Gaza War

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Fatah is a secular nationalist organization. They only care about political power, they have no real concern for Palestinian Muslims. Hamas was elected by the majority of Palestinians, but Israel, Europe, and America supported Fatah to start this pointless war against democratically elected Hamas government. Palestinians themselves need to get wise and realize who their true defenders are (hamas) and abandon the short-sighted palestinian nationalists (fatah). Fatah had half a century to free Palestine and they failed miserably, now the Palestinians should render their support to Hamas.
 
Talha777 said:
Fatah is a secular nationalist organization. They only care about political power, they have no real concern for Palestinian Muslims. Hamas was elected by the majority of Palestinians, but Israel, Europe, and America supported Fatah to start this pointless war against democratically elected Hamas government. Palestinians themselves need to get wise and realize who their true defenders are (hamas) and abandon the short-sighted palestinian nationalists (fatah). Fatah had half a century to free Palestine and they failed miserably, now the Palestinians should render their support to Hamas.
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yeah blame it on someone else, it is what you are best at
 
Fatah was a political party which probably deserved to be voted out, but replacing them with a terrorist organization isn't going to improve the state of the Palestinians or their chances of achieving a literal state of their own. Fatah might have been corrupt, but they were bringing in alot of money to Arafat's bank account, which was occassionally used for social programs and the like. With Hamas you will only have bombs and missiles, and the occasional suicide bomber.
 
Zman said:
:sl:/Peace To All

Al Jazeera Gaza Air Strikes Footage - 17 May 07

Al Jazeera English airs exclusive footage of a series of deadly Israeli air strikes in the Gaza Strip, one of which struck as Gaza correspondent Nour Odeh was live on air.

YouTube Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLUf...nformationclearinghouse.info/article17729.htm
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^^ terrible to see, perhaps Hamas should consider these consequences before firing anymore rockets into israel.. do you have a post for those rockets hitting anyone?

here is a story relating to that video

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070518/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians
 
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Talha777 said:
Of course the mother of all terrorists is America and Israel.
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Do you mean the literal "mother" of all terrorists, or do you mean "mother" like Saddam's "mother of all battles" allusion? Just looking for clarification.

*Don't bother, just being sarcastic
 
What your opinion or the wordls opinion on Hamas doesnt matter. The palestinian people voted them in. No one gave them a chance to go from a "terrorist group" to a legitimate political party. Its sick to see the double standards that some guvernments have. They carry the torch of democracy and when it suits them they put the light out.
 
SATalha said:
What your opinion or the wordls opinion on Hamas doesnt matter. The palestinian people voted them in. No one gave them a chance to go from a "terrorist group" to a legitimate political party. Its sick to see the double standards that some guvernments have. They carry the torch of democracy and when it suits them they put the light out.
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It is a little hard to sit around and wait for Hamas to become a political party when at the same time they are firing rockets into Israel.
 
Keltoi said:
It is a little hard to sit around and wait for Hamas to become a political party when at the same time they are firing rockets into Israel.
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Yeah.....and its hard to wait for Hamas to stop the rockets attack while Israel kills more Palestinians? Understand the cycle?
 
SATalha said:
Yeah.....and its hard to wait for Hamas to stop the rockets attack while Israel kills more Palestinians? Understand the cycle?
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from what I have seen lately, Israel has been responding to attacks and has stated they wouldnt attack unless they were attacked. Seems to me if Hamas would just quit attacking there could be peace..... But I am sure you will be able to tell me different, or show some classic youtube footage
 
SATalha said:
Yeah.....and its hard to wait for Hamas to stop the rockets attack while Israel kills more Palestinians? Understand the cycle?
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Also understand that if no one is responsible, there is no solution.

If someone else is the cause of all problems, you don’t have any responsibility to help create a solution.

As long as victory is more important than peace, neither will be achieved.
 
wilberhum said:
Also understand that if no one is responsible, there is no solution.

If someone else is the cause of all problems, you don’t have any responsibility to help create a solution.

As long as victory is more important than peace, neither will be achieved.
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perfectly put, Israel and Palestine are at equal fault, neither will ever win as long as the other has the attitude they maintain today
 
No i refuse 2 accept that Palestine and Israel are equal at fualts. The very fact that israel came barging in claiming most of the palestinian land is proof enough 2 show that they started the mess. Iamagine ur home, your town, your nation being ripped 2 pieces by bulldowzerz and trucktorz.wat wud you do?would u just step aside and say 'hear u go take it'. Iam sory 2 say that blame lies equaly is insulting. Yes i accept that palestinian have alot 2 answer 2, but compared 2 wat the isralis have 2 answerz too....its so much more.
 
SATalha said:
No i refuse 2 accept that Palestine and Israel are equal at fualts. The very fact that israel came barging in claiming most of the palestinian land is proof enough 2 show that they started the mess. Iamagine ur home, your town, your nation being ripped 2 pieces by bulldowzerz and trucktorz.wat wud you do?would u just step aside and say 'hear u go take it'. Iam sory 2 say that blame lies equaly is insulting. Yes i accept that palestinian have alot 2 answer 2, but compared 2 wat the isralis have 2 answerz too....its so much more.
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Obviously you think [MAD]victory is more important than peace[/MAD]

And Who is more at fualt is more important than a solution.
 
SATalha said:
No i refuse 2 accept that Palestine and Israel are equal at fualts. The very fact that israel came barging in claiming most of the palestinian land is proof enough 2 show that they started the mess. Iamagine ur home, your town, your nation being ripped 2 pieces by bulldowzerz and trucktorz.wat wud you do?would u just step aside and say 'hear u go take it'. Iam sory 2 say that blame lies equaly is insulting. Yes i accept that palestinian have alot 2 answer 2, but compared 2 wat the isralis have 2 answerz too....its so much more.
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you can think that garbage all you want but no one forced the palestinians to do anything. The palestinians rioted over the imigration of Jews, when Israel was declared a state, the Palestinians left, at their own free will, they were not forced from the land. They left because they knew of the Arab neighbors upcoming assault. What they didnt know is that Israel would defeat all of the aggressors, what they didnt know is that because of their actions and because of their blatant racism they wouldnt be coming back. Whos fault is that? They have spent 40 years fighting for something that they lost, fair and square. What Muslims must face is that Israel is not their land, it is the Jews land now, and whoever else lives there, they can fight and launch rockets until the end of time and it will solve nothing. They lost the land and they wont get it back. Even though I am tempted to push my opinion on one side or the other, I wont because really it doesnt matter who did more or less, both sides are wrong in what they are doing today, peace will never be attained by either side at the going rate today.
 
You really didnt see all those displaced Palestinians did you? And what about all those villiages that have been destroyed and farms taken away from farmers. A whole nation of people thrown in to poverty, for the benefit of Israel. Who is the more wealthier? Ok lets not focus on the whole issue becuase i could go on. Lets focus on 1 issue. This could reprsent the whole sitiuation in Palestine.

Why is it that in Hebron the water distrubution is controled by the Israeli's? 85% of the water is allocated to the Israeli's and 15% is allocated to the Palestinians. Look at the population ratio in Hebron you will find that Palestinians outnumber the Israeli's vastly. Why are they denied this right of water? Explain this?

We digress from the topic becuase it has so many issues. Sorry for that.
 
There are no easy answers to complex questions. There will be no resolution to water issues as long as there is war.

Peace first.

That is the only way to resolve anything.
 
Yeah Wilber i to want peace, it will come to the Holy Land soon, Inshallah.
 
and once again you expose your ignorance, many muslims in the mid-east have critisized both hamas and fatah, one commentator went as far as cursing them both. so plz just because you dont see or hear something, dont make a quick assumption, it seems you believe if something is not on your neocon fox american news then its not happening, so stop showing your ignorance time and time again, its obvious your just always bringing up whatever issue you can to attack and show your hate towards against the muslims.
 
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