What is mysticism?

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The remarkable thing about the mystical traditions of the three monotheistic religions - Islamic Sufism, Judaic Kabbalah and Gnostic Christian – is their similarity to Hinduism and Buddhism. All doctrines hold that everything is One and that time is an illusion, and all believe in the doctrine of reincarnation and the great work, the perfection of the soul in one’s final incarnation, leading to an ultimate union with the Universal Consciousness.

Sufism is much older than Islam and like the Judaic Kabbalah has its origins in Chaldea in southern Iraq, from where Abraham originated. Chaldea (Khalidiyah) means land of immortality in Arabic and corresponds to the Biblical garden of Eden.

According to the Qur’an, all peoples of the Earth have been sent prophets to guide them. This would explain why the mystical traditions of all the major religions are virtually the same, as they are all of the same Divine origin. There is a passage in the Qur’an that alludes to the doctrine of reincarnation:

[2:28] And you were dead, and He brought you back to life. And He shall cause you to die, and shall bring you back to life, and in the end shall gather you unto Himself.
 
Sufis belive in reincarnation!? Whoho then they are further away from mainstream islam than even bahais!:D
 
I don't think all sufi's do..

By the way the Qur'an is in arabic, it cannot be perfectly translated into english..

AsalamuALyakum, must sleep lol
 
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The remarkable thing about the mystical traditions of the three monotheistic religions - Islamic Sufism, Judaic Kabbalah and Gnostic Christian – is their similarity to Hinduism and Buddhism. All doctrines hold that everything is One and that time is an illusion, and all believe in the doctrine of reincarnation and the great work, the perfection of the soul in one’s final incarnation, leading to an ultimate union with the Universal Consciousness.
This concept of re-incarnation and of 'union with God' is completely un-Islamic and goes against the clear established Islamic beliefs and teachings.

According to the Qur’an, all peoples of the Earth have been sent prophets to guide them. This would explain why the mystical traditions of all the major religions are virtually the same, as they are all of the same Divine origin. There is a passage in the Qur’an that alludes to the doctrine of reincarnation:

[2:28] And you were dead, and He brought you back to life. And He shall cause you to die, and shall bring you back to life, and in the end shall gather you unto Himself.
The verse is clearly misquoted and taken out of context.
 
The remarkable thing about the mystical traditions of the three monotheistic religions - Islamic Sufism, Judaic Kabbalah and Gnostic Christian – is their similarity to Hinduism and Buddhism. All doctrines hold that everything is One and that time is an illusion, and all believe in the doctrine of reincarnation and the great work, the perfection of the soul in one’s final incarnation, leading to an ultimate union with the Universal Consciousness.

Well good observation.

Sufism is much older than Islam and like the Judaic Kabbalah has its origins in Chaldea in southern Iraq, from where Abraham originated. Chaldea (Khalidiyah) means land of immortality in Arabic and corresponds to the Biblical garden of Eden.

According to the Qur’an, all peoples of the Earth have been sent prophets to guide them. This would explain why the mystical traditions of all the major religions are virtually the same, as they are all of the same Divine origin. There is a passage in the Qur’an that alludes to the doctrine of reincarnation:

[2:28] And you were dead, and He brought you back to life. And He shall cause you to die, and shall bring you back to life, and in the end shall gather you unto Himself.

No this point is misleading. True monotheism (islam) is the first and the oldest of way of life.

That ws the deen of abraham, and all the prophet.

For example paganism is also pretty old. It would be silly to suggest paganism is what the prophets espoused, and delivered to mankind. It would be inconcievable. So your assertion with mysticism, which has very close ties with paganism as one observed, is false and contradictory.

p.s. The verse one quoted does not support reincarnation, mysticism or anything got to do with it.
 
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I don't think all sufi's do..

By the way the Qur'an is in arabic, it cannot be perfectly translated into english..

AsalamuALyakum, must sleep lol

That is true but there are many Arabic speaking people that are bilingual, although they may not be able to translate any ayyat perfectly into English they do have a good understanding of the Arabic connotation and can do a fair explanation in English of what is indicated in the Qur'an and I have yet to see any Islamic Scholar ever state in any language that the Qur'an supports belief in reincarnation.
 
The remarkable thing about the mystical traditions of the three monotheistic religions - Islamic Sufism, Judaic Kabbalah and Gnostic Christian – is their similarity to Hinduism and Buddhism. All doctrines hold that everything is One and that time is an illusion, and all believe in the doctrine of reincarnation and the great work, the perfection of the soul in one’s final incarnation, leading to an ultimate union with the Universal Consciousness.

Sufism is much older than Islam and like the Judaic Kabbalah has its origins in Chaldea in southern Iraq, from where Abraham originated. Chaldea (Khalidiyah) means land of immortality in Arabic and corresponds to the Biblical garden of Eden.

According to the Qur’an, all peoples of the Earth have been sent prophets to guide them. This would explain why the mystical traditions of all the major religions are virtually the same, as they are all of the same Divine origin. There is a passage in the Qur’an that alludes to the doctrine of reincarnation:

[2:28] And you were dead, and He brought you back to life. And He shall cause you to die, and shall bring you back to life, and in the end shall gather you unto Himself.

as far as my limited knowledge goes, no muslim (sufi or otherwise) believes in reincarnation and the verse you quoted probably refers to resurrection. also, i think the main thing mystics have in common is that they don't follow doctrines - they go by their own experience of god but some of the things you mentioned do seem to be universal.
 
What is mysticism?
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as far as my limited knowledge goes, no muslim (sufi or otherwise) believes in reincarnation and the verse you quoted probably refers to resurrection. also, i think the main thing mystics have in common is that they don't follow doctrines - they go by their own experience of god but some of the things you mentioned do seem to be universal.
I have seen them they are hindu in all but name. In some areas of Pakistan and kashmir there are groups of people who at partician, instead of migrating to hindu part simply changed their names after saying shahadah (but reamained hindus) and some just changed names. to this day older generations practice their hinduism and their offspring are an amalgam of hinduism and sufism.

Then there were 100s of thousands of untouchables who did not want to go with the rest of hindus and voluteered to become Muslim (without first being educated in Islaam, we gave them the new name Musalli and left them to their own devices so they just adapted hinduism into their version of what they call Islam but it is far from it.
 
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Salamualaykum, I see many brothers have done a good job repudiating this quote from the first post in the thread, but my temper is such that I want to also:

The remarkable thing about the mystical traditions of the three monotheistic religions - Islamic Sufism, Judaic Kabbalah and Gnostic Christian – is their similarity to Hinduism and Buddhism. All doctrines hold that everything is One and that time is an illusion, and all believe in the doctrine of reincarnation and the great work, the perfection of the soul in one’s final incarnation, leading to an ultimate union with the Universal Consciousness.

Maybe the really remarkable thing is that the similarity is between the Religious thought of every believer no matter what Religion is ascribed to. And so maybe the mystery of mysticism is no mystery at all to any believer, but to non-believers is indubitably a mystery, otherwise they would all be believers.

Actually Islam is formidably based in debunking the myth of mystery in Religious teaching. It is all about making the teaching available to any person whom so seeks. But that process enabled also that shaytan attached their own perversions to the words of Religion, and so these days the mystery might equitably be understood as why one man can perceive Glory and Sorrow in Allah in simultaneous moments, while another man only perceives poverty and pain.

In fact it is wrong to mystify any aspect of any Religious teaching, and even before Islam that became the case, because by shrouding a lesson in mystery, false teachers are able to present themselves as though trustworthy, when they are only occluding reality.

Sufism is much older than Islam and like the Judaic Kabbalah has its origins in Chaldea in southern Iraq, from where Abraham originated. Chaldea (Khalidiyah) means land of immortality in Arabic and corresponds to the Biblical garden of Eden.

So what if Sufism existed before Mohammed, most of Islam already is before Him, but that fact can not detract from his greatness, or from the fact that Jibril descended to teach him the method of correctly compiling older teaching through Qur'an . Kabbalah has its origins in an older school of thought than Chaldea thankyou. The lessons I know is that the origins are with the lineage of Melkizedek, also known as Akhaldan, but the teaching is older even than the Earth itself.

Can anybody define Chaldea or Khalidiyah for me? There are many words people can use and in each instance we might intend to express a portion of our meaning in common, but have other parts of what we understand which can not be communicated. (that being the nature of mystery which we must try to prevent) For example: what is the relationship between words such as Jannah, Atlanta, Jukurrulpa, etc, and is there any worth in mentioning such words unless we have already established a solid ground work of commonly understood meaning.

According to the Qur’an, all peoples of the Earth have been sent prophets to guide them. This would explain why the mystical traditions of all the major religions are virtually the same, as they are all of the same Divine origin.

Yes.

There is a passage in the Qur’an that alludes to the doctrine of reincarnation:

[2:28] And you were dead, and He brought you back to life. And He shall cause you to die, and shall bring you back to life, and in the end shall gather you unto Himself.

The word "reincarnation" has an exact meaning. That is of an incarnation of life that is an exact replica.

If you would like to be alive again in future within an exact replica of what you are today, or even suffer the hell of so trying, then go ahead, but it will not be in Islam that you try.

My own preference in belief in everlasting life as Isa taught, is to believe that Isa is the only yet known example of any actual re-incarnation.

Of course, that is not to say that once we are in the grave we might just stop existing. If we have been wrong ever, we must remember that wrong and decompose all evidence of the wrong so that it will not be in the future, and thereby are we enabled as a species to evolve. That is the context in which Islam refutes re-incarnation. Those whom want to refute that we can cause a more positive future, and so fall back into imagining that in a future life cycle we might accomplish what we ought to be trying to accomplish today, are only of that self of wrongs done, which might never find any future life.

Islam must be strict in this.

Salamualaykum
 
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My own preference in belief in everlasting life as Isa taught, is to believe that Isa is the only yet known example of any actual re-incarnation.
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Eesa AlaiSalaam was a re-incarnation? did he die once?
 
The remarkable thing about the mystical traditions of the three monotheistic religions - Islamic Sufism, Judaic Kabbalah and Gnostic Christian – is their similarity to Hinduism and Buddhism.

'Gnostic Christian' is not 'the' mystical tradition of Christianity. None of Christianity's most famous mystics (such as Augustine, Symeon, Hildegard of Bingen, Julian of Norwich, John of the Cross etc) were Gnostics.
 
Any religious manuscript which is not perfectly clear to the reader is mystical. The Qur'an is such an esoteric book. As has already been stated, it cannot even be adequately translated and was barely understood even by Mohammed's contempories. The role of the mystic is to uncover the hidden truth, not to create more mystery. A religion divested of a mystical core is not a religion at all, but a dogmatic ideology.

As reincarnation is very much a part of the Jewish religion, as many a Rabbi would attest, and as a large proportion of the prophets in the Qur'an are Jewish, reincarnation is therefore not something Muslims can refute out of hand.
 
the Qur'an is such an esoteric book. As has already been stated, it cannot even be adequately translated and was barely understood even by Mohammed's contempories.
Sahabah did not understand it but the goofy moronic bidhatis do?
The role of the mystic is to uncover the hidden truth
Bah hum bug!
they are nothing more than pretencious liars who give it new non-existant meanings to justify their perverted ways
 
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So is it safe to say that you are a Christo-budhist-Ahmadi-Aborigini? Since you seem to have managed to combine four religions in to one. Probably should change way of life in profile!
 
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Any religious manuscript which is not perfectly clear to the reader is mystical. The Qur'an is such an esoteric book. As has already been stated, it cannot even be adequately translated and was barely understood even by Mohammed's contempories. The role of the mystic is to uncover the hidden truth, not to create more mystery. A religion divested of a mystical core is not a religion at all, but a dogmatic ideology.

The Mysticism is certainly caused by the nature of Religion being a teaching of what might feel intangible to the external mental processes, but as you put it that the role of the mystic is to uncover hidden truth rather than create more mystery, is very much the necessary truth.

When a person is a Saint, or has attained the enlightenment of a Buddha, or Guru, (Saint meaning in one language what Buddha means in another and Guru in yet another, all meaning only evolved into being objectively conscious), then the mystery is no more than honour.

I agree that Qur'an is esoteric and therefore natually mystical, or wonderful perhaps is a better word. The curious nature of the mystery of Allah is that by placing the full mystery into Qur'an, so as every single person is to be given the opportunity to access, so as to prove their own self and nature, (or not), what has happened is that often Religion is becoming more and more mysterious rather than less mysterious. This fact harks to the insideousness with which non-believers account for their lack of belief as though it is only a portion of the mystery. That is why we must only trust a teacher whom can de-mystify the Religion. This is the nature of Islam, to demystify.

Demystifying of the (curiously veilled) hidden regard we hold in our essence for Allah, is what leads us to finding that all prophesies are to be, or already being, revealed. The causes of every wrong become exposed and so are able to be embedded in correct place and time as events occur. That is what story of Qur'an is.

The revealing is the portion in which Isa bridged the truth.

Salam
 
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Eesa AlaiSalaam was a re-incarnation? did he die once?

Isa undertook to let his body be murdered, and so passed through the full pain of Death, but without actually dying.

Thereby He defines a real re-incarnation.

Salam

so is it safe to say that you are a Christo-budhist-Ahmadi-Aborigini since you seem to have managed to combine four reigions in to one. Probably should change way of life in profile!

No.

Well you should know, even named as NoName55, that Islam is the only Religion in which every other Religion can reconcile.

By implying that a person able to reconcile other Religions into Islam, ought to be named as belonging to as many Religions as can be found to have meaning in Islam, is to undermine the worth and wonder of Islam.

Though I notice that you used the word "probably", and the probability and statistics equations tend to refute my existance usually.

But there was a statistician whom was diagnosed with a disease with a 100% fatality rate. He cured himself of belief in statistics and then received a cure of the disease.

Salam
 
A mystic is not an ordinary person but somebody who has developed an intuitive faculty to a high degree giving him an inner sense of knowing. To disparage mysticism is to disparage every holy person that ever lived.

The Qur'an is a mystical book that requires interpretation. The question arises as to who's word can be trusted to give that interpretation. Mainstream Muslims would argue that the Hadith provides the answers. However, the Hadith was not transcribed by Mohammed and for the most part was not written by mystics, but by ordinary people prone to lies, bigotry and irrationality. Nevertheless, many mainstream Muslims quote the Hadith as if it were holy text.
 

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