What is the Proof ??

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asadxyz said:
My question is if this whole Universe can come into existence without a "Creator" ,then why not these small writings.
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I believe there is reasonable evidence the writings were created by Newton, which, in my opinion, is not the case for a creator universe.
 
Gator said:
I believe there is reasonable evidence the writings were created by Newton, which, in my opinion, is not the case for a creator universe.
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Peace;
Use your mind ,Trillions of items of the universe are created without a "Creator" why not these minute writings ? Unfortunately commons is very uncommon .You cannot make your own laws.If some principle is applicable for one thing ,that must be applicable for the other similar one.
 
asadxyz said:
If some principle is applicable for one thing ,that must be applicable for the other similar one.
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Er, no. There is no reason whatsoever to assume that if some principle is applicable to one thing it must be applicable to another. It might be, and the one case might provide evidence for the likelihood of the other, but how strong that is depends on how close the analogy is. As, in this case, one 'thing' is 'man writing books' and the other is 'God creating universe' the analogy is stretched, to say the least!
 
If you understood “The Matrix”, all of this would be clear. :giggling:

The Matrix is our reality; you just see a simulated reality. :confused:
 
Trumble said:
Er, no. There is no reason whatsoever to assume that if some principle is applicable to one thing it must be applicable to another. It might be, and the one case might provide evidence for the likelihood of the other, but how strong that is depends on how close the analogy is. As, in this case, one 'thing' is 'man writing books' and the other is 'God creating universe' the analogy is stretched, to say the least!
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Peace;
Universe is not composed of just "one thing" rather trillions of trillions of trillions (inumerable components).All these were created without any "Creator " why not this small writings.This is ridiculous to change the law according to your own will.This is what aheism is doing.
 
Yes you're right!

After all, the internet seemed to spring up overnight. It must have been made by god!

There is no other explination!
 
asadxyz said:
Peace;
Universe is not composed of just "one thing" rather trillions of trillions of trillions (inumerable components).All these were created without any "Creator " why not this small writings.This is ridiculous to change the law according to your own will.This is what aTheism is doing.
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why do you think they were created?
And you must remember the universe as we know it came into being through a long formation process. Read up on the big bang please.
Also remember e=mc2?

And if your creator does not require creation or a creator then why not something much less complicated?

The fact is that we have never observed anything to be "created".
We have no reason to believe that these evidences just poofed into existence. Now what proof do you have that we didnt just appear into existence last thursday with all of our memories prefabricated?
 
ranma1/2 said:
why do you think they were created?
And you must remember the universe as we know it came into being through a long formation process. Read up on the big bang please.
Also remember e=mc2?

And if your creator does not require creation or a creator then why not something much less complicated?

The fact is that we have never observed anything to be "created".
We have no reason to believe that these evidences just poofed into existence. Now what proof do you have that we didnt just appear into existence last thursday with all of our memories prefabricated?
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Everything came into existence automatically and Newton's writing (which call them Newton's) also came into existence automatically.No writer at all.
 
asadxyz said:
Everything came into existence automatically and Newton's writing (which call them Newton's) also came into existence automatically.No writer at all.
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so you agree that existence started 3 seconds ago?
 
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asadxyz said:
Peace;
Use your mind ,Trillions of items of the universe are created without a "Creator" why not these minute writings ? Unfortunately commons is very uncommon .You cannot make your own laws.If some principle is applicable for one thing ,that must be applicable for the other similar one.
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Newton's writings appear to be the result of a conscious mind where as most of the other stuff in the universe appears to me to be the results of natural processes (physics, chemistry, etc.).

As to your one guiding principle, are you saying that since I take the stance that the universe was based on natural processes that ALL things must have been brought about by some non-conscious process?
 
asadxyz said:
Everything came into existence automatically and Newton's writing also came into existence automatically. No writer at all.
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Riiiiiiiiiiight! :uuh:

While the rest of you are nattering away I am off for a beer!
 
asadxyz said:
Answer my question if you can.Distraction is always done when you are answerless.
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You should know. You have been provided with answers to all your questions yet it has become apparent you don't have a clue what to do with them.

All you have offered is a confused version of the (very old) argument by design. There are several responses to that, even when presented properly, the most straightforward of which is that the argument assumes the universe is a 'design' in order to prove it is the work of a designer. An atheist will argue that there is simply no justification to do that. The works of Newton and Aristotle, however, are designs and therefore require designers, i.e Newton and Aristotle. There are therefore two distinct situations; not the same or even 'similar'. Hence there is no reason to think what applies to one 'must' apply to the other or that there are any 'laws' applying to both to be broken.
 
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I think you are trying to tie down my worldview as that I have to cling to this simplified one rule of everything must come into existence out of nothing.

Your conception of the way I look at the world is incorrect and trying to tie me down with only a single part is somewhat disingenuous.

In conclusion, a simplified version of the way I view things is that the matter in the universe came from natural processes and through physics, chemistry developed life, which through evolution gave rise to conscious humans who developed language which Newton used to write his ideas.

No "laws" broken or changed. Remember these are just my ideas and don't have to necessarily be yours.

Thanks.
 
Gator said:
I think you are trying to tie down my worldview as that I have to cling to this simplified one rule of everything must come into existence out of nothing.

Your conception of the way I look at the world is incorrect and trying to tie me down with only a single part is somewhat disingenuous.

In conclusion, a simplified version of the way I view things is that the matter in the universe came from natural processes and through physics, chemistry developed life, which through evolution gave rise to conscious humans who developed language which Newton used to write his ideas.

No "laws" broken or changed. Remember these are just my ideas and don't have to necessarily be yours.

Thanks.
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Peace:
please which is the natural process which brings things from "non-being" to "being"??
 
asadxyz said:
Peace:
please which is the natural process which brings things from "non-being" to "being"??
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My idea is the natural processes are based on physics, chemistry, evolution, etc. These natural processes.

Again, I am giving you my opinion on all this thinking you want greater insight into my thinking. This may be totally and utterly wrong, but its what I think.

Thanks.
 

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