Is the Qur'an from God?

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It was preserved by his(saw) followers not really written...

 

[alexie]

I Hi Guys

I have some thoughts about Jesus in the Koran but I am confused as it is different to some Muslims I have chatted to
What do you make of it?

surah al-Imran 3:45 and surah
Ambiyaa 21:91. Allah said that He would put his Word into
Maryam. What or who is Allah’s “Word?” To better
understand this, read surah Ambiyaa 21:91 “…and she
(Maryam) guarded her chastity, therefore We breathed into her
of our Spirit and made her and her son a sign for all people.”
Why do we refer to Isa as “Isa Kalimatullah” and “Isa
Ruhullah?” The Qur’an makes it clear; Isa is the Word (Kalim)
and Spirit (Ruh) of Allah. No other person or prophet carries
these titles.
Allah’s “Word” and “Spirit” were placed inside of Maryam and
became a living baby. Allah told Maryam to name the baby Isa
al-Masih (Jesus the Messiah). Al-Masih means “the anointed
or promised one.” 758 years before the birth of Isa, the prophet
Isaiah wrote, “…a virgin will conceive and his name will be

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called, ‘Immanuel’ (Isaiah 7:14). “Immanuel” is a Hebrew
word meaning, “Allah is with us.”
Isa would be honored by all people in this world and forever in
heaven and he would be one of those nearest to Allah Himself.
The Qur’an paints a picture of Isa for us. He is Allah’s Kalim
(Word), His Ruh (Spirit), (al-Masih) the promised anointed
one, and “a sign for (all) the nations” (Ambiyaa 21:91). When
we want to go somewhere that we have never gone before, we
look for a sign to guide us. Where will we go if we follow Isa?

 

[MustafaMc]

I hope that I don't offend you, but I must correct the errors in this post.

The quran was written by the caliphs that described the prophets teachings and sayings.

This is completely false. The caliphs did not write the Quran.

From http://islam.about.com/gi/dynamic/o....usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/compilationbrief.html

During the life of the Prophet (saas) (570-632 CE)

• The Prophet (saas) used to recite the Qur'an before angel Jibreel (Gabriel) once every Ramadan, but he recited it twice (in the same order we have today) in the last Ramadan before his death. Jibreel also taught the Prophet (saas) the seven modes of recitation.
• Each verse received was recited by the Prophet, and its location relative to other verses and surahs was identified by him.
• The verses were written by scribes, selected by the Prophet, on any suitable object - the leaves of trees, pieces of wood, parchment or leather, flat stones, and shoulder blades. Scribes included Ali Ibn Abi Talib, Mu'awiyah Ibn Abi Sufyan, Ubey Ibn Ka'ab, Zayed Ibn Thabit.
• Some of the companions wrote the Qur'an for their own use.
• Several hundred companions memorized the Qur'an by heart.

During the caliphate of Abu Bakr (632-634 CE)

• Umar Ibn Al-Khattab urged Abu Bakr to preserve and compile the Qur'an. This was prompted after the battle of Yamamah, where heavy casualties were suffered among the reciters who memorized the Qur'an.
• Abu Bakr entrusted Zayed Ibn Thabit with the task of collecting the Qur'an. Zayed had been present during the last recitation of the Qur'an by the Prophet to Angel Jibreel (Gabriel).
• Zayed, with the help of the companions who memorized and wrote verses of the Qur'an, accomplished the task and handed Abu Bakr the first authenticated copy of the Qur'an. The copy was kept in the residence of Hafsah, daughter of Umar and wife of the Prophet.

During the caliphate of Uthman (644-656 CE)

• Uthman ordered Zayed Ibn Thabit, Abdullah Ibn Al Zubayr, Saeed Ibn Al-Aas, and Abdur-Rahman Ibn Harith Ibn Hisham to make perfect copies of the authenticated copy kept with Hafsa. This was due to the rapid expansion of the Islamic state and concern about differences in recitation.
• Copies were sent to various places in the Muslim world. The original copy was returned to Hafsa, and a copy was kept in Madinah.

The sayings and teachigns from the prophet were from god but the book was written by man.

Partially true, particularly if one refers to the Hadith. The Quran was recorded by man which is different from man writing it. If I record exactly what President Bush said in a speech, then I am acting as a scribe and only recording his words. However, if I take notes from the speech and come up with a summary in my own words then I am acting as an author. The Quran was recited by Prophet Muhammad (saaws) as revealed to him through the Angel Jibrail and others recorded exactly what was revealed.

This is like the bible for christians. It was not written by jesus but by his followers.

No, the Quran is quite unlike the Bible. There are red letter editions of the NT to indicate what few words Jesus (as) supposedly to have said. In contrast, every letter of the Quran was spoken by Prophet Muhammad. There is also a clear distinction between revelation (Quran) and what Prohet Muhammad (saaws) said in every day circumstances (Hadith).

 

[MustafaMc]

However, as a Christian, there is an alternative explanation of the Qur'an - The Devil knows all these facts, and he could have revealed the Qur'an to Muhammad (SAW). How do we know that the Qur'an is God's word and not the Devil's? No-one actually saw the Angel Gabriel, only Muhammad (SAW).

Actually, I have no proof that the Quran is from God other than the application of logic. Before we recite a portion of the Quran we first say, "Bismillahi a-Rahmani a-Raheem. A'udhu Billahi mina Shaytan a-rajeem" meaning "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. I seek refuge in Allah from Shaytan, the accursed." Shaytan is never put in a favorable light in the Quran - actually quite the opposite.

I am sure that you could counter that the teaching of Islam was an elaborate plan by Shaytan to lead followers of Muhammad away from the worship of Jesus as being at the same time God and Son of God. You may say that Shaytan misled us to think that we are worshiping our Creator as He wants to be worshiped, but in the end getting us to reject the doctrine of Jesus being the Son of God and his death on the cross as a redemption from our sins. From a Christian perspective we Muslims could be sincere in our worship of Allah, but in the end, since we reject the Christian "Plan of Salvation", not gaining the Paradise that we seek. We Muslims, of course, would strongly disagree with such ideas.

If you entertain these thoughts as being true, then I hope that you accept that the questions you ask could just as easily be asked about portions of the Bible and the hypothetical points that I made above about being misled could just as easily be applied to Christians.

 

[nocturne]

I think its a question of common-sense.

We all know Iblis(Satan) does not like humans and want all of us to go to hell.
So how does devoting oneself to god straying from the right path....

 

[MustafaMc]

I Hi Guys

I have some thoughts about Jesus in the Koran but I am confused as it is different to some Muslims I have chatted to
What do you make of it?

surah al-Imran 3:45 and surah
Ambiyaa 21:91. Allah said that He would put his Word into
Maryam. What or who is Allah’s “Word?”

I think that this question is best answered by the verses following 3:45 and other portions of the Quran cited below.

Quran 3:45-47 When the angels said "O Maryem! Allah gives you the good news with a Word from Him that you will be given a son: his name will be Messiah, Isa (Jesus Christ) the son of Maryem. He will be noble in this world and the Hereafter; and he will be from those who are very close to Allah. He will speak to the people in the cradle and in his old age and he will be among the righteous." Hearing this, Maryem said, "O my Rabb! How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me?" He replied, "Even so, Allah creates however He wants; whenever He decides to do anything, He only says it to 'Be' and it is!.

The angel Jibrail conveyed the message to Mary about the birth of Jesus much in the way that Ibrahim was informed of the miraculous birth of his son Ishaq. Ayat 47 informs us how Jesus was created by a simple word "Be" from Allah. This is also confirmed in Quran 19:35-36 It is not befitting to the majesty of Allah that He Himself should beget a son! He is far above this (weakness to get a son for name, fame, help or continuity of race); for when He decrees a matter He need only say: "Be" and it is. Isa declared, Verily Allah is my Rabb and your Rabb: therefore serve Him. This is a Right Way.

This point is repeated in the Quran due to the miraculous nature of Jesus' birth. Just as Jesus did not originate with the natural union of a man and a woman, Adam also had a miraculous origin that culminated with the word "Be" from Allah. Quran 3:59-60 In fact the example of the birth of Isa ( Jesus) in the sight of Allah is like the example of Adam who had no father and mother, whom He created out of dust, then said to him: "Be" and he was. This is the Truth from your Rabb, therefore, do not be of those who doubt it.

To better understand this, read surah Ambiyaa 21:91 “…and she
(Maryam) guarded her chastity, therefore We breathed into her
of our Spirit and made her and her son a sign for all people.”
Why do we refer to Isa as “Isa Kalimatullah” and “Isa
Ruhullah?” The Qur’an makes it clear; Isa is the Word (Kalim)
and Spirit (Ruh) of Allah. No other person or prophet carries
these titles.
Allah’s “Word” and “Spirit” were placed inside of Maryam and
became a living baby. Allah told Maryam to name the baby Isa
al-Masih (Jesus the Messiah). Al-Masih means “the anointed
or promised one.”

The verse that you quoted is true. Quran 21:91 And We blessed the woman (Maryam), who guarded her chastity, We breathed into her of Our Spirit and We made her and her son a sign for the whole world. This is one of the mysteries that are not completely understood, but again the likeness is of Adam. Quran 15:28-29 Remember when your Rabb said to the angels: "I am about to create a man from sounding clay, black mud moulded into shape; when I complete his moulding and breath into him of My spirit, kneel down and prostrate before him."

Another relevant passage:

Quran 4:171-172 O People of the Book! Do not transgress the limits of your religion. Speak nothing but the Truth about Allah. The Messiah, Isa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary) was no more than a Rasool of Allah and His Word "Be" which He bestowed on Maryam and a Spirit from Him which took the shape of a child in her womb. So believe in Allah and His Rasools and do not say: "Trinity"." Stop saying that, it is better for you. Allah is only One Deity. He is far above from the need of having a son! To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the Earth. Allah Alone is sufficient for protection. The Messiah (Jesus) never disdained to be the worshipper of Allah nor do the angels who are nearest to Allah. Whosoever disdains His worship and is arrogant will be brought before Him all together. The commentary on this ayat in Yusuf Ali says "Christ's attributes are mentioned .... (4) a spirit proceeding from Allah, but not Allah...."

758 years before the birth of Isa, the prophet
Isaiah wrote, “…a virgin will conceive and his name will be
called, ‘Immanuel’ (Isaiah 7:14). “Immanuel” is a Hebrew
word meaning, “Allah is with us.”
Isa would be honored by all people in this world and forever in
heaven and he would be one of those nearest to Allah Himself.
The Qur’an paints a picture of Isa for us. He is Allah’s Kalim
(Word), His Ruh (Spirit), (al-Masih) the promised anointed
one, and “a sign for (all) the nations” (Ambiyaa 21:91). When
we want to go somewhere that we have never gone before, we
look for a sign to guide us. Where will we go if we follow Isa?

If you follow Isa, you will follow the one that he prophesied to come after him. The Comforter spoken of repeatedly in John is understood by Christians to be the Holy Spirit, but Muslims understand the Comforter in John to be Prophet Muhammad.

John 16:12-14 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, [these] shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall take of mine, and shall declare [it] unto you.

It is understood by all Muslims that the Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad and that he recited words that were not his own. The first revelation was: Quran 96:1 Read! In the name of your Rabb Who created According to commentary in Yusuf Ali translation "Iqraa may mean "read", or "recite" or "reherse", or "proclaim aloud", the object understood being Allah's Message" Also, Quran 29:45 Recite from this Book (Al-Qur'an) which has been revealed to you...

 

[alexie]

If you follow Isa, you will follow the one that he prophesied to come after him. The Comforter spoken of repeatedly in John is understood by Christians to be the Holy Spirit, but Muslims understand the Comforter in John to be Prophet Muhammad.

Where in the Koran does it say Mohammod is the one to follow Isa?
How does Mohommod help follow Isa when Isa died, was resurrected and went into heaven. This is what the Koran says? This also does not make sense when one studies the Holy Spirit in the Injil.

 

[MustafaMc]

Without entering into a debate, I will try to answer your questions.

Where in the Koran does it say Mohammod is the one to follow Isa?

It doesn't.

How does Mohommod help follow Isa when Isa died, was resurrected and went into heaven. This is what the Koran says?

Actually, the Quran says that Jesus ascended without dying.

This also does not make sense when one studies the Holy Spirit in the Injil.

You are right some verses of the Gospels specifically say the Holy Spirit is the one prophesied to come after Jesus.

 

[Sheba]

After reading a lot about the Qur'an, I have come to the conclusion that it is not of human origin. There are too many scientific statements ahead of its time, mathematical miracles etc, for it to be the work of a mere man.

However, as a Christian, there is an alternative explanation of the Qur'an - The Devil knows all these facts, and he could have revealed the Qur'an to Muhammad (SAW). How do we know that the Qur'an is God's word and not the Devil's? No-one actually saw the Angel Gabriel, only Muhammad (SAW).

While I have heard the argument "Why would the Devil tell us to worship God?", Christians believe that if you do not believe in Jesus as the Son of God, you cannot know God (1 John 2:23). Therefore, they claim, that Devil is leading people away from God with the Qur'an by rejecting the Son.

This post is not intended to cause debate, I am just sincerely seeking answers and wanting to know the truth about Islam and the Qur'an.

Peace Micheal,

In the past the same thing was said about Moses...why should people believe that he was a messenger of God. The reply was...by the message he brought.
Look at the message of the Quran and judge for yourself the truth of the Quran.

You already state that the Quran is not of human origin, too advanced for it's time. You have acknowledged the facts/miracles within it for yourself. You acknowledge this, do you really think the devil has this power? Look at the message, does the message of Quran lead you to believe that it comes from other than God?

"The devils can never reveal this. They neither would, nor could. For they are prevented from hearing. Therefore, do not idolize beside God any other god, lest you incur the retribution" Quran chaper 26, verses 210-213.

Counter flip to your "alternative explanation":-

The Quran is truly from God and explains the fact that Jesus is a prophet of God, but not the son of God as reported by Christianity. Please read the following verses for your reference:

Quran:-
Chapter 4: verses 171-172
Chaper 5: verses17, 72-73, 110-121
Chapter 19 (Mary) verses 16-40

 

[believer]

I don't believe you have read the Qur'an... if you did, you wouldn't be confused.

It is a clear book... and it confirms the past scriptures... that is, if you have fully grasped the contexts of the Old and New Testament and if you have read it with an enlightened mind.

It is true that the bible is corrupted when the Persians captured the Jews and tried to erase Hebrew as their language and translated the original Hebrew bible into Greek. But, there are still golden nuggets in it that if we stick to it - we can be guided reading the whole book... and by picking up these nuggets we will not be decieved nor be strayed by Satan.

one of the golden nuggets is the First Commandment "Thou shall have no other God before God." Then Jesus said "The Greatest Commandment is to Love God above all, with all thy heart and mind."... and the Last Prophet Muhammad (SAW) delivered the message of God through his mouth by divine revelation... "La Ilaha Ilalah!"...(There is no God but God - and Allah is his proper name)

The devil is desperate... because the Devil knows that once he can get people to forget this very important message... he will be able to bring many souls with him in the hellfire. Why? because the devil knows that if people will associate others in their worship of God... or simply disbelieve in God - the ONE GOD referred and worshipped by all the prophets including Jesus (pbuh)... God cannot forgive us. This sin is called SHIRK. (Shirk is the only sin unforgiveable by God)... so if you say that the Devil has the power to bring a book like the Qur'an... is actually falling into the Devils trap itself.

I am happy that the Devil has no power over me. ... well, not anymore after I have embraced and have grown to live in Islam. ... If you are one of the Christian who would defend Paul... then you must agree with Paul when he says about the "Fruits of the Spirit"... how can something so good and so beautiful come from the Devil?... NO WAY JOSE'!

 

[tarek29]

Quran is Perfect Book!

Salam Alekom,

Quran Perfect book becuase it is from Perfect God, Allah(swt) in Quran gave us a lot of SIGNS to people so that they beleive in the message that were send for their sake, before Allah (swt) supported his Prophets and messangers with Miracles, but although people saw those Miracles it ere not enough for them, so Quran as LAST TESTMENT and last message that came from skies to us, so it have to contain SIGNS to its Truth, and one of those SIGNS that this thread will be about:

"Do they not then consider the Quran carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradictions." Holy Quran 4:81

أفلا يتدبرون القرآن ولو كان من عند غير الله لوجدوا فيه اختلافا كثيرا

So the Quran clearly says that if it is not from God it will contain Mistakes and contradictions, but fact is:

There is not even one SINGLE Mistake or contradiction in QURAN!

I guess this is all general talks, so if someone thinks that what Quran mentions is not true please provide us your PROOF, all what is needed is ONE MISTAKE or Contradiction same like what we can read in other scriptures that either not from God or corrupted by humans!

May Allah (swt) guide us all!

Peace

 

[Draco]

Re: Quran is Perfect Book!

Quran Perfect book becuase it is from Perfect God, <snip>
So the Quran clearly says that if it is not from God it will contain Mistakes and contradictions, but fact is:

There is not even one SINGLE Mistake or contradiction in QURAN!

I guess this is all general talks, so if someone thinks that what Quran mentions is not true please provide us your PROOF, all what is needed is ONE MISTAKE or Contradiction same like what we can read in other scriptures that either not from God or corrupted by humans!

<snip>

Sorry to butt in but here are some errors:

Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring… [Quran 18: 86]

Does the sun really go into a muddy spring?

And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise. [Quran 36: 38]

It is He who created The Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own course. [Quran 21: 33]

It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit. [Quran 36: 40]

What resting place does the sun go to?
The last 2 quotes are very revealing. How can the Sun overtake the moon? You could only think that if you imagined the sun and the moon orbiting the earth. As we well know this is incorrect.

I'm sure there are more.

I've never understood why Muslims are so convinced by the predictive qualities of the Quran. For instance, you could imagine a child making the false assumption that the sun and the moon follow their own path around the earth because intuitively, that's what appears to be happening.

Can any Muslims in the forum convince a non-believer like me what predictions are so fantastically convincing?

 

[BlackMamba]

Where does it say that the sun and moon orbit the earth. It says that both the sun and moon have there own course. This is scientifically proven. And in fact no one knew until very recently that the sun actually has its own set course as well. Wow, orbit the earth? what r u talking about

 

[NoName55]

So far no person has pointed to any contradiction in the Quraan.

They have not even pointed to a single factual error in that book either.

Its only the small time copy pasters , who cannot reason well, they see things which aren't there.

 

[NoName55]

A person who did not use copying and pasting would have known that those were out of context and mistranslated little snippets (copied from some anti-Islam site) part of bigger story.

Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring… [Quran 18: 86]

Does the sun really go into a muddy spring?

example 1
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] First[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] of[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] all, Allah does not say sun sets in [/FONT]muddy spring or [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]murky water. He is telling us about the experience of Zul Qarnain(A.S) .

It appeared to [/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Zul Qarnain[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] as if the sun was setting in a spring of murky water.

if you are sitting besides an ocean at the time of sunset. The farthest you can see is water. So would it not appear to you as if the sun is setting in the water. If there are high mountains does it not appear to you that sun is setting behind the mountain.

example 2
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everybody knows sun does not rise or set. but we still use the terms like sunset and sunrise.

can I say "I break my fast at sunset or got up at sunrise"?
should it be I break my fast or got up when earth revolved this or that much around the sun?


It is impossible to explain to those who don't listen, the intricacies of languages, I mean if you do not understand a simple language like English, what chance is there of you being able to translate from or understand language of the Holy Quraan?
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[tarek29]

Re: Quran is Perfect Book!

Sorry to butt in but here are some errors:

Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring… [Quran 18: 86]

Does the sun really go into a muddy spring?

And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise. [Quran 36: 38]

It is He who created The Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own course. [Quran 21: 33]

It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit. [Quran 36: 40]

What resting place does the sun go to?
The last 2 quotes are very revealing. How can the Sun overtake the moon? You could only think that if you imagined the sun and the moon orbiting the earth. As we well know this is incorrect.

I'm sure there are more.

I've never understood why Muslims are so convinced by the predictive qualities of the Quran. For instance, you could imagine a child making the false assumption that the sun and the moon follow their own path around the earth because intuitively, that's what appears to be happening.

Can any Muslims in the forum convince a non-believer like me what predictions are so fantastically convincing?

The sun is heading or drifting toward an unknown destination.

Some scientists claim that the sun is running toward the Star Vega

and others say that it is running toward a black hole.

But we certainly know for sure that according to Noble Verse 36:38, the sun is heading toward a "resting place."

Peace

 

[جوري]

You want to understand the book, read it for yourself.. if you don't understand why nearly 2 billion of the world's population are Muslims, why 20,000 Americans convert to islam yearly.. well I guess they are on to something, that you are not!.. Now-- to convince any non-Muslim of the truth of the Quran.. well I absolutely see no point to that.. can any Muslim or non-Muslim explain to me the significance of explicating the Quran to an Athiest who readily enjoys, cut and pastes that peddle in anti-Islamic rhetoric?

Has anyone here ever read the cliff notes for an English class out of hurry, and expected that his preceptor be impressed or that he gets an A on the topic?

fast, trusted, proven? not the way to go me thinkus for critical interpretation of sacred writings!

هُوَ الَّذِيَ أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْهُ آيَاتٌ مُّحْكَمَاتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ في قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَاء الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَاء تَأْوِيلِهِ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلاَّ اللّهُ وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ آمَنَّا بِهِ كُلٌّ مِّنْ عِندِ رَبِّنَا وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلاَّ أُوْلُواْ الألْبَابِ {7}​

[Pickthal 3:7] He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.

 

[Draco]

Where does it say that the sun and moon orbit the earth. It says that both the sun and moon have there own course. This is scientifically proven. And in fact no one knew until very recently that the sun actually has its own set course as well. Wow, orbit the earth? what r u talking about

Here’s the verse again:

It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit. [Quran 36: 40]

I realise that this does not explicitly state “The sun orbits the Earth” but it states the sun and the moon each float in their own orbit. If not the earth, orbit of what I ask?

So far no person has pointed to any contradiction in the Quraan.

They have not even pointed to a single factual error in that book either.

Its only the small time copy pasters , who cannot reason well, they see things which aren't there.

Well I could add some more but I might be accused of being a small-time copy-paster. Well at that risk, here’s another contradiction:

How many days did creation take?

Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 all clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days.

BUT…

Sura 41:9-12, the detailed description of the creation procedure, add up to eight days.

A person who did not use copying and pasting would have known that those were out of context and mistranslated little snippets (copied from some anti-Islam site) part of bigger story.

example 1
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] First[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] of[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] all, Allah does not say sun sets in [/FONT]muddy spring or [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]murky water. He is telling us about the experience of Zul Qarnain(A.S) .

It appeared to [/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Zul Qarnain[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] as if the sun was setting in a spring of murky water.

if you are sitting besides an ocean at the time of sunset. The farthest you can see is water. So would it not appear to you as if the sun is setting in the water. If there are high mountains does it not appear to you that sun is setting behind the mountain.

example 2
[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]

everybody knows sun does not rise or set. but we still use the terms like sunset and sunrise.

can I say "I break my fast at sunset or got up at sunrise"?
should it be I break my fast or got up when earth revolved this or that much around the sun?

It is impossible to explain to those who don't listen, the intricacies of languages, I mean if you do not understand a simple language like English, what chance is there of you being able to translate from or understand language of the Holy Quraan?
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Ah so it’s a colloquialism. Why would the word of God be written in such an informal way? In fact incidentally, why would the word of God (presumably meant for everyone) be written in one language anyway?

 

[BlackMamba]

The part that you quoted from surah ya-seen is not a wrong statement. You are right, it doesnt say that the sun orbits the earth so therefore there is no contradiction, and thats all i know because i'm not an astronomer.
And the verses you quoted from surah al-fussilat is kind of confusing to translate to english so it can be misunderstood. the word Allah uses is "thumma" which can be trasnlated as either then or simultaneously. In these verses it means that Allah made the mountains and the earth simultaneously. I cant really explain it that good, but just click on this link. It'll give u detailed explanation of the 8 day myth that u somehow believe in. http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=article&aid=76

 

[Draco]

The part that you quoted from surah ya-seen is not a wrong statement. You are right, it doesnt say that the sun orbits the earth so therefore there is no contradiction, and thats all i know because i'm not an astronomer.

Well I don’t think you need to be an astronomer in the 21st century to be able to understand the basics of our solar system. Any textbook that you pick up today will provide you with about as much as any non-astronomer would want to know about the earth, moon and sun.

And the verses you quoted from surah al-fussilat is kind of confusing to translate to english so it can be misunderstood. the word Allah uses is "thumma" which can be trasnlated as either then or simultaneously. In these verses it means that Allah made the mountains and the earth simultaneously. I cant really explain it that good, but just click on this link. It'll give u detailed explanation of the 8 day myth that u somehow believe in. http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=article&aid=76

I sympathise with your confusion Shakoor15. The Quran isn’t very clear on such things is it?

I read the explanation in the link about the 6/8 day contradiction. What an ingenious way of interpreting the text so as not to make the Quran author look like “he (He) possesses an intelligence above a two year old child” (as the article put it). Although you would have thought that such carelessness when writing about an important fact like the length of time it took to create the heavens and earth would have been re-written in the proof read? ;-)

I apologise for my sarcasm but I’m actually trying to make a point. I can see this thread turning into a debate about the accuracy of specific verses of the Quran and I’m sure that everyone has been done that one before. I could post dozens of contradictions and inaccuracies that I’m sure would be hotly rebutted by the Muslims in this forum but let’s not get into that.

The point is that look at the lengths you must go to in order to explain… let’s say dubious… versus of the Quran. The sun heading to a black hole, the need for some generously lenient interpretation and clever arithmetic… etc. Come on everyone! This is supposed to be the word of God! Creator of all the heavens and the earth in 6 (or is it 8) days! I would have thought such an almighty being could have at least written a book that was clear, concise and completely unambiguous. Perhaps even sent it down in multiple languages to avoid translation confusion. I mean some of the verses seem more like they were written by someone with an understanding of science, the earth and the universe equivalent to that of a man living in 600 CE. Wouldn’t you agree?!