Taliban getting whipped

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Chechnya said:
funny how the taliban have been getting "whipped" for the last 6 years but still are fighting - and according to many analysts - getting stronger...:uhwhat
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Stronger?!:giggling: :uhwhat According to what analysts? LOL
 
jzcasejz said:
Bro, you are entitled to your own opinions, and I respect that, but you ain't doing your fellow Muslim Brothers any justice by making statements like that in public. You can make Du'a for them so Allaah (SWT) can guide them...but to speak like that about your fellow Muslims is not fair considering their country, Afghaanistan, has been in a total mess for the last decade and their conditions are really rough. And no, that does not mean I'm justifying them killing hostages beacuse that on the other hand is just wrong.

Wa'alaykum Salaam
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what makes a Muslim a Muslim to you? If someone is to call themself a muslim but not act like a Muslim are they still a muslim to you? If so, then if everyone reverted to Islam but no one wanted to walk in the footsteps of the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) would you still defend them? Make Du'a for them, yes, stay silent about injustice and misrepresentation, no. It is acting like a Muslim that makes you a Muslim, not just saying that you are. The Taliban are wrong and have been wrong from day one, they are transgressors.
 
We all have opinions and my conclusion in reading through here is most of us want to be arm chair experts on Islam, Afghanistan, and Taliban. I would say that unless we have lived in Afghanistan, as a Muslim under Taliban rule our opinions are of as much value as a fireworks display. Pretty and noisy, but leaves no lasting useful product.
 
MTAFFI said:
Stronger?!:giggling: :uhwhat According to what analysts? LOL
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MTAFFI said:
care to provide proof? I could supply some to PROVE otherwise

Of course if this is just an opinion then please just let us know and it will be treated as such :okay:
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if you look at official casualty rates amongst coalition troops the numbers have been rising since 2001

2007 206
+ 2006 401
+ 2005 267
+ 2004 214
+ 2003 97
+ 2002 72
+ 2001 35

http://www.icasualties.org/oef/
 
ISLAMASWEENEY said:
356 American Troops Have Died In Afghanistan And 70 British Troops Have Died.
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so what? You call that a victory?!?! LOL what a measley number, if they only kill 1000 troops but are forced from power and do not regain it and are left in the state they are in now, then it would still be worth it. Lives are expected to be lost when you are at war. Care to talk about how many taliban have been killed?
 
" And do not think that the ones killed in the path of Allah are did no, they are alive finding their sustenence in the presence of their lord ".(Al-Imran,v.169). :)
 
MTAFFI said:
what makes a Muslim a Muslim to you? If someone is to call themself a muslim but not act like a Muslim are they still a muslim to you? If so, then if everyone reverted to Islam but no one wanted to walk in the footsteps of the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) would you still defend them? Make Du'a for them, yes, stay silent about injustice and misrepresentation, no. It is acting like a Muslim that makes you a Muslim, not just saying that you are. The Taliban are wrong and have been wrong from day one, they are transgressors.
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First of all, I don't wanna take part in a debate since I wasn't taking any sides. The main message of my post was that a Muslim should not speak like that about another Brother and that is the reason why I quoted that specific part of the post. The post mentioned stuff about their prayers...and their prayers are with God...so how can we Muslims judge their prayers? That's all I was saying. I even specifically said I respect his opinion of the Taliban...just that we shouldn't speak ill about their acts of worship i.e. their prayer. I sure as hell would be displeased if someone said my prayers were not doing me any good. I pray but sometimes may commit a sin...does that mean my prayers are not doing me any good? Only Allaah (SWT) knows and we should always remain hopeful of our prayers.

And yes! One has every right to speak out against injustice. I myself even personally said killing hostages wrong. Was I not speaking out against injustice? The main message of my post to the Bro was not to speak like that about fellow Muslims. And now to another subject...judging by your post, you're implying that the Taliban are not Muslims based on their actions?

Well, unless you can get clear evidence they they're not Muslims...then you're right. But to claim someone is a non-muslim over a few sins is wrong. Yes - sinners who still bear witness the Shahaadah are still Muslims...as long as it's not from the major nullifiers of al-Islaam. Indeed, it was the ways of the Khawaarij in which they declared anyone who commits grave sins as non-muslims. Even if a Muslim is a sinner, we should not disown him and speak ill of them - but rather we should remain hopeful for them. And this issue of declaring others non-muslim is dangerous...so I personally would not declare, nor think, of anyone as non-muslim. This stuff is best left to the Scholars.

BTW, when saying a sinner is still a Muslim, that does not mean any kaafir can take the Shahaadah and do sins and get rewarded Paradise. Everyone will be punished and rewarded accordingly. Only Allaah (SWT) knows who's sincere and who's not.
 
ISLAMASWEENEY said:
We Shoundnt Of Invaded In The First Place I Think.
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In hindsight, no I dont think we should have, but at the time I must admit I agreed with it. I thought of it as knocking out two birds with one stone, 1) get rid of a dictator and free an oppressed people 2) take out a potential terrorist haven.

It seems now that all we have done is make an even bigger mess, so to your point, no I dont think we should have picked this time to invade but I will say that at some point someone had to put Saddam down, he was a ruthless and evil man. I think the timing was bad though.
 
jzcasejz said:
First of all, I don't wanna take part in a debate since I wasn't taking any sides. The main message of my post was that a Muslim should not speak like that about another Brother and that is the reason why I quoted that specific part of the post. The post mentioned stuff about their prayers...and their prayers are with God...so how can we Muslims judge their prayers? That's all I was saying. I even specifically said I respect his opinion of the Taliban...just that we shouldn't speak ill about their acts of worship i.e. their prayer. I sure as hell would be displeased if someone said my prayers were not doing me any good. I pray but sometimes may commit a sin...does that mean my prayers are not doing me any good? Only Allaah (SWT) knows and we should always remain hopeful of our prayers.

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I am sincerely sorry, I think that I must have misinterpreted your post. I agree with you that no ones prayers should be judged or that they may not be doing any good. I didnt take it as skywalker or fishman were judging their prayers so I guess that is why I got a little confused, I took it as they were saying that they pray but they dont take action to not commit the sins that they are committing. I think your final statement says it all

when saying a sinner is still a Muslim, that does not mean any kaafir can take the Shahaadah and do sins and get rewarded Paradise. Everyone will be punished and rewarded accordingly. Only Allaah (SWT) knows who's sincere and who's not.

I apologize for the misunderstanding, but thank you for clearing yourself up :)
 
Chechnya said:
funny how the taliban have been getting "whipped" for the last 6 years but still are fighting - and according to many analysts - getting stronger...:uhwhat
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yup - this is what i read also. they are in complete control now of some areas in afghanistan and some villages in pakistan. in pakistan, their influence is growing and spreading.
to say that they're "getting whipped" may be wishful thinking, but that is not what is going on, from everything i can tell.
 
Woodrow said:
We all have opinions and my conclusion in reading through here is most of us want to be arm chair experts on Islam, Afghanistan, and Taliban. I would say that unless we have lived in Afghanistan, as a Muslim under Taliban rule our opinions are of as much value as a fireworks display. Pretty and noisy, but leaves no lasting useful product.
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i agree with you in principle. but in reality - think about it - if we all only spoke about that which we know for sure, you would be able to cut the silence with a knife!
i live in california - do i know everything that is happening in my state? i live in a small town - do i know everything that is going on here?
does anyone really?
if there were no "arm chair experts" there would be no forums at all!
so we will all continue to make noise and go blah blah blah and most of us will be under the temporary delusion that we actually know what we are talking about.
and hopefully, we will learn to listen to and respect each other more.
 
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