Who is the Trinity to Christians & Muslims?

[Grace Seeker]

I would say that you were batting 1,000 until the end.

Main Entry: im·ma·te·ri·al
Pronunciation: "i-m&-'tir-E-&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English immaterial, from Late Latin immaterialis, from Latin in- + Late Latin materialis material
1 : not consisting of matter
2 : of no substantial consequence

As for my use of the word essence, I think that immaterialness is also a poor choice in this case. I believe that the greatest blessing in Paradise will be actually seeing Allah. This implies that Allah exists in form and substance, but not such that we can perceive Him in this life.

OK. I really wanted to say spirit (not immaterial), but in a recent post elsewhere, I was told (surprisingly to me) that Muslims do not believe that God is a spirit. Might that be because Muslims think of all spirits as being created by Allah???

 

[Muslim Woman]

[FONT=&quot]With the name of ALLAH (God Almigthy) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful[/FONT]

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salaam/peace;



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How am I doing?

not bad :thumbs_up

i know u reject their belief but can u understand their view ?

One deity is responsible for death , others are not . One deity is running for life from a single human being & asking other diety to help him..........u understand all these ?



[FONT=&quot] verses for this life & the life hereafter :[/FONT]

Say: "Truly, my prayer and my rituals, my life and my death, are (all) for God, the Cherisher of the Worlds

Al-An`am 6:162




Say: "We believe in God , and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes,

and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord:

We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to God do we bow our will (in Islam).

Aal `Imran 3: 84

 

[MustafaMc]

Step off ok Mail order minister

I don't know why you are being so disrepectful to this person! He is among the most knowledgeable and respectable Christians that I have ever encountered. Keep your insults to yourself!:raging::enough!:

 

[Woodrow]

I didn't know that they have a trinity. I will look into it, but before I do, please keep in mind the devil is a mocker, and he has no ability to create. He can only mock and imitate when it comes to the things of God. His mission is to confuse. He is called Oplexicon.
Peace to u

The Hindu trinity consists of Brahm, Vishnu and Siva. It is very similar to the Christian concept of trinity. The Pagan Greeks also had some trinitarian like beliefs in the nature of gods such as Hermes/Aphrodite 2 beings one male one female but both the same god.

 

[Grace Seeker]

[FONT=&quot]With the name of ALLAH (God Almigthy) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful[/FONT]

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salaam/peace;



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not bad :thumbs_up

i know u reject their belief but can u understand their view ?

One deity is responsible for death , others are not . One deity is running for life from a single human being & asking other diety to help him..........u understand all these ?

Not sure I really understand the question. Sorry.

 

[MustafaMc]

OK. I really wanted to say spirit (not immaterial), but in a recent post elsewhere, I was told (surprisingly to me) that Muslims do not believe that God is a spirit. Might that be because Muslims think of all spirits as being created by Allah???

I think it best to not try and describe Allah beyond what the Quran says:

Quran 24:35 Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche, in which there is a lamp, the lamp is enclosed in crystal, the crystal is of a starlike brilliance, it is lit with the olive oil from a blessed olive tree which is neither eastern nor western, its very oil would almost be luminous though no fire touched it - as though all the means of increasing Light upon Light are provided - Allah guides to His Light whom He pleases. Allah cites such parables to make His message clear to the people; and Allah has knowledge of everything.

To be honest this verse is a mystery to me, so I will leave it that the parable of Allah's essence is "Light upon Light".

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Not sure I really understand the question. Sorry.

ok , Insha Allah i will try to find the stories of Hindus Triune God

 

[Redeemed]

The Hindu trinity consists of Brahm, Vishnu and Siva. It is very similar to the Christian concept of trinity. The Pagan Greeks also had some trinitarian like beliefs in the nature of gods such as Hermes/Aphrodite 2 beings one male one female but both the same god.

Yea, I looked it up online and I found that to be confusing and challenging. Some people are saying that Christianity copied from Hinduism, because it follows the same pattern and has all the same similarities before Christ's birth. This could be because the devil wanted to discredit Christianity in advance, or it was some kind of prophecy preparing people for Christ, but I don't think it was a coincidence. Muslim Woman through a curve ball with this one. I will have to research this some more, but that was a good one. I know that to every real thing there is a counterfeit. I would like to hear some well researched Christian input on this one! I would like to change the name of this thread to who is the trinity to the Christians, Muslims and Hindus

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[Grace Seeker]

I think it best to not try and describe Allah beyond what the Quran says: Quran 24:35

To be honest this verse is a mystery to me, so I will leave it that the parable of Allah's essence is "Light upon Light".

Reminds me a little of of these lines from the Nicene Creed:
"And in one Lord Jesus Christ...that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God, Light of Light..."

 

[Redeemed]

Salaam/peace;




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can u understand Hindu's Trinity ? Do u believe they serve one God only ?

If u don't know about that Trinity , may i request u to read about that 3 in 1 God & let me know if it's clear to u ?

If u find it easy to understand Hindu's Trinity , then it's ok to condemn us for not understanding yours , but if u find that concept complicated , then may be u will realise why we Muslims can't understand Christians Trinity.


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God invites [man] unto the abode of peace, and guides him that wills onto a straight way. -Quran (10:25)


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Where did I condemn you for not understanding the trinity?

 

[MustafaMc]

Reminds me a little of of these lines from the Nicene Creed:
"And in one Lord Jesus Christ...that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God, Light of Light..."

And yet the Nicene Creed begins: "We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible..." which reminds me a little of the lines that I wrote above.

 

[Redeemed]

I don't think Hinduism is going to discredit Christianity, but next to Christianity and Islam it is the third largest world religion. But their trinity and the thought of Christianity not being unique and copying from them crumbles in light of the facts presented:

The book “The Symbolism of Hindu Gods and Rituals” says regarding a Hindu trinity that existed centuries before Christ: “Siva is one of the gods of the Trinity. He is said to be the god of destruction. The other two gods are Brahma, the god of creation and Vishnu, the god of maintenance. . . . To indicate that these three processes are one and the same the three gods are combined in one form.”—Published by A. Parthasarathy, Bombay. [Should You Believe in the Trinity?, (Georgetown, Ontario: Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Canada, 1989), 12.]

Once again, a weak analogy is drawn between one indivisible God which exists as three inseparable persons and three gods in a triad. The above quote readily admits the Hindu view of the “Trimurti” (Hindu Trinity) as three gods. This is blatant tri-theism. But there is actually another view which is just as inconsistent with Trinitarianism as the above. This other view is explained in The New Book of Knowledge,


“Hindus believe that there is one spirit that runs through everything in the world – plants, animals, and human beings. Because a part of the spirit is found in each of us, we are all united spiritually. Hindus call this unifying spirit Brahman. […] Hindus worship many gods that represent different sides of Brahman, or pure spirit. The most important are Siva the Destoyer, Vishnu the Preserver, Ganesha the Giver of Success, and Kartikeya, a son of the Divine Mother of the universe. Hindus also worship goddesses which represent in different ways the power of Brahman called the Divine Mother. Among them are the goddesses Kali, Durga, Laksmi, and Saraswati. […] Brahma the Creator is another important god, but Hindus do not worship him with the devotion with which they worship the other gods.” [Cooper, Kenneth S. “Hinduism,” The New Book of Knowledge, (Danbury, CT: Grolier, 1988), 8:129.]

1. Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva are actually various manifestations of the Brahman (not to be confused with Brahma). But they are not the only exclusive manifestations, but rather this “unifying spirit” is believed to be in all things!

2. Hindus worship many gods whereas Trinitarians worship only one!

3. There are many other gods that Hindus worship aside from the three in the Trimurti. It seems as though those who oppose the Trinity only like to single out three from the many others in order to draw a faulty analogy.

4. The power of Brahman is represented as the Divine Mother, a far cry from God the Father!

5. Brahma is not afforded the same worship as the other two gods of the Trimurti, Siva, and Vishnu. Brahma is not even given the same worship as the goddesses that represent the power of Brahman!


Excerpted from:
The Defense of an Essential: A Believer’s Handbook for Defending the Trinity
Copyright © 2006
Nick Norelli

They worship more gods than a triad of different essences; we worship only one God!!!
My research, however, has caused me to have a deeper respect for Islam.

 

[vpb]

Jesus will get the reward of His suffering!

hmm, I'm interested in the explanation to this statement. Purestambrosia asked about it, but I didn't see anywhere u did, or maybe I missed it. But i'm very curious, who will reward Jesus? Don't only humans get rewarded?

 

[Phil12123]

can u understand Hindu's Trinity? Do u believe they serve one God only?

If u don't know about that Trinity, may i request u to read about that 3 in 1 God & let me know if it's clear to u?

If u find it easy to understand Hindu's Trinity, then it's ok to condemn us for not understanding yours, but if u find that concept complicated, then may be u will realise why we Muslims can't understand Christians Trinity.

When I googled Hindu gods, I got a site that listed 27 gods and goddesses, so I am wondering which three you think make up "Hindu's Trinity." I really don't think there is such a thing as a "3 in 1 God" in Hinduism. Hindus are polytheists, so if you pick 3 of their gods, it would not be a Trinity. It would be tri-theistic, not trinitarian.

BTW, I don't condemn anyone for not understanding the Christian Trinity. It is pretty much an article of faith, based on the nature of God as taught by many verses in the Bible and based on the fact that in the Bible the Father is called "God," the Son is called "God" and the Holy Spirit is called "God," but there is only ONE GOD. Nowhere do you have Hindus saying there is only ONE GOD.

 

[Redeemed]

hmm, I'm interested in the explanation to this statement. Purestambrosia asked about it, but I didn't see anywhere u did, or maybe I missed it. But i'm very curious, who will reward Jesus? Don't only humans get rewarded?

What I meant was Jesus was prophesied to come many centuries before and that he was going to be cut off for the transgression of his people. Right now many people dishonor Christ and take his name in vain. I know that you believe we Christians dishonor him by believing he is the Son of God, and we believe you are by just calling him a prophet. According to Scripture, there is prophecy hundreds of years in advance that testify he is the messiah who would be a sacrifice for the sins of the world. When every knee bows and every tongue confesses that he is lord, not only he will receive glory from the wicked who will confess his deity and go to hell, but he will also be praised by those who love his appearing. He will receive the reward of his suffering and so will the Christians who love his appearing. By faith Christians were sawn in half not accepting deliverance that they might obtain a better resurrection. It is still happening today Muslisms killing Christians. I feel that seeking the Lord is its own reward, and you can be sure I will have satisfaction watching all kindred, people and tongues confess his Lordship including those on this forum.

 

[Basirah]

2. Hindus worship many gods whereas Trinitarians worship only one!

Actually many Hindu texts suggest that every Hindu god (even Vishnu and Shiva) are all just avatars of Brahman, therefore, giving it some monotheistic qualities, since everything is just an avatar of Brahman.

 

[vpb]

What I meant was Jesus was prophesied to come many centuries before and that he was going to be cut off for the transgression of his people. Right now many people dishonor Christ and take his name in vain. I know that you believe we Christians dishonor him by believing he is the Son of God, and we believe you are by just calling him a prophet. According to Scripture, there is prophecy hundreds of years in advance that testify he is the messiah who would be a sacrifice for the sins of the world. When every knee bows and every tongue confesses that he is lord, not only he will receive glory from the wicked who will confess his deity and go to hell, but he will also be praised by those who love his appearing. He will receive the reward of his suffering and so will the Christians who love his appearing.

You didn't answer my question !!!

By faith Christians were sawn in half not accepting deliverance that they might obtain a better resurrection. It is still happening today Muslisms killing Christians. I feel that seeking the Lord is its own reward, and you can be sure I will have satisfaction watching all kindred, people and tongues confess his Lordship including those on this forum.

is this related to my request???

 

[Phil12123]

Yes, but one of these religions is right and the words of God are powerful and will not return void but will accomplish its purpose whether we get the satifaction or not. Jesus will get the reward of His suffering!

hmm, I'm interested in the explanation to this statement. Purestambrosia asked about it, but I didn't see anywhere u did, or maybe I missed it. But i'm very curious, who will reward Jesus? Don't only humans get rewarded?

Alapiana made that statement in one of his posts (above). He will have to say what he was referring to. No verses come to mind from which that statement may have been taken. Yes, only humans get rewarded, and in fact it is Jesus Who does the rewarding:

Rev. 22:12 --- "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work."

 

[Redeemed]

2. Hindus worship many gods whereas Trinitarians worship only one!

Actually many Hindu texts suggest that every Hindu god (even Vishnu and Shiva) are all just avatars of Brahman, therefore, giving it some monotheistic qualities, since everything is just an avatar of Brahman.

That is really something when it comes to those who worship many gods and goddesses you can see monotheism, but when we Christians try to tell you we believe in one God, you tell us we are polytheistic. I never heard the Hindis claiming they believe in one God, but we do. Besides, Jesus was prophesied to come centuries before this eastern heresy came into play.

 

[vpb]

Alapiana made that statement in one of his posts (above). He will have to say what he was referring to. No verses come to mind from which that statement may have been taken. Yes, only humans get rewarded, and in fact it is Jesus Who does the rewarding:

Rev. 22:12 --- "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work."

I suggest that alapiana made a mistake on making such a statement. which is ok, we all make mistakes.