Real Nutrition for Muslims: Don't be fooled, Saturated Fat is Excellent

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Greetings and glad tidings to you all, I would like to discuss the issue of proper food nutrition especially for the educated and enlightened Muslim.

HunterMan's Essay on Eating Good Food​

To sum up I would like to say

1. Meat is good
2. Fat is good
3. Saturated fat is good
4. Natural animal fat is healthy and doesn't cause sickness
5. Extreme vegan and vegetarianism is bad

Seeking to enlighten ourselves we mistakenly adopted the misguided doctrines of a people who lie and ignore the truth about food. I here too many Muslims repeat the garbage espoused by a bunch of ignoramuses or greedy capitalists, it deeply disturbs me to here an educated Muslim say 'low fat' in a discussion about maintaining health. Allah created animals and saturated fat and would prevent us from its consumption if it was harmful, but quite contrair, we are encouraged to eat it and be thankful, this is for a good reason.

A dentist named Weston Price set out on a journey to study traditional people and ascertain the truth concerning rumors of their magnificent health and prowess, after 10 years of studying various tribes what did he find? Traditional people possessed magnificently built bodies and faces, their teeth were perfectly strait and beautifully white with virtual absence for decay and cavities, their faces were broad and handsome with well developed cheek and jaw bones. Their bodies were robust, strong and efficient. No signs of malignancy or chronic disease was discovered in them, no heart attacks, no strokes, no arthritis and no cancer, something which many other explorers and researchers independently proved. These people ate very different diets but had one thing in common, they all ate roughly 10 times the fat soluble vitamins and minerals compared to the average American of that time, they all strived to eat animal products such as fish, game, beef, birds ect. But there preferential parts were the fatty organs and tissues which contained the fat soluble activators that allowed them to attain great health and development, they frequently discarded the leaner muscle meats.

During the time of the prophet animals were relatively rare, but it was always the food of choice because people valued them for optimal development and the promotion of health, this was common knowledge to virtually all traditional people. While there is much more to say, I would appreciate it if you read the links below to help expand you knowledge, I hope this helps you all out, especially those with children whose needs of animal products for physical and mental development are critical at that point in their lives, plus fat in meat, milk and butter for frying just make food taste delicious and choosing to eat bland nonsense tastes bad and is bad for your health:sl:.

Links:

http://www.westonaprice.org/

http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/pricetoc.html
 
Maybe it's not so much a question of diet as it is a question of lifestyle. I imagine the 'various tribes' studied above get a lot of exercise in their daily life, so they can convert the fat into muscle.

Urbanites tend to eat a disproportionate amount of fat in relation to the exercise they do, thus they get flabby.
 
Muezzin said:
Maybe it's not so much a question of diet as it is a question of lifestyle. I imagine the 'various tribes' studied above get a lot of exercise in their daily life, so they can convert the fat into muscle.

Urbanites tend to eat a disproportionate amount of fat in relation to the exercise they do, thus they get flabby.
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Add to the fact that he died in 1948 at the age of 78, and that research since then has been far more extensive.
 
Hello All,

Yes Muezzin, you are right to assert that physical exertion does indeed have a great effect on the body's organic system, the prophets of god were virtually all physically active and capable individuals, the prophet Muhammad may peace be upon him was know for his tremendous physical prowesses, and according to the sunnah a Muslim should know how to swim, wield a bow and ride an animal of transport, all of which are physical activities, (of course now a days archery and riding are substituted with their modern equivalents), in fact I think we should have a new board or sub board here specifically for exercising, (such a board would not be a material object used to preform a specific exercise, but rather a figurative board where individuals can post their various writings concerning all exercise based ideas.)

While an active life does show how one can achieve a low level of body fat and well developed muscles, it in no way can answer how such tribes achieved superior development in the facial bones and especially in their teeth. The answer is that animal fat, particularly of the saturated kind, along with its soluble vitamins such as vitamin A and D provide the necessary catalysts for optimal mineral and protein absorption and utilization, this is how their bodies are nourished with a surplus of materials that allow the development of broad faces, strait teeth and freedom from cavities and weak bones (osteoporosis).

The key concept here is that rather than simply meeting the demands for energy and calories, animal fat also possesses qualities that are essential for optimal human development, it was common knowledge to virtually all traditional people that animal products especially fat, are essential for health and development, the ancients always went to great lengths to obtain them, some common animal products rich in fat soluble activators are: Butter, Milk, Cream, Seafood, Fish Eggs (caviar for the well endowed and roe for the man of modest income), Shrimp, Chicken Skin and best of all, Animal Organs. The forgoing products are not only amongst the healthiest foods one can eat, but almost everyone reading this could admit that they are also amongst the tastiest foods that they had the pleasure to consume, especially when they were young before the mass brain washing/fear mongering of gullible medical practitioners and processed food/pharmaceutical drug pushing corporation giants bombard ones cognitive faculties with nutritional fallacies which amount simply to slick salesmanship masquerading as science.

Fat is healthy and Tastes soooooo good, so eat it in its due measure, be thankful to Allah (Glory be to Allah alone) and prosper:thumbs_up
 
hola

almost anything in excess is bad for you... whether it is vitamin D, water or saturated fat. and there are a number of nuances (like your environment and level of activity). the body needs to preserve a certain amount of balance to function properly... it is best to stick to the food pyramid rather than isolate factors unless there is a medical reason to do otherwise.

que Dios te bendiga
 
Jayda said:
hola

almost anything in excess is bad for you... whether it is vitamin D, water or saturated fat. and there are a number of nuances (like your environment and level of activity). the body needs to preserve a certain amount of balance to function properly... it is best to stick to the food pyramid rather than isolate factors unless there is a medical reason to do otherwise.

que Dios te bendiga
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I agree with that and no one should agree with that more than a Muslim. Our religious is a religion of moderation and calls for moderation in everything from religion to eating to every aspect of our life.

Saturated fat and animal fat are not healthy for you. Unless you can back that statement up with proof. Even butter is not healthy for you these days, unless its the real thing without any processing. The fact of the matter is, most of the stuff is not healthy for you if it is processed. Lot of chemicals have been added and other junk and lot of the good stuff is taken out thru pasteurizations and what not. Anyways, Hardly any fact is good for you these days. You eat, then go sit on a coach or at your office. The people of old days used to eat what they want and then went out and did hard work not click their fingers on a keyboard all day. What they burned off in a day, we probably take a month.
 
islamirama said:
I agree with that and no one should agree with that more than a Muslim. Our religious is a religion of moderation and calls for moderation in everything from religion to eating to every aspect of our life.

Saturated fat and animal fat are not healthy for you. Unless you can back that statement up with proof. Even butter is not healthy for you these days, unless its the real thing without any processing. The fact of the matter is, most of the stuff is not healthy for you if it is processed. Lot of chemicals have been added and other junk and lot of the good stuff is taken out thru pasteurizations and what not. Anyways, Hardly any fact is good for you these days. You eat, then go sit on a coach or at your office. The people of old days used to eat what they want and then went out and did hard work not click their fingers on a keyboard all day. What they burned off in a day, we probably take a month.
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hola islamirama,

i completely agree with your point about the chemicals and 'junk' in food these days. i still go to butchers for meat, markets for produce, fromageries for cheese, bakers for bread and delis for everything else. the old methods are the best... it might not survive in the refrigerator as long but it's healthier and tastes better.

que Dios te bendiga
 
Hello good friends, I hope your all having a mighty fine day

Indeed moderation is the best way to go about our daily lives, congratulations on accepting that fact which, Allah willing shall help you all in the life of this world, of course moderation also extends to our dietary choices as well, but you all now that already for sure. But the problem is that many don't understand just how much is needed to be moderate in terms of eating especially when it comes to fat. One of the absolute worse eating plans you can follow is the Standard American Diet or SAD diet, how ironic for it is without a doubt a very SAD and miserable diet, firstly the sugar content of the diet is abnormally high, the animal protein and fat content is far too low, it is by all accounts a highly unbalanced diet. The SAD diet was formed as a result of massive lobbying efforts by the immensely powerful processed food corporations. The fact of the matter is that if you want a truly moderate diet you must consume more natural animal fat and far less unnatural processed vegetable oils,trans fats and carbohydrates.

There is no doubt that saturated fat and cholesterol are not factors in heart or cardiovascular disease, every independent and honest study has proven that time and time again, the results are often intentionally neglected and demented to suit the junk food companies who's basic products are sugars and rancid vegetable oils, just look at any garbage processed food product such as a chocolate bar, the basic ingredients are most likley sugar, corn syrup and some sort of awful perverted vegetable oil, the true cause of cardio-vascular disease is excessive sugar and trans fats found in unnatural vegetable oils that are pushed by the SAD diet.

If such was untrue then why are there more cases of chronic diseases now then at the turn of the century where people consumed meat, butter, cream and eggs with more relish then what we do now? Why do the French have less rates of heart disease then other westerners even though they eat more saturated fat, the corporate marketers say that alcohol protects them from heart diseases, I don't know about you but that is the biggest load of garbage I've ever heard, its the other way around the fat protects them form alcohol.

Heres a link for further Information, Have a good day.

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html
http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/23/vegetarianism_myths_06.htm
http://www.thegreatcholesterolcon.com/
 
:sl: my good friends,

Here is some info regarding animal products consumption and bone health, if you don't eat any animal products your bones could get weak and crumble into so many particles of dust.

Animal Foods and Osteoporosis

One dictum of the soy-promoters is that animal foods are bad for the bones and we should all adopt a "plant-based" diet to prevent bone loss. New research by a team of anthropologists, economists and paleopathologists has documented degenerative joint disease, dental decay, stunted growth and other bone problems in pre-Columbian Indians. Those who practiced farming and lived in towns and cities had the most problems, while those who had access to plenty of animal foods had the least. The healthiest populations were those living on the coast of Brazil, where they had access to ample food from land and sea. During the 19th century, the Plains Indians also enjoyed excellent health on a diet based on buffalo. The least healthy people where those from the urban cultures of Mexico and Central America, and the Zuni Pueblo people of New Mexico, whose diets were almost devoid of animal foods (New York Times, 10/29/02). Promotion of plant-based diets for healthy bones is completely untenable in the face of these findings.

So don't be fooled, herbage and fruitamins are nice now and then, but nothing can build a powerful, healthy and admirable physique the way animal products can.
 
HunterMan said:
Seeking to enlighten ourselves we mistakenly adopted the misguided doctrines of a people who lie and ignore the truth about food. I here too many Muslims repeat the garbage espoused by a bunch of ignoramuses or greedy capitalists, it deeply disturbs me to here an educated Muslim say 'low fat' in a discussion about maintaining health. Allah created animals and saturated fat and would prevent us from its consumption if it was harmful, but quite contrair, we are encouraged to eat it and be thankful, this is for a good reason.
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I have to disagree, Allah made many things halal and we by no means have a stomach large enough to fit all of it in there.

No where does the Quran or sunnah encourage us to eat large amounts of fat, unless you of something that we don't?

If you must insist on pushing this view- fine. However please do not act like it is sanctioned by our religion.

There is no doubt that saturated fat and cholesterol are not factors in heart or cardiovascular disease, every independent and honest study has proven that time and time again, the results are often intentionally neglected and demented to suit the junk food companies who's basic products are sugars and rancid vegetable oils, just look at any garbage processed food product such as a chocolate bar, the basic ingredients are most likley sugar, corn syrup and some sort of awful perverted vegetable oil, the true cause of cardio-vascular disease is excessive sugar and trans fats found in unnatural vegetable oils that are pushed by the SAD diet.
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You must be joking?! Cholesterol is a factor in cardiovascular disease! Have you heart of atherosclerosis? Those massive plaques that ruin arteries? They are packed with cholesterol (LDL), and they can kill you!

And by the way- you can't use one diet (which sounds ridiculous itself- what kind of diet encourages eating junk food? I've never heard of that in my life!) to prove that we must no start eating fat.
 
:sl: Dear Malaikah,

Your spirited reply only goes to indicate how you've been deceived by the modern capitalist establishment, I hope you would do more research before you come to your ultimate conclusions.

Firstly I have to understand what your angle is, are you a medical practitioner, are you a parent, have you ever stood steadfast against any chronic disease, and what do you view as the optimal diet for you and others?

Now I would like to say that the Quran tells us to eat what is wholesome and good, saturated fat tissue comprise a major part of all animal foods such as meat, milk and eggs. As the fat is part of the whole animal we should consume it and not discard, dement or denature it from the way Allah (SWT) has made it by eating only lean meats, eating egg whites and discarding the yolks and by consuming fractionated low, skim or no fat milks which are man made perversions. Natural animal fats nourished mankind for time immemorial and have never been associated with sickness, modern man made vegetable oils are rancid, despicable inventions made by the most demeaning processes to create an abomination against the natural foods created by Allah.

Cholesterol is absolutely not the cause of any cardiovascular disease but rather nourishes your body and brings health.

How come cardiovascular diseases have only become pervasive during the last 100 years when it went from relative obscurity and exploded to become the main cause of death in the western world, animal fats were consumed with relish since the dawn of man and we never had such a problem like this before? Ask yourself my kind Malaikah how could natural animal fat possibly be responsible for the scourge of chronic disease its accused for if during the last 100 years the intake of saturated fat actually declined, it doesn't make any sense. Well then if animal fat decreased and disease increased then there must be another cause, so you know what it is? The true cause of disease is correlated with an increase in consumption of unnatural rancid vegetable oils and refined sugar which have increased by hundreds of percents since the last hundred years.

There are exactly ZERO honest scientific research papers that show any relation between saturated fat and cholesterol and cardio vascular disease, in fact studies show the opposite.

Here are some likes you should read that will help shed light on the truth about animal fat.

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Cholesterol-Myths.html

http://www.healthbeatnews.com/SatFatMyth.htm

http://healthforu.info/health/diethealth/Saturated-Fat-Food-Lies.php
 
Alhamdulillah i have just recently devoured delicious meat, and i must agree it was very good

Assalamu Alaikum
 
Alhamdulillah brother IbnAbdulHakim and congratulations,

The food of the people of paradise is meat and fruit, it is very healthy for you and is almost a religious duty if you can obtain it. Before you get any ideas allow me to justify my statement. A strong believer is better then a weak believer right, well it just so happens that animal products are the best substances you can eat to gain strength and fortitude, and remember good brother the fat is what gives the meat it juiciness and flavor, and more importantly did you know that saturated fat and cholesterol naturally increase the bodily production of testosterone which will give anyone who eats it a prodigiously powerful body which would be more capable of serving the will of Allah inshaallah.:thumbs_up
 
^ why jazakAllaahu khair brother, i felt quite proud after eating that meat and reading your thread.

Yes indeed i feel the effects of benefit all over!

Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullaah
 
Just my own observations. Having lived in more than one climate and under various conditions I have noticed a few things. Diet requirements do seem to change for climate and seasonal conditions.

Some examples:

People in the far North where vegetation is sparse or non-existent, live on an almost purely meat and fish diet. People in lush tropical areas live on a nearly if not exclusive vegetarian diet.

The people in the far north develop a very large amount of body fat, this seems to be a necessity to survive the harsh winters. People without this body fat are very unhealthy and prone to many health problems, at a much higher rate than their plump friends and relatives.

People in the tropics tend to be very active of lean body structure. Physically plump friends and relatives tend to be much more at risk for health problems than the skinny friends and relatives.

I also notice that a persons taste for different foods will change in accordance with climate. to a person living in the arctic seal blubber has a delicious flavor. Yet, if this same flavor were introduced to the tropics, the people would become violently ill over the taste and smell.

I have also seen and experienced the opposite. When a person is living under arctic conditions, fresh fruits and vegetables tend to be nauseous. When I am in far North climates the taste of tomatoes is very sickening to me.

Perhaps more than one variable needs to be investigated prior to deciding on an ideal diet for all people in all locations?
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
^ so how does london fit into your observation uncle?

Assalamu Alaikum
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In my personal observation the healthiest Londoners live on a diet that is low in fatty foods during most of the year, however, during the winter months they do best on high meaty fat conditions during the winter months. This is also reflected in the tastes of what tastes good.

I also notice London is extremely humid. I also notice that in the summer time fish dishes seem to taste the best along with cold vegetables.

Because of the climate I would suspect to find a person endowed with a somewhat generous layer of fatty tissue, would be the healthiest. However, the problem is that with modern foods it has become difficult to keep this at a healthy level and not become obese. Simply stick with the food in season, eat in moderation and a person seems to adapt very well to the climate they live in and form the appropriate body ratio of fat for the climate.
 
^ lol jazakAllaahu khair.

I have done well in eating meat today then, as its winter, what a cold day it was also.

Assalamu Alaikum
 
I should have noted I am not a nutritionist and not a MD. Those are simply my observations of people in various places I have lived or visited. In my travels I have always felt best if I ate local in season foods. They also seem to taste best at those times. I think it would be an error for a person living in London to try to survive in the winter, on foods commonly served in Saudi Arabia in the summer. Vice versa would also be true.
 
HunterMan said:
Now I would like to say that the Quran tells us to eat what is wholesome and good, saturated fat tissue comprise a major part of all animal foods such as meat, milk and eggs. As the fat is part of the whole animal we should consume it and not discard, dement or denature it from the way Allah (SWT) has made it by eating only lean meats, eating egg whites and discarding the yolks and by consuming fractionated low, skim or no fat milks which are man made perversions.
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So do you also eat the animals brain, liver, heart, eyeballs, stomach, intestines, pancreas, spleen and bone marrow? They are halal too you know...

I'm sorry but I just don't buy the argument that it is halal therefore we must eat it. Junk food is halal? Is it good for us in large amounts? No.
 

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