Who is the Trinity to Christians & Muslims?

[MustafaMc]

I'd like to add
Audhobillah minalshaitan al-rajeem

Meaning: "I seek refuge in Allah from Satan the accursed."

 

[MustafaMc]

Yeah, I am seeing that you and Trumble, better than most, get what we Christians are talking about, though neither of you believe it. But many here get so confused, that they really do think that speaking of Jesus and the Holy Spirit is giving partners to God because in their minds we have added something to the Father. My point, for them, since I know you understand this, is that speaking of just the Father as God is not to talk fully about God. In fact it is like talking about the USA and claim that you are talking about America. In reality America is a continent composed of many countries, the United States of America being just one of them. To include Jesus and the Holy Spirit in the discussion about God is not to add partners to God, anymore than including Canda, Mexico, Chile, and Brazil is to add countries to America.

Talking about just the Father without either Jesus or the Holy Spirit is talking about just one persona of the Godhead, it is not talking about God.

Yes, I understand your point of view, but I haven't believed it to be true for a long, long time. We Muslims believe that Christians are confused in general about the concept of the "Oneness" of God. Christians have no problem in believing that Father, Son and Holy Ghost are really one and the same Being even though they can be demonstrated to have existed separately at the same time. Muslims can never believe Trinity, or Three Persons in One God, to be true because they hold the Quran to be the Word of Allah and the Quran specifically says this is ascribing partners with Allah - a most serious sin indeed.

We will both understand this central, critical issue "clear as day" one Day, but then it will be too late to change. Both of us, and others, have done our level best to accurately portray our beliefs and tried to show the other the "error of their ways". We have both made our decisions about what we believe and neither can convince the other that he is being misled. Yet, I believe this is as Allah has willed it to be.

I pray that Allah will guide us to the Truth and let us not die but as believers such that we will be protected from the Hellfire. Amen.

 

[MustafaMc]

Without the Senor, you cannot have eternal life. You are going to die with your sins, because you are lost and you cannot see nothing. The son of God is the answer.

is this accurate?



I know Jesus, even better than you it's just that I don't know Jesus as God , He was just a prophet

Thank you for the translation. I don't read/speak Spanish.

 

[MustafaMc]

OK. I read the pun you were going for with "Buthist" slightly differently and came up with a different one than you apparently intended. Thanks for the clarification.

And I hope you weren't offended by my intentional mis-spelling of Islam. If you (or for that matter any other Muslims) were I will go back and edit it.

Rather, perhaps, it was a Freudian slip to reveal how you really feel.

 

[MustafaMc]

Salaam/ peace ;



but we Muslims do know Jesus (p).

He is a blessed Prophet ( may peace & blessings of God Almighty be upon him ) & a humble servant of God who is one & only.




:statisfie :thumbs_up :statisfie

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his SERVANT Jesus. (see also Acts 4:27) It escapes me how God can glorify Himself, since Jesus is claimed to be simultaneously God.

Oooo...my head hurts!

 

[Grace Seeker]

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his SERVANT Jesus. (see also Acts 4:27) It escapes me how God can glorify Himself, since Jesus is claimed to be simultaneously God.

Oooo...my head hurts!

You probably mean as in this verse, too. Jesus is speaking:

Father, glorify your name!"
Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and will glorify it again."
{John 12:28)

And take some aspirin.

 

[Redeemed]

you disgusting creature!


I don't want no stinking eternal life worshipping a man.

I much rather have death by worshipping one God, who created the man you want me to worship

My Spanish is terrible, but that is not a very good translation or interpretation of what I wrote in Spanish. It is similar to the way you interpret our Christianity. It doesn’t start by saying you can’t have eternal life. It starts by saying “Without the Lord, you can not have eternal life." That is a significant difference, and the end sentence wasn’t correct It says "the Son of God is the answer for your life." And the middle you got dead right.
As far as me being a disgusting creature remains to be seen.:rollseyes

 

[vpb]

My Spanish is terrible, but that is not a very good translation or interpretation of what I wrote in Spanish. It is similar to the way you interpret our Christianity. It doesn’t start by saying you can’t have eternal life. It starts for by saying “Without the Lord, you can not have eternal life. That is significant difference, and the end sentence wasn’t correct It says the Son of God is the answer for you life. And the middle you got dead right.

I don't understand the point behind your thoughts. You come up making a sentence in spanish, where we don't know what it means, except by using Google language.

As far as me being a misearable creature remains to be seen.

2:116. They say: "(Allah) hath begotten a son" :Glory be to Him.-Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him.

6:101. To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things.

 

[Redeemed]

Meaning: "I seek refuge in Allah from Satan the accursed."

Thanks for the translation that is what inspired me to write in a different language, because I didn't know what that meant.

 

[vpb]

Thanks for the translation that is what inspired me to write in a different language, because I didn't know what that meant.

couldn't u write in greek or hebrew? that would make more sense than writing in spanish.

 

[Redeemed]

I don't understand the point behind your thoughts. You come up making a sentence in spanish, where we don't know what it means, except by using Google language.



2:116. They say: "(Allah) hath begotten a son" :Glory be to Him.-Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him.

6:101. To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things.

No name wrote somthing to me in a different language so I wrote him back in a different language. He is saying that he seeks refuge in Allah from Satan the accursed which implies I am doing the work of the devil and he is safe from me. And he calls me a digusting creature for my response in Spanish telling him the way I see it! I never said he was "disgusting" or anything negative about his person. Those kinds of remarks further detract from Islam, because he is a Muslim. When he speaks like that, I can tell you he is not submitting to Allah!!!!mg:

 

[vpb]

No name wrote somthing to me in a different language so I wrote him back in a different language. He is saying that he seeks refuge in Allah from Satan the accursed which implies I am doing the work of the devil and he is safe from me. And he calls me a digusting creature for my response in Spanish telling him the way I see it! I never said he was "disgusting" or anything negative about his person. Those kinds of remarks further detract from Islam, because he is a Muslim.

see the my previous post.

When he speaks like that, I can tell you he is not submitting to Allah!!!!

you have any proof that by saying such statement he is not submitting to Allah swt? i wonder why other christians don't recieve the same responses as u do?

 

[MuhammadRizan]

do christians accept Muhammad as Prophet and Messenger of God?

 

[vpb]

do christians accept Muhammad as Prophet and Messenger of God?

if you're not being sarcastic then , no they don't accept Muhammed as Messenger.

 

[Woodrow]

No name wrote somthing to me in a different language so I wrote him back in a different language. He is saying that he seeks refuge in Allah from Satan the accursed which implies I am doing the work of the devil and he is safe from me. And he calls me a digusting creature for my response in Spanish telling him the way I see it! I never said he was "disgusting" or anything negative about his person. Those kinds of remarks further detract from Islam, because he is a Muslim. When he speaks like that, I can tell you he is not submitting to Allah!!!!mg:

I do believe you sincerely believe you are doing the work of God(swt) in professing to us what you believe to be the truth. Your integrity and character are not in dispute. However, we honestly do believe that you are deeply mistaken and that your words can only lead us to Hell Fire if we were to follow them.

It is only appropriate that we as Muslims should Pray to Allah(swt):

A'uzu Billahi Minash shaitanir Rajim.

"I seek refuge in Allah from the rejected Satan."

The words you see as being so truthful and so beautiful we see as being directed to you by shaitan and that he is using you as a tool to try to lead us into Hellfire.

I know you believe just the opposite and at one time I believed as you do. But, like all reverts I have been blessed by being awakened and no longer follow the path that was made from either error or malice.

However, we are strong in our Faith that Allah(swt) will not allow us to be misguided, it is only in the Path that he has revealed that we desire to walk, as it is the straight path to Jannah and eternal life.

A'uzu Billahi Minash shaitanir Rajim.

 

[MuhammadRizan]

if you're not being sarcastic then , no they don't accept Muhammed as Messenger.

i'm not being sarcastic, just curious since Christian & Muslim always talk about love,brotherhood,similarities and building bridge etc etc.

We love Jesus(as),in fact we cant hate Jesus, i think we already had half of the bridge....

Why Christian reject Muhammad(SAW)?:?

 

[vpb]

Why Christian reject Muhammad(SAW)?

I hope they will answer



btw, here's a good video (lecture) of Khalid Yasin about "Who is Muhammad".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8670985083879640185

 

[Redeemed]

see the my previous post.

you have any proof that by saying such statement he is not submitting to Allah swt? i wonder why other christians don't recieve the same responses as u do?

It's not important to prove that, and it wouldn't accomplish anything to help you or me. I don't know what your point is about no other Christians being talked to this way. That is you acknowledging that it is not a very nice thing to do, and it appears that you are signaling me out as a Christian to make me feel out of it in comparison to the others of my faith. Besides, I beg to differ. Maybe, he is doing Allah’s bidding, because we are all of us dancing to the beat of a different drummer. That is Christians and Muslims, but as Christians we owe all of you our love. That is why I don’t attack a person’s character or at least try not to. But, I can tell you without Christ you are all going to die in your sins and not being able to see this makes you blind knowing nothing in regards to the saving of your soul. It is written: “My people perish for lack of knowledge.” There are those who are forever learning and never coming to the knowledge of truth. I just don’t want you to be one of them or anyone on this forum. So, I shout out calling it the way I see it. If I am wrong only in my approach, (no questions about the message even from all my Christian brothers) then God forgive me and give me more wisdom. This is basically what I shared in Spanish since my English hasn’t been getting through. It seems like it caused a bigger stir in Spanish, but the message is the same and you know what to expect from me.
You are loved:statisfie

 

[vpb]

It's not important to prove that, and it wouldn't accomplish anything to help you or me. I don't know what your point is about no other Christians being talked to this way. That is you acknowledging that it is not a very nice thing to do, and it appears that you are signaling me out as a Christian to make me feel out of it in comparison to the others of my faith. Besides, I beg to differ. Maybe, he is doing Allah’s bidding, because we are all of us dancing to the beat of a different drummer. That is Christians and Muslims, but as Christians we owe all of you our love. That is why I don’t attack a person’s character or at least try not to. But, I can tell you without Christ you are all going to die in your sins and not being able to see this makes you blind knowing nothing in regards to the saving of your soul. It is written: “My people perish for lack of knowledge.” There are those who are forever learning and never coming to the knowledge of truth. I just don’t want you to be one of them or anyone on this forum. So, I shout out calling it the way I see it. If I am wrong only in my approach, (no questions about the message even from all my Christian brothers) then God forgive me and give me more wisdom. This is basically what I shared in Spanish since my English hasn’t been getting through. It seems like it caused a bigger stir in Spanish, but the message is the same and you know what to expect from me.
You are loved

bro Wodroow explained:

I do believe you sincerely believe you are doing the work of God(swt) in professing to us what you believe to be the truth. Your integrity and character are not in dispute. However, we honestly do believe that you are deeply mistaken and that your words can only lead us to Hell Fire if we were to follow them.

It is only appropriate that we as Muslims should Pray to Allah(swt):

A'uzu Billahi Minash shaitanir Rajim.

"I seek refuge in Allah from the rejected Satan."

The words you see as being so truthful and so beautiful we see as being directed to you by shaitan and that he is using you as a tool to try to lead us into Hellfire.

I know you believe just the opposite and at one time I believed as you do. But, like all reverts I have been blessed by being awakened and no longer follow the path that was made from either error or malice.

However, we are strong in our Faith that Allah(swt) will not allow us to be misguided, it is only in the Path that he has revealed that we desire to walk, as it is the straight path to Jannah and eternal life.

We also respect you. and appriciate for your time to contribute in the forum.

 

[Redeemed]

bro Wodroow explained:




We also respect you. and appriciate for your time to contribute in the forum.

You are a mature and gracious person Woodrow, and there is no doubt in my mind of your sincerity and genuine concern for me as well as your brothers on the forum; however, it is following my words that will deliver you and your Muslim brothers and sisters from the fire of hell you speak of, because they are not my words but the words of God. Why would I lie? It is Allah that tells me to tell you that this is true, and Allah wants to speak to you directly. Ask Him to show you. He is not a God out in the distance too busy to be concern with our triviality No, he is closer than the air we breath and concerned even when a sparrow falls to the ground. How much more is he concerned with you and me? He is a loving a personal God. OH why will you miss out? Why? Ask and you will receive from him directly. Trust him for yourself and not through the voice of another man; otherwise, you are truly ascribing unto God a partner who you need to hear from God for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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