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Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Balthasar21 said:
With all do respect if the Quraan is from Allah , And the names of these books are in the Quraan . They must exist , Then the next question would be where are they , if the muslims don't accept that they come from the Bible , Again where are these book Allah tell muslim to read .( Just A Though ) . A yes or no answer always leads to another question What / When / Where / How / Who .
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Now it is true the names of the books are indicated in the Qur'an. we do know that the Injil was the message given to Jesus(as). Yet, no where in the bible is there any reference to what God(swt) told Jesus(as) to give to mankind. Instead we have the "Eye witness" accounts of those who followed Jesus(as). But we have no direct quote from Jesus(as) as to what the Injil contained.

I will agree that what appears to be the Tauret (Jewish Pentatuch) and the Zaboor (Book of Psalms) does appear in the OT. However, they should be identical to what the Jews have and if you read through the Jewish thread here or check with any Jewish Web site, you will find they do not match. So obviously one or both are in error and not what was originally said.
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Balthasar21 said:
With all do respect if the Quraan is from Allah , And the names of these books are in the Quraan . They must exist , Then the next question would be where are they , if the muslims don't accept that they come from the Bible , Again where are these book Allah tell muslim to read .( Just A Though ) . A yes or no answer always leads to another question What / When / Where / How / Who .
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Salaam,

the words of the Quran are from Allah.

And again you are but confusing yourself,the Quran does not require muslim to read any other book..

The Quran is sufficient..

The problem is simple,the bible is corrupted..both the NT and OT.

Thus they are not the book referred to the Quran.
And another name for the Quran is the criterion..
The Quran dispel the corruption in the other books.

Allah is ONE not 3
Propeht Jesus as is not god
Uzair is not god.
Do not worship idols.
..

Simple..
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Woodrow said:
Now it is true the names of the books are indicated in the Qur'an. we do know that the Injil was the message given to Jesus(as). Yet, no where in the bible is there any reference to what God(swt) told Jesus(as) to give to mankind. Instead we have the "Eye witness" accounts of those who followed Jesus(as). But we have no direct quote from Jesus(as) as to what the Injil contained.

I will agree that what appears to be the Tauret (Jewish Pentatuch) and the Zaboor (Book of Psalms) does appear in the OT. However, they should be identical to what the Jews have and if you read through the Jewish thread here or check with any Jewish Web site, you will find they do not match. So obviously one or both are in error and not what was originally said.
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Again with all do respect , Question if I may why do SOME muslims hide what the quraan says , If Quraan is from Allah ok , can any muslims here tell me why Allah put these scriptures in the Quraan , And what was Allah reson for doing so . And if these scriptures are not talking about the Bible . Then What scriptures are they speaking of and where can they be found .
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Balthasar21 said:
Again with all do respect , Question if I may why do SOME muslims hide what the quraan says , If Quraan is from Allah ok , can any muslims here tell me why Allah put these scriptures in the Quraan , And what was Allah reson for doing so . And if these scriptures are not talking about the Bible . Then What scriptures are they speaking of and where can they be found .
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None of us here are scholars and we can only give our own opinions, which may be in error and not in accordance with Islam.

I may be wrong, at the moment I can not find the ayyat you are referring too. I have read it many times and am familiar with it. But, at the moment I am brain dead at trying to remember which one it is. If memory serves me correctly what is actually said is that we are commanded to believe what came before us. It does not command us to read what came before. It also does not specificaly state that this is the Tauret, Zaboor or Injil. Although we believe those are included as we know that at one time Allah(swt) did reveal them. That is more of a determination by the early scholars and Imans.

My personal interpretation, and this may be in error, of that means that if we know something was truly said by Allah(swt) in the past, it is still valid today. For example we know Allah(swt) forbade the eating of pork prior to the written Qur'an and that command is still just as valid as the day it was first given.

Astagfirullah
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Balthasar21 said:
Again with all do respect , Question if I may why do SOME muslims hide what the quraan says , If Quraan is from Allah ok , can any muslims here tell me why Allah put these scriptures in the Quraan , And what was Allah reson for doing so . And if these scriptures are not talking about the Bible . Then What scriptures are they speaking of and where can they be found .
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Salaam,

plainly you are reading what EVERY MUSLIM HERE IS POSTING..

What verses are we hiding?\
can you show us?

It is a sin to hde knowledge for the Propeht Muhammad saw said so.
And we muslim fear sin.

So pls provide for us the verses..that actually refer to the bible..

And your question,Why Allah puts the scripture in the Quran?
It is a guidance for all of mankind...

And the Quran refers to the Books given unto the previous Propehts,all corrupted now.
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Zulkiflim said:
Salaam,

plainly you are reading what EVERY MUSLIM HERE IS POSTING..

What verses are we hiding?\
can you show us?

It is a sin to hde knowledge for the Propeht Muhammad saw said so.
And we muslim fear sin.

So pls provide for us the verses..that actually refer to the bible..

And your question,Why Allah puts the scripture in the Quran?
It is a guidance for all of mankind...

And the Quran refers to the Books given unto the previous Propehts,all corrupted now.
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Overstand If You Can , In every post I have posted I Have back it up with chapter / verse . I just don't say anything nor do I make things up .So seek out the verse in one of my above post , And I have been reading some of the Christian post and Muslims post And you know what SOME key word here SOME Muslims here , Want people to agree with them and you're one of then . And when you don't agree with them they get Defensive . I see that as a sign of wickness . And some Christians are the same way . And this is because 90% Christians and Muslims Don't know their own scriptures , They are not allow to question their Teacher , They're told never to question there God , Be it Yahuwa / Allah Etc Etc . Just believe , What foolishness , Its like saying wait until you die and you see what you have been told is the truth or not . Those muslims who will read the Bible will overstand the Christians Teaching , And those christian who will read the quraan will overstand muslims teaching . personally I careless .
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Balthasar21 said:
Overstand If You Can , In every post I have posted I Have back it up with chapter / verse . I just don't say anything nor do I make things up .So seek out the verse in one of my above post , And I have been reading some of the Christian post and Muslims post And you know what SOME key word here SOME Muslims here , Want people to agree with them and you're one of then . And when you don't agree with them they get Defensive . I see that as a sign of wickness . And some Christians are the same way . And this is because 90% Christians and Muslims Don't know their own scriptures , They are not allow to question their Teacher , They're told never to question there God , Be it Yahuwa / Allah Etc Etc . Just believe , What foolishness , Its like saying wait until you die and you see what you have been told is the truth or not . Those muslims who will read the Bible will overstand the Christians Teaching , And those christian who will read the quraan will overstand muslims teaching . personally I careless .
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Islam, because of the emphasis of our being personaly responsible for our choices, pretty much forces us to look and be satisfied with what we believe from our own investigation and not simply on the basis of the teachings of any one person.

I find us to be the the most questioning of all religions and it is only if we become lazy do we stop seeking for more proof of what we believe.
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Woodrow said:
Islam, because of the emphasis of our being personaly responsible for our choices, pretty much forces us to look and be satisfied with what we believe from our own investigation and not simply on the basis of the teachings of any one person.

I find us to be the the most questioning of all religions and it is only if we become lazy do we stop seeking for more proof of what we believe.
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Woodrow < says > I find us to be the the most questioning of all religions and it is only if we become lazy do we stop seeking for more proof of what we believe




All religion say the same .
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Balthasar21 said:
Woodrow < says > I find us to be the the most questioning of all religions and it is only if we become lazy do we stop seeking for more proof of what we believe




All religion say the same .
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Agree somewhat, When I was a Christian I was discourged from reading any writings about other faiths. Yet, when I entered seminary to become a Priest one of the first things I was exposed to was comparative religion, and because of it I questioned my former beliefs and found the path that eventually led me to Islam. Not too long back I would have been considered to be anti-Islamic. I had to come to terms with many things I questioned and had to fully satisfy myself that Islam was the right path before I reverted and that took over 60 years.
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Balthasar21 said:
Overstand If You Can , In every post I have posted I Have back it up with chapter / verse . I just don't say anything nor do I make things up .So seek out the verse in one of my above post , And I have been reading some of the Christian post and Muslims post And you know what SOME key word here SOME Muslims here , Want people to agree with them and you're one of then . And when you don't agree with them they get Defensive . I see that as a sign of wickness . And some Christians are the same way . And this is because 90% Christians and Muslims Don't know their own scriptures , They are not allow to question their Teacher , They're told never to question there God , Be it Yahuwa / Allah Etc Etc . Just believe , What foolishness , Its like saying wait until you die and you see what you have been told is the truth or not . Those muslims who will read the Bible will overstand the Christians Teaching , And those christian who will read the quraan will overstand muslims teaching . personally I careless .
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Salaam,

Hmm well as woodrow has said there are no such verses.

Plain to say that you wsh the verses to mean what you want.

and the very reason for this forum is for discussion,for understanding.
We do not quesion the Quran for it right.

It is only men "perspective" and people who assume they think they are right despite being non muslim,who try to force people of faith to reexamine themslves.

It is like talking to an adolescent who beleives that all he does is right.
LOL..
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Zulkiflim said:
Salaam,

Hmm well as woodrow has said there are no such verses.

Plain to say that you wsh the verses to mean what you want.

and the very reason for this forum is for discussion,for understanding.
We do not quesion the Quran for it right.

It is only men "perspective" and people who assume they think they are right despite being non muslim,who try to force people of faith to reexamine themslves.

It is like talking to an adolescent who beleives that all he does is right.
LOL..
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You know what wrong with people of religion rather it Christianity / Islam Etc . They are caught up in this thing called my Faith / Belief's / God is better than yours Faith / Belief's / God , Meaning They Assume Everyone Wrong But Them . But hey whatever get you through the day .
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Balthasar21 said:
You know what wrong with people of religion rather it Christianity / Islam Etc . They are caught up in this thing called my Faith / Belief's / God is better than yours Faith / Belief's / God , Meaning They Assume Everyone Wrong But Them . But hey whatever get you through the day .
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Salaam,

It is a simple thing in Islam.

there is a verse that ask any prson of any faith ,,either individual or a gropup to produce a book like the Quran.

If you cna produce a book..

then a chapter

If you cant produce a chapter then a verse..

If you do not accept the challenge..then you make your choice.
If you accept the challenge and fail,as surely you will,but still lie,,then you **** yourself.

And assuredly this challenge applies 1400 years ago till now.
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Salamalaykum

I have a very strong belief in this respect, especially about Injil - the Gospel, but that is not surprising since I was raised Christian.

I always refer to at least three translations of Qur'an into English, if I seek a full comprehension, and then also will always pray to be receiving the correct meaning.

My Qur'an copy is always placed on top of my copy of old and new testament.

I prefer to use a translation of old testament direct from Hebrew.

But for Injil I readily will refer to as many translations as it is possible to source. Any Christian knows that there are massive corruptions been placed into various translations of Gospel, by those whom seek to politicise the meaning of the word of God through His prophets. In some copies the words of Isa are even highlighted in red, and in some congregations one can find oneself being hated by half the congregation for believing in those words, and equally hated by the other half if every refuting any single part of those words. So in mainstream Christian Churches what have we left?

The question is in my mind as simple as the fact that it was through lessons from New Testament and in Jesus, that my childhood faith in God became sustained, and sustainable, to the extent that it has been my belief in Jesus which lead me to Qur'an and Islam.

If we can not give that creedence to the thorough work of Isa, in that there is an aspect in which his teaching has proven to be incorruptible, then what would we be as Muslims.

To know Injil we must simply pray. Find as many translations as you please of New Testament, and in particular Revelations, and go to Mosque and pray for the true meaning of. Yet you might be able to find, like I, that by praying upon Isa's real meaning, every translation and every corruption, all still condenses into the same lesson about what it is that we can not afford not to believe in. Revelations is alike to being the skeleton of all Mohammed's teaching, but that can be found only by prayer upon through Iman in Islam.

Do not let the shaytan deny us Injil by their pronouncements upon it as corrupted, since the strength of Isa's prophesy is that Love is not corruptible.

The words might change but the meaning never will.

Alaykumuassalam
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Zulkiflim said:
Salaam,

It is a simple thing in Islam.

there is a verse that ask any prson of any faith ,,either individual or a gropup to produce a book like the Quran.

If you cna produce a book..

then a chapter

If you cant produce a chapter then a verse..

If you do not accept the challenge..then you make your choice.
If you accept the challenge and fail,as surely you will,but still lie,,then you **** yourself.

And assuredly this challenge applies 1400 years ago till now.
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Beware of what you ask for , because that challenge has been MET .
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Balthasar21 said:
Beware of what you ask for , because that challenge has been MET .
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My first reaction is to say that who ever thinks he/she has met the challange, is not very familiar with Arabic. I do not know of any linguistic expert who is knowledgeable in Arabic, who would even make the attempt to meet the challenge.

Please post a source for your claim.
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Woodrow said:
My first reaction is to say that who ever thinks he/she has met the challange, is not very familiar with Arabic. I do not know of any linguistic expert who is knowledgeable in Arabic, who would even make the attempt to meet the challenge.

Please post a source for your claim.
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Now Zulkiflim doesn't know anybetter he to busy playing tricknowledge and follow the leader ( But ) .

With all do respect you should know by now I NEVER MAKE Claim's , I never speak on ANYTHING I don't know , If I don't something I'll Say I Don't Know . I already know few here waiting for me to say something and and can't back it up . That's why I Never make Claim . Those who will accept what I post will and those who wont ..Wont . It's just a disussion to me nothing more .
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Balthasar21 said:
Now Zulkiflim doesn't know anybetter he to busy playing tricknowledge and follow the leader ( But ) .

With all do respect you should know by now I NEVER MAKE Claim's , I never speak on ANYTHING I don't know , If I don't something I'll Say I Don't Know . I already know few here waiting for me to say something and and can't back it up . That's why I Never make Claim . Those who will accept what I post will and those who wont ..Wont . It's just a disussion to me nothing more .
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True,

That is why I am waiting for you to post your verification as to why you believe the Qur'anic challenge had been met. That would be a truly astonishing feat.
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Woodrow said:
True,

That is why I am waiting for you to post your verification as to why you believe the Qur'anic challenge had been met. That would be a truly astonishing feat.
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I'm at work now I will post the information ok .
By the way I don't deal in belief's / faith's / or Believe as you say , Only Fact's .
 

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