Brits kick out child cremators

[barney]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/09/wafg109.xml

Two battalions of British and one of Afgan Loyalists have just decided enough is enough in Musa Qala.
So they have attacked the strongest point of Taliban oppression and now the Afgan flag flies above it. The entire force of taliban has been defeated and run off or died.

Some of their legacy of the 8 month reign their remains. Like the 15 year old boy cremated by gas cylinders for some crime "Against Islam". They closed the schools, whipped those women out of Burkhas and all their usual good stuff.

The only sad thing is that Gordon Brown visiting troops said reconstruction cant work until the Taliban "Are Gone".
They will not go. Their will always be some Jihadistic reinforcement coming to help in the misery of the Ummah there.
May Allah, (and the British and Afgan troops) protect the innocent there.

 

[S_87]

protect the innocent?
by bombing from above and killing indiscriminately? is that what u mean by protection?

 

[barney]

No, I mean by escorting children to school and disarming bombs in marketplaces, feeding the starving and clothing the naked.

 

[MTAFFI]

No, I mean by escorting children to school and disarming bombs in marketplaces, feeding the starving and clothing the naked.

yeah that is a good point

 

[barney]

The last time we took this town, we handed it over to the Afgan's who were bombed back into accepting the murderers and women floggers back in.
There is some talk this time of setting up a base in the arae to protect the people for as long as neccessery.

 

[wilberhum]

protect the innocent?
by bombing from above and killing indiscriminately? is that what u mean by protection?

No, but then that is not what is done.
Do you always use distortion of reality to justify your opinion?

 

[S_87]

^ is it me thats distorting the fact that afghan has been heavily bombed? are you saying it wasnt? and if it was are you saying the bombs were absolutely precise and only caught terrorists like usama bin laden and not kids?

and women floggers? men are flogged too under shariah law if u dont like the flogging fact, maybe your problem is not with afghanistan but with islamic shariah?

and where were the marketplace bombs before the war?

 

[Resigned]

protect the innocent?
by bombing from above and killing indiscriminately? is that what u mean by protection?

Unfortunately for you, these threads sink when you cannot counter the irrefutable argument that the United States has demonstrated restraint in it's use of force. You have no counter to the fact that the US has spent billions upon billions of dollars to develop LESS cost effective weapons for the sole purpose of reducing civilian casualties. You say nothing of the recognized capability of US strategic forces to reduce the Taliban to a burning pile of ash within hours with almost no reduction of our nation power, and the restraint from using such power demonstrated by our leaders.

You cannot reconcile the fact that you say we only go to war because we are "imperialist" when you know for a fact that we have only sent troops to Afghanistan in response to an attack on our soil in spite of the financial and political cost.

You cannot reconcile the fact that you argue we wish to murder and kill and intimidate Afghanis with the truth that you cannot conjure up a reason for such action, much less an explanation for precision munitions development, reduced use of particularly effective cluster, mine and incendiary munitions, and extremely tight Rules of Engagement for US forces in battle zones.

And when someone brings up these irreconcilable faults in your arguments, you deflect any real accounting by bringing up something entirely unrelated, try to make a statement accusing Americans broadly of killing indescriminately.

Reconcile these issues please or stop posting these nonsensical messages.

Answer now, how you can say that we WISH to have civilian casualties when we have spent many times the GDP of these nations we are invading on weapons that limit such casualties.

Answer please, why is it that you excuse the Taliban's wanton murder of men, women and schoolchildren (which is, in fact, calculated and indescriminate), yet you rattle on about how the "Great Satan" is to be vilified for attempting to bring peace and order to Afghanistan.

Or, if you feel too threatened, just make a statement about the Jews controlling the media or "ignorant redneck Americans worshipping Bush" and go back to your cliff's notes to the Communist Manifesto.

 

[wilberhum]

^ is it me thats distorting the fact that afghan has been heavily bombed? are you saying it wasnt? and if it was are you saying the bombs were absolutely precise and only caught terrorists like usama bin laden and not kids?

and women floggers? men are flogged too under shariah law if u dont like the flogging fact, maybe your problem is not with afghanistan but with islamic shariah?

and where were the marketplace bombs before the war?

You didn't say Afghanistan have been heavily bombed did you?

Who typical, caught in a distortion, just change your story.

Why should anyone continue addressing your statements, you will surly just change them.

 

[Cognescenti]

Unfortunately for you, these threads sink when you cannot counter the irrefutable argument that the United States has demonstrated restraint in it's use of force. You have no counter to the fact that the US has spent billions upon billions of dollars to develop LESS cost effective weapons for the sole purpose of reducing civilian casualties. You say nothing of the recognized capability of US strategic forces to reduce the Taliban to a burning pile of ash within hours with almost no reduction of our nation power, and the restraint from using such power demonstrated by our leaders.

You cannot reconcile the fact that you say we only go to war because we are "imperialist" when you know for a fact that we have only sent troops to Afghanistan in response to an attack on our soil in spite of the financial and political cost.

You cannot reconcile the fact that you argue we wish to murder and kill and intimidate Afghanis with the truth that you cannot conjure up a reason for such action, much less an explanation for precision munitions development, reduced use of particularly effective cluster, mine and incendiary munitions, and extremely tight Rules of Engagement for US forces in battle zones.

And when someone brings up these irreconcilable faults in your arguments, you deflect any real accounting by bringing up something entirely unrelated, try to make a statement accusing Americans broadly of killing indescriminately.

Reconcile these issues please or stop posting these nonsensical messages.

Answer now, how you can say that we WISH to have civilian casualties when we have spent many times the GDP of these nations we are invading on weapons that limit such casualties.

Answer please, why is it that you excuse the Taliban's wanton murder of men, women and schoolchildren (which is, in fact, calculated and indescriminate), yet you rattle on about how the "Great Satan" is to be vilified for attempting to bring peace and order to Afghanistan.

Or, if you feel too threatened, just make a statement about the Jews controlling the media or "ignorant redneck Americans worshipping Bush" and go back to your cliff's notes to the Communist Manifesto.

Ouch. After that, there won't be enough left of the poor guy to fill a dustpan. Let's hope he gets a proper Islamic burial.

 

[barney]

It does sometimes baffle me that those who argue that the USA is "Committing Genocide" have not bothered to research in the slightest what the USA could do if it wanted to commit genocide.

Just taking the B1 fleet, only 100 strong out of a 6000 strong airforce.
The B1 fleet can in one sortie drop 42000000 pounds of high explosive. If that had landed on Kabul on day 1 and had only half the effectiveness of WW2 bombing raids of lesser intensity, then on that day 3000 people would have died and half a million would be homeless.
Then comes Day 2..........Mayby using the B52 fleet as well or a few dozen Squadrons of F15e's....

Now mayby you have a small idea of what America can do. But chooses not to. A "War against Islam" wouldnt really last very long. But America wont do that. Even under the control of a rather stupid president, it restrains itself and deliberatly targets just as carefully as the Taliban deliberatly target.
But the USAF's target is carrying RPG's in trucks and driving Technicals. The talibans target is about 4 years old and sucking their first lolipop that a westerner gave them.

Instead snipers and Close air support conducted a 6 week campaign that Broke the taliban trenches and walked the Northen Alliance into Kabul with no real bloodshed in that city save that of the people taking revenge on the Taliban.

 

[Bittersteel]

even after all those precautions there have been casualties during bombings.was it due to Taliban hiding in civilian homes?otherwise I cannot think of any other reason for such mistakes.

 

[The_Prince]

this war will never end, and its not even about the taliban. the war in afghanistan is for the poppy fields, and for the pipeline that they want to build that will run through afghanistan to pakistan for natural gas etc.

sooner or later the taliban will be in the goverment, the taliban left this town, in a month or 2 they will be back, same old same story.

 

[barney]

Pipeline?Umm ...run it through tajikistan? It's always the same. I remember debating Kosovo with A Liberal who said "There just after the oil" so I replied Kosovo hasnt any oil. A little while later they came back " It's the Zinc...The US is after the Zinc"
The Poppys. Ok so the west actually LIKES the heroin afganistan pumps out?

To Aziz, smart bombs are not 100% accurate and mistakes happen. The moral factor is that they are MISTAKES, as opposed to mistakenly blowing up a bunch of shoppers by standing in the middle of them squeezing bomb detonators and screaming "God is Great"

Some bombs are on target, but the intell fails. For example a wedding party was celebrating by firing dozens of automatic rifles into the sky in happyness as a USAF gunship was passing overhead. With rather predictable results.

Put it this way. If the Taliban were not killing innocent afgans by the cartload, there would be no infidels in the country other than those building stuff for the people.

 

[MTAFFI]

and where were the marketplace bombs before the war?

they were still in their primitive form waiting on these morons to peice them together and blow up innocent people

 

[Cognescenti]

this war will never end, and its not even about the taliban. the war in afghanistan is for the poppy fields, and for the pipeline that they want to build that will run through afghanistan to pakistan for natural gas etc.

sooner or later the taliban will be in the goverment, the taliban left this town, in a month or 2 they will be back, same old same story.

That is seriously delusional. Do you realize the reasons the USSR lost in Afghnaistan is because of US support for the mujahadeen?

 

[sameer]

That is seriously delusional. Do you realize the reasons the USSR lost in Afghnaistan is because of US support for the mujahadeen?

exactly.....get them out so they can move in. - simple.

 

[Cognescenti]

exactly.....get them out so they can move in. - simple.

And what was the time from the Russian exit to the US attack? I will lend a hand. The Russians left in 1989.

That is rather a sluggish example of exploiting Afghanistan's fabulous natural resources, don't you think?

I have a serious question. Does anyone here really believe the intellectually unsustainable "US Imperialism" argument as it pertains to Afghanistan? What I mean is, when among friends and someone advances such a preposterous argument, do you find yourself giggling?

 

[barney]

They are after the Rocks....Evryone knows it.

 

[aadil77]

Some bombs are on target, but the intell fails. For example a wedding party was celebrating by firing dozens of automatic rifles into the sky in happyness as a USAF gunship was passing overhead. With rather predictable results.

Put it this way. If the Taliban were not killing innocent afgans by the cartload, there would be no infidels in the country other than those building stuff for the people.

lol, nice example