no Prophet after him. If there will be no Prophet after him then there will surely be no Messenger after him either, because the status of a Messenger is higher than that of a Prophet, for every Messenger is a Prophet but the reverse is not the case. This was reported in many Mutawatir Hadiths narrated from the Messenger of Allah via a group of his Companions, may Allah be pleased with them. Imam Ahmad recorded a narration from Ubayy bin Ka`b, from his father that the Prophet said:


«مَثَلِي فِي النَّبِيِّينَ كَمَثَلِ رَجُلٍ بَنَى دَارًا فَأَحْسَنَهَا وَأَكْمَلَهَا، وَتَرَكَ فِيهَا مَوْضِعَ لَبِنَةٍ لَمْ يَضَعْهَا، فَجَعَلَ النَّاسُ يَطُوفُونَ بِالْبُنْيَانِ وَيَعْجَبُونَ مِنْهُ وَيَقُولُونَ: لَوْ تَمَّ مَوْضِعُ هَذِهِ اللَّبِنَةِ، فَأَنَا فِي النَّبِيِّينَ مَوْضِعُ تِلْكَ اللَّبِنَة»


(My parable among the Prophets is that of a man who built a house and did a good and complete job, apart from the space of one brick which he did not put in its place. The people started to walk around the building, admiring it and saying, "If only that brick were put in its place. '' Among the Prophets, I am like that brick.) It was also recorded by At-Tirmidhi, who said "Hasan Sahih.''




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[Mohsin]

AvarAllahNoor

I was under the impression you believe in prophet muhammed as a previous prophet. This is something God must have allowed him, so can I ask why are you questioning it? Thanx

I question it because as i stated before it is not the kind of thing a Prophet would be doing. Then i also say God sent many messengers and they did not obey his command. Just as you beleive the Christians faltered The same goes for others.

BTW - Sorry for my spelling I'm rushing and I'm making mistakes in the spelling. lol

We don't believe any prophets faltered. they may have made minor mistakes, but it is a pillar of our belief that prophets don't sin.

So one minute, before i go further, please let me get one thing straight, so you believe God sent prophets, like Muhammed, Jesus, Moses, but you believe they faltered along the way and made mistakes and so God sent the gurus, who never made mistakes and were perfect in everyway? Is that correct?

You said also "It is not the kind of thing a Prophet would be doing" so you don't believe prophet muhammed is a prophet then? Sorry I am really confused, can you please be more clear with your posts, thanks

Finally, what do you mean by "Just as christians faltered the same goes for others" What christians, and what others are you referring to?

 

[- Qatada -]

If someone says that Allah was bounded by some book say Holy Koran and Rasol was the last prophet then we are trying to bind overpowerfull Allah.If Allah wants Billions of more powerfull Rasools than Muhammed, then they can be creted in second by Allah. Simply stating Mohammed himself said he's the last means nothing to the likes of me. It would be like saying ''well Guru Gobind Singh Ji said he's the Final so there''

If you believe that the Qur'an was truelly a guidance, then how come you reject it? Isn't it much more logical even compared to Sikhi beliefs? Why is it that all the previous prophets mention that none is worthy of worship except Allaah Alone, and that we will be brought back to Allaah and be judged - then either rewarded with a great reward in the real life of the hereafter or humiliated and punished for taking Allaah's Message in jest.

That was the call of all the Prophets, no soul bears the burden of another. Yet what is so illogical about that? The One who gave us life once and created us when we were nothing can easily bring us back to Him again. That is the truth, so why do you reject it man? Is it just because your forefathers never agreed with it? Because they will be judged according to their own actions, and you will be to your own. And Allaah is the protector of those who believe, He brings them out of darkness of disbelief into the light and guidance towards His reward and Promise.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

OK Fabisillah - My forefathers were indeed muslims - After hearing of the true message of Guru Nanak they rejected what they were taught for centuries because the message of Guru Nanak was more luring as it was pure and non-confusing. Nobody was to be condemend and no woman would be stoned and equality prevailed.

Mohsin, The "It is not the kind of thing a Prophet would be doing" reffers to the faltered bit.

 

[- Qatada -]

OK Fabisillah - My forefathers were indeed muslims - After hearing of the true message of Guru Nanak they rejected what they were taught for centuries because the message of Guru Nanak was more luring as it was pure and non-confusing. Nobody was to be condemend and no woman would be stoned and equality prevailed.

Okay, so maybe you could explain your belief? What's the purpose of your life? Is it to 'unite' with God as i've heard many Sikhi's say? And how do you believe that happens? Since thats the main aim in your life right?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Unite with God as in his dwelling place, NOBODY can become God. No idea where you've heard that. - Purpose is to live life the way God intended. Hate nobody, love all. Help those that require it and judge none. - Defend the rghts of the unfortunate as they cannot do so themselves. The actions speak louder than words as they say. And above all worship God alone and utter his verses day and night as he has bestowed upon us the gift of life.

 

[Mohsin]

Mohsin, The "It is not the kind of thing a Prophet would be doing" reffers to the faltered bit.[/B]

brother u have not answered my question

if i'm not mistaken, you believe prophet muhammed and the otehr prophets were true prophets, but falterered along the way

but above u say the prophet faltering is not something a prophet would do, so do you or do you not believe they are prophets?

 

[- Qatada -]

Unite with God as in his dwelling place, NOBODY can become God. No idea where you've heard that.

Is it even logical that a person unites with God in His 'dwelling place'? Since you guys claim that God is everywhere anyway? We believe the eternal home is in Paradise in the presence of Allaah where we will see Him if we obey Allaah and His Messenger [God willing.]

Purpose is to live life the way God intended. Hate nobody, love all.

Yeah, we don't hate the people - we hate the sin.

Help those that require it and judge none. - Defend the rghts of the unfortunate as they cannot do so themselves.

Yup, we should help the needy and its a form of charity. We shouldn't judge others too, but if someone does a crime - he should be taken to court.

The actions speak louder than words as they say.

Islaam means submission, and Allaah's Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) would seek refuge in Allaah from knowledge which wouldn't benefit him. So yeah - we gota put into practise what we learn.

And above all worship God alone and utter his verses day and night as he has bestowed upon us the gift of life.

Yeah, so no saints right? And also, maybe you could show some miraculousness of the Guru Granth Sahib to explain why you think it's Gods words?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Appointed Prophets but lost the way. So, I guess one could say they failed so they are not regarded as Prophets but were sent by Allah no doubt.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Miracles in the Guru Granth Sahin Fas? you won't find nay listed. Unlike other scriptures it's not based on fables and stories like the Quran and Bible and even the Torah and Gita. Guru Granth Shaib can be the only scripture to profess to be the hyms/verses of God and no story telling. Just verse after verse of the Almighty Allah. If you want miracle stories then you'll have to read the Janam Sakhis of the Gurus. they have it detailed.