Non muslim wearing hijab

[wilberhum]

a woman who leaves little to the imagination is usually treated like dirt,

Now that's an interesting remark.

 

[bewildred]

.......and covering the body of the woman gives a lot of work to imagination. Sometimes, it's not about women, it's about perverted minds who still consider the female junto as a prey.

Bewildred

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Now that's an interesting remark.

I didn't mean that in an offencive way, but at the same time its not too far from the truth.

.......and covering the body of the woman gives a lot of work to imagination. Sometimes, it's not about women, it's about perverted minds who still consider the female junto as a prey.

and how often would u find a pervert feeling attracted to a woman he doesn't see? its why muslim woman are told to cover themselves, hence the verse from the quran;

“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allaah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”

[al-Ahzaab 33:59]

 

[bewildred]

and how often would u find a pervert feeling attracted to a woman he doesn't see? its why muslim woman are told to cover themselves, hence the verse from the quran;

Dearest brother in soul,

I was waiting for my hubby to pick me up from work when a lady veiled from head to toes passed me by. She was walking slowly and the smallest lil flesh that showed up attracted the guys attention. I wondered if one has to care about the males reactions or our own conception of Hijab.

Bewildred

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Dearest brother in soul,

I was waiting for my hubby to pick me up from work when a lady veiled from head to toes passed me by. She was walking slowly and the smallest lil flesh that showed up attracted the guys attention. I wondered if one has to care about the males reactions or our own conception of Hijab.

Bewildred

so ur saying...he felt attracted to almost nothing? because what my implication was that if u dont see the face u wont be attracted.

Obviously your concept of offencive and mine are different.

But at the same time it is as far from the truth as you can get where I live.

But we don't think women should be covered by tents either.

clearly, you haven't seen the amount of woman who are desired because of their bodies compared with the amount of woman who actually use their brains.

let me give u an example, i remember a long time ago in this documentary they were talking about some who stripped completely naked in order to attract people to her friends (or someone, i cant remember exctally) business, and some 15-20 years on she is still remembered for taking her clothes off in public, where is the dignity?

name me one woman today who is uniquely known around the world for what she has achieved excluding her figure? while on the other hand a muslim woman has everything to show to the world EXCEPT her figure to strange men.

 

[wilberhum]

clearly, you haven't seen the amount of woman who are desired because of their bodies compared with the amount of woman who actually use their brains.

I live in the US. I'm told the women here run around half nude. :giggling:

When men got an ocasional glimps at an ankle, they went wild.

Now that we have seen thousands and thousands of knees, it is no big deal. :hmm:

 

[bewildred]

I only said that the work of mind is more active than that of the eyes.

I'm a muslim mom who wears the hijab since 1993. I was 19. That year I got all kinds of nasty comments. I do believe that sutra is elementary for a woman. The latter should be humble in her clothing and her way of walking.

My point is that sometimes some men would harass women even if these ones do nothing to deserve such behavior. Pfewwwww, I hope I made my idea clearer.

Bewildred

 

['Abd-al Latif]

I live in the US. I'm told the women here run around half nude.

When men got an ocasional glimps at an ankle, they went wild.

Now that we have seen thousands and thousands of knees, it is no big deal.

yeah...the muslim woman is too important to be on display like some cheap product.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

I only said that the work of mind is more active than that of the eyes.

I'm a muslim mom who wears the hijab since 1993. I was 19. That year I got all kinds of nasty comments. I do believe that sutra is elementary for a woman. The latter should be humble in her clothing and her way of walking.

My point is that sometimes some men would harass women even if these ones do nothing to deserve such behavior. Pfewwwww, I hope I made my idea clearer.

Bewildred

May Allah protect you sister, your reasons are different to what i was implying. but anyhow a muslims final resting place isn't this world because its just like a train stop, we r here today and inshAllah tomorrow we return home to jannah.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

I now that's why some are covered in tents and locked up behind blackend windows.

Now is that show how important they are?

No, it shows they are nothing more that chattel.

tents? locked up? blackend windows? where r u getting this from? seems to me like ur judgeing a book (islam) by its cover. becuse its the woman are not forced to wear hijab, they chose to wear it.

note they key words; not forced.

 

[ahsan28]

But at the same time it is as far from the truth as you can get where I live.

But we don't think women should be covered by tents either. :hmm:

Its because honourable behaviour is not encouraged in society. Women are treated by what they wear. A woman dressed modestly is treated differently, compared to a woman dressed in revealing clothes.

So what effect does image have in society? Does it matter what we wear and how we look? What's wrong if we wear revealing clothes?

When we look at Western society, we see how important image is. We are obsessed with how we look, and what image we portray. This may seem harmless but I honestly believe this leads to a selfish society, where we are only concerned with ourselves. We spend money to look good, to attract the right people. We lose our modesty.

The Quran commands the men to lower their gaze and commands the women to cover themselves. Now you will say 'Well if the men lower their gaze then it shouldn't matter what the women wear. Men have stronger urges compared to women. If a pious man sees something pretty he may be strong enough to lower his gaze once. But what if whenever he turns a corner he sees something desirable, or everywhere he looks he sees revealing beauty? How can this man keep his lusts in check? And even if the pious man manages to lower his gaze, what about the man with less willpower? He will surely indulge in the beauty he sees, and here the temptations start and lead to undesirable acts. Therefore a woman must guard her modesty by covering herself completely, which you may consider covering by the tents

Remember rapists and molestors don't just chase mini skirts, they prey on vulnerable women as well

 

[bewildred]

I just want to send my greatest admiration to the ladies wh chose to wear "TENTS". Can you imagine the amount of courage it can take one to make such a decision? I mean, in a society that's so very superficial. Some pseudo diktats think they have the right to impose the corrupt occidental aesthetic kanons on us?

These ladies are so brave to follow their religion and back face the fashion current. Hats off to you ladies and may you get the respect that you deserve.

Bewildred

 

['Abd-al Latif]

I now that's why some are covered in tents and locked up behind blackend windows.

Now is that show how important they are?

No, it shows they are nothing more that chattel.

since u live in the US u must be aware of the 'thug' lifestyle people live over there. would u not be in comfort while u r at work to know that ur wife is covered and protects her beauty only to reveal herself to ur eyes?

 

[wilberhum]

tents? locked up? blackend windows? where r u getting this from? seems to me like ur judgeing a book (islam) by its cover.

QUESTION TO ALL THE MUSLIM SISTERS ON THIS FORUM

do u agree with the words of wilberhum? (this is just so wilberhum doesn't think im making this all up, so he can hear the views of the sisters himself.)

Standard Taliban treatment and I never said Islam. :skeleton:

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Standard Taliban treatment and I never said Islam. :skeleton:

taliban?

i only did that cuz its late here in UK im not really in the mood to debate.

 

[Pygoscelis]

First, to the person who said men are more swayed by appearances than women are, I'm not so sure that is true. You'd have to factor in social and economic matters which I think play a major role here. Over here in the west men are expected to be horndogs and women are expected not to be (ie the peculiar way promiscuous women are looked down on and promiscuous men are admired - less so than during the 'christian family values' era, but the double standard is still there a little). From what I can tell gender roles are even more entrenched over there.

Second, have you ever spoken with nudists (I assume you'd never actually go to a nudist colony as I have done)? You may be suprised how powerful the nudity taboo is in creating carnal desire.

 

[Isambard]

Why dont men cover their hair? As far as I am aware, women have sexual urges as well.

That said, if the men of the society have so much trouble keeping it under the belt, then why dont they take some impotance drugs or just get rid of it all together? This would make much more sense then having womencompletely covered for the convience of men.

 

[جوري]

men cover their heads as well.. I don't know if it is mandatory
here are some head covering for Jewish men

here is one of a Yemeni Jew

here are some coverings for monks in spain... similar to KKK .. posted similar in another thread

sikhs covering their head

of course this is famous and popular in parts of middle east

so yeah men cover too.. however the requirements differ...
there is dignity in clothes and loss of when people are stripped of them... that is why people don't show up to work in their speedos.. and don't give sermons in G strings...But we do notice that the first thing war mongers do is strip people of their clothes, and take picture of them for voyeuristic pleasures.....
Anyhow this shouldn't even be a topic for a debate.. like the wife of the Turkish president once said.. I have only a covering on my head but not on my mind...

oh.. 'the president' sports a kippah

becoming?

Another addendum... nothing wrong with having carnal desires... better than being desensitized from all the free nakedness in my opinion... covering isn't a denial of sexuality.. rather to maintain respect and dignity of the individual.. sexuality to be designated to where appropriate and under the sanctity of marriage.. only animals copulate with whatever crosses their path... Humans with any hope are ennobled.. at least those of them that choose to not give in to the temptations of the lower self and subscribe to the quality of being worthy of esteem and respect!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

You gotta admit, guys get aroused faster...I don't get aroused when i see a guy hairy legss or short messy hair or somethin...big difference.

 

[Isambard]

You gotta admit, guys get aroused faster...I don't get aroused when i see a guy hairy legss or short messy hair or somethin...big difference.

Depends on the person, but generally speaking you are correct...if you only focus of visual stimulus...Women get aroused by situation and more abstract things thou studies with cameras have found that women are more likely to look a guy over and with more frequency then a man is to do to a woman. The difference lies in men's more narrow field of vision and lack of tact...which means they are simply caught more lol

Thnx for the post PA, I was wondering what the shawls were for. What about the beard though? Ive heard that Islamic men should have beards because it makes them masculine, if thats the case, wouldnt it be similar to how being curvey or having breasts makes a woman feminine?