Err...speak for yourself.
Atheism is simply lack of believe in a deity or deities. Thats it.
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Err...speak for yourself.
Atheism is simply lack of believe in a deity or deities. Thats it.
Did you know that from the perspective of every non-muslim, muslims have no morals? Hell, even muslims cant decide with 100% everything that is moral and immoral. *gasp!*
Wanna know a little secret? Morality is subjective. Yes I know, I blew your mind. That'll $5
Atheists have no moral code as the religions have.
Why in such societies women are being exploited and Porn industery is flourishing.Why single mothers ? Why AIDS prevalent .Why Alcohol prevalent ?
No moral values except "rod" or state laws.Let me know why they do not ban alcohol? ONly Monetary gain.??This is all what atheism teaches.
Exploitation of women ,alcoholism ,porn industery ,spreading of AIDS ,all these faculties belong to such a group who is immoral and lacking inner motive to stop all this non sense.Who can be other than atheists who have no moral code and say "Porn is not immoral"?.
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Every once in a while something comes to surface and there is no existing word that describes it and a new word needs to be created.
[MAD]Atheistaphobia[/MAD].
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I just say:
What you so called non-Moral-Code people do free , many muslims do secretly.
or do you think, all muslims are innocent, now do you ?
I was curious, so I clicked the link 'Muslims4marriage.com' they advertise here on the forum and , *pheeewww* I saw a few half-naked muslim girls posing on pics. Just look for members like 'lovelyfatima' in sexy yellow top shirt or 'slave4Allah' with huge cleavage.
So the answer to
I can only reply 'Islam teaches no better', they just do it secretly !
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thats true I wonder if its better to believe in strict codes yet violate them, or to not believe in them and not violate them...
Morality i think is a good concept, alcohol and pre marital sex can lead to problems like disease and self injury from acting stupid.. all things in excess gluttony can lead to lack of wisdom and much selfishness..\
however I find many people who are very religious and moral that are extremely selfish and lack wisdom.. some religious people can be bigoted and cruel to others not from thier religion. also i find people who are very inhibited by thier religion can become very rebellious later in life and do all kinds of immoral things that will get them in trouble later in life...
I think the best testement to character is someone who has free ability to do immoral things and chooses not too...not because he fears punishment or ostracisation, but because he simply chooses not too...
and those that do things in moderation and are careful and do not cause harm to others.. there is no reason to be to judgemental i think.
In America most of us are raised in rather moral house holds and our parents tell us not to drink not to smoke, not to do reckless things.. to do our school work.. But as we become teenagers we rebel against our parents.. so we get punished and yelled at.... and then as teenagers then we move away and we grow up and have families and do the same to our kids because we realise our parents were right all along..
hollywood and porn is not an accurate observation of our culture..
Morality i think is a good concept, alcohol and pre marital sex can lead to problems like disease and self injury from acting stupid.. all things in excess gluttony can lead to lack of wisdom and much selfishness..\
however I find many people who are very religious and moral that are extremely selfish and lack wisdom.. some religious people can be bigoted and cruel to others not from thier religion. also i find people who are very inhibited by thier religion can become very rebellious later in life and do all kinds of immoral things that will get them in trouble later in life...
I think the best testement to character is someone who has free ability to do immoral things and chooses not too...not because he fears punishment or ostracisation, but because he simply chooses not too...
and those that do things in moderation and are careful and do not cause harm to others.. there is no reason to be to judgemental i think.
In America most of us are raised in rather moral house holds and our parents tell us not to drink not to smoke, not to do reckless things.. to do our school work.. But as we become teenagers we rebel against our parents.. so we get punished and yelled at.... and then as teenagers then we move away and we grow up and have families and do the same to our kids because we realise our parents were right all along..
hollywood and porn is not an accurate observation of our culture..
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There is no mention of alcohol, so they must not be immoral atheists.
http://www.gvnet.com/childprostitution/Iran.htm
Child Prostitution
The Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children
Islamic Republic of Iran
Iran has one of the highest rates of drug usage in the region. In addition to its social and economic consequences, drug use is emerging as a major contributor to HIV infection and AIDS.
Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - 2005
TRAFFICKING IN PERSONS – According to foreign observers, women and girls are trafficked to Pakistan, Turkey, and Europe for sexual exploitation. Boys from Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Afghanistan were trafficked through the country to the Gulf states. Afghan women and girls were trafficked to the country for sexual exploitation and forced marriages. Internal trafficking for sexual exploitation and forced labor also occurs.
The Committee is concerned about reports of trafficking and sale of persons under 18 years of age, particularly young girls from rural areas, facilitated by "temporary marriages" or "siqeh" - marriages which last from 1 hour to 99 years. It is also concerned at reports of the trafficking of such persons from Afghanistan to Iran, who are apparently sold or sent by their families in Afghanistan for exploitation, including cheap labor.
Political Executions, Child Prostitution, and Forced Marriage at the Age of 9
Child prostitution has risen 635 percent in recent years. Dozens of Iranian girls are brought to Karachi, Pakistan, to be sold as sex slaves every day. Reports in Tehran newspapers indicate that senior government figures have been involved in human trafficking. There are at least 300,000 runaway girls in Iran.
Child Prostitution Ring Run By Revolutionary Guards Officers Uncovered In Iran
A number of government officials and security officers were arrested during raids on at least five houses used as brothels in and around the town of Neka (northern Iran). The raids, conducted during the past two weeks, uncovered several organized child prostitution rings running the brothels. Many runaway girls, some as young as 13, were being forced into prostitution by these gangs.
Fear of imminent execution/fear of flogging
“Leyla M", who has a mental age of eight, is reportedly facing imminent execution for "morality-related" offences arising from her being forced into prostitution as a child. According to a Tehran newspaper report of 28 November, she was sentenced to death by a court in the central Iranian city of Arak while she was 18.
Human Trafficking and Forced Prostitution
This abhorrent form of exploitation does not confine itself to adult women, but extends to children as well. The head of the Tehran province judiciary asserts that traffickers looking to sell women in the international market target girls between 13 and 17, although some of the girls are reported to be as young as 8 and 10. The younger girls are often forced to work as maids until slave traders deem them old enough to work out of clubs, motels, or brothels.
Iran's Trafficking of Persons, Especially Women and Children
The prostitution of children also has surfaced as a matter of concern. In January 2000, Iranian authorities closed down six brothels in Tehran and arrested 35 people, including some minors. Every day, an average of 45 Iranian girls run away from home to escape poverty, abuse, and social imprisonment. Though some are picked up by the police and brought to welfare organizations, many falls into the hands of organized prostitution rings.
Your logic is absolutely wrong.Islam does not teach nakeness.Study its teaching.'
Atheists have no moral code ,if there is bring forward.Their only source of guidance is their own wisdom.Since wisdom and thought of every person may be different ,so there cannot be any consesus on any Moral code.
This factor is not present in Islam.
If some atheist adopts naked ness ,he may think it is correct according to his moral code (because there is no standardization) but in case of Islam no one can say it is right in Islam.
It is the reason :
- Women exploitation more (much more ) in atheist societies
- Porn industery is flourishing much more in atheist society
- Alcoholism is much more prevalent in this society.
But on the other hand a true muslim will be afraid of doing such act even in lonliness because he knows tha "Allah" is aware of all his deeds.
There are no athiest societies so you have no argument.
In the West most believe in the rights of the individual. If an individual wants to walk around naked thats fine. But the moral code is that you cannot do so in public.
So it needs to be limited to a group of like minded people who do so behind a big fence.
In an Islamic society the fence would be destroyed and the people punished.
In Islam the individual has no rights - you must obey Islam.
In the West most believe in the rights of the individual. If an individual wants to walk around naked thats fine. But the moral code is that you cannot do so in public.
So it needs to be limited to a group of like minded people who do so behind a big fence.
In an Islamic society the fence would be destroyed and the people punished.
In Islam the individual has no rights - you must obey Islam.
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Hmmm, at least have the decency, to say 'This is my opinion' and don't use the 'we' because many muslims don't share your point of view.
About your 'facts', could I see some links of your source of informations, or is it just again YOUR guessing?
You know, don't put muslims on an too much high podium, because you know, the higher you climb, the deeper you're going to fall down.
In addition, topic 'Morality' : My wife often chat on Yahoo with friends of her country. When people see her profile and her pic, many MEN contact her with some really specific claims like 'Can you show me your....' etc..
And guess what, most are MUSLIMS from Saudi Arabia, Iran and Turkey.
So don't tell me about Morality among Muslims. This is so ridiculous.
I have no reason not to believe you.This non sense might have happened.But almighty Allah and His Prophet(PBUH) 's teachings do not allow it.So it is by itself a proof that those persons do not belong to muslim community even if they have muslim names.Practically those are "Atheists".
Because it is only the atheists group which can think so immorally and drops from the level of humanity.(Actions speak louder than words)
Examples I have quoted above.
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I still wait for some reliable sources where the 'WE' support those statements of yours !
Please don't miss to provide me
Are you the one, who gives the definition, who is a muslim and who not?
I saw really seducing pics of muslims girls on this website 'Muslims4marriage'. In that case, there are 2 possibilities:
- Or you are speaking rubbish
- Or LI Forum make advertising for 'evil' websites
Do not beat about the bush.If you have some moral code ,bring forward.
If no which I am sure you do not have ,accept it.
So simple.
who has constructed this code ? Self made ,no proof .
If Code is so why are these playing with the life of people through
- Alcoholism
- Porn industery
- Spreading AIDS
- Abortions (Killing of human being in the uterus)
Is this only for monetary gain ?
So human being are worse than any thing according to atheists.
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You still didn't provide me any sources, don't miss to do that. I'm eager to read
And concerning my moral code, don't worry, I'm happily married and have 2 wonderful kids. I'm an absolut faithful husband, so I have a good moral code, but thanks for your concern