Dutch MP posts Islam film on web

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Malaikah said:
Nope. Depends on which verses he considers spiteful. Maybe he points some out in the documentary (I wouldn't know, I'm not about to waste 20 minutes of my life watching it) but it's than like just stuff taken out of context or exaggerated.
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You are quite right not to waste your time watching it, it's not very well done, neither artistically nor its contents.

But I think this is too easy. The Qu'ran often speaks with great disrespect of the 'unbelievers' and generalizes about them all the time. You might not notice because you were raised with the Qu'ran, but it was quite obvious to me while reading it. I mean, the whole fact that we are priori condemned to burn in hell for eternity is a fairly good indication we get no respect whatsoever. Imagine someone nowadays writing a book that claims all, say, Muslims deserve to have their skin burned over and over and are the "worst of men".

On the other hand, I understand we don't generally judge ancient text as we do more contemporary speech. I don't know why, but we don't ;).
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
What did they expect, anomination for an Oscar?

Leave Religion alone. Debate yes, but not insult and hurt the sentiments of the followers of ANY Religion. That includes the beliefs of Agnostics, Athiests etc.
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Oh no doubt they expected it. The past history of islams reaction to any mockery or accusation give them a pretty solid chance of receiving a death threat. They knew what they were doing.

I really feel sorry for the quiet majority of muslims who, whilst naturally hating such films, are desperatly hoping that a film showing Islam as a "religion of aggression and murder" isnt going to be responded to with death threats.
Just how stupid are these people? "How dare they say we are Violent! DIE for your impudence, untill you agree we are peaceful!" :?
 
barney said:
Oh no doubt they expected it. The past history of islams reaction to any mockery or accusation give them a pretty solid chance of receiving a death threat. They knew what they were doing.

I really feel sorry for the quiet majority of muslims who, whilst naturally hating such films, are desperatly hoping that a film showing Islam as a "religion of aggression and murder" isnt going to be responded to with death threats.
Just how stupid are these people? "How dare they say we are Violent! DIE for your impudence, untill you agree we are peaceful!" :?
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It's the way it is I'm afraid. Peaceful reactions are best, but then If one goes out of his way to offend, then expect a negative respons! :)
 
barney said:
Oh no doubt they expected it. The past history of islams reaction to any mockery or accusation give them a pretty solid chance of receiving a death threat. They knew what they were doing.

I really feel sorry for the quiet majority of muslims who, whilst naturally hating such films, are desperatly hoping that a film showing Islam as a "religion of aggression and murder" isnt going to be responded to with death threats.
Just how stupid are these people? "How dare they say we are Violent! DIE for your impudence, untill you agree we are peaceful!" :?
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No, there hasn't been any reaction to it in holland and muslims have been advised not to react to it, but yes anyone can expect a death threat if they deserve it, remaining quiet and tolerent to **** like this will make us look weak and we don't want anyone taking advantage of that do we?
 
As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

Dutch Businesses to Sue Wilders

THE HAGUE — Fearing a Muslim boycott, major Dutch businesses are threatening to sue far-right lawmaker Geert Wilders over his documentary portraying the Noble Qur'an as inciting violence.

"If they (Muslims) decide to boycott Dutch businesses, it will harm Dutch exports," Bernard Wientjes, the chairman of the Dutch employers' organization VNO-NCW, told the newspaper Het Financieel Dagblad, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP).

"Companies like Shell, Philips and Unilever are easily recognizable as Dutch companies."

Wilders, the leader of the far-right Freedom Party, released his anti-Qur'an film on a video-sharing website on Thursday, March 27.

The film intersperses images of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States and the Madrid train bombings in 2004 with verses from the Qur'an.

The documentary also featured a Danish cartoon of a man said to be Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing be upon him) with a bomb protruding from his turban.

"I don't know if Wilders is rich, or well-insured, but in the case of a boycott, we would look to see if we could make him bear responsibility," said Wientjes.

Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard has already threatened legal action against the far-right politician for using the cartoon in his film without permission.

Dutch-Moroccan rapper Salah Edin has also vowed to sue Wilders for using his picture to portray the killer of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh over his anti-Islam film "Submission".

Effective

The anti-Qur'an film has already sparked mounting calls in the Muslim world for boycotting Dutch products.

"If Muslims unite, it will be easy to take action," said former Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad.

"If we boycott Dutch products, they will have to close down their businesses.

"If the world's 1.3 billion Muslims unite and say they won't buy, then it (the boycott) will be effective," he said.

Nearly 30 Jordanian newspapers, radio stations and websites have launched a bid for boycotting Dutch businesses.

Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende has warned it could be "months" before the consequences of the film were known.

Muslims worldwide boycotted Danish products during the 2005 Prophet cartoon crisis, causing Danish companies nearly $1.5 million a day in losses.

Denmark's leading dairy company Arla Foods, one of the hardest hit, issued at the time a strong condemnation of the cartoon and appealed to Arabs and Muslims to end their boycott of its products.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...58509173&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout
 
^ thats one way to react, slow but effective - only works if we can be bothered:D
 
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Muslims should find all the false quotes he's put into it (there was one that somebody mentioned about slitting people's throats) and sue him for libel.
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Hello, I'm new here.

Yes this movie shows nothing new.

But in other side it shows problems which has Muslim society. And big problems. How the religion can be a toy in political game and then even kids are involved in this.
 
Asalamo Alikom

people who insult Islam and muslims are trying to spread Al fitnah(tumult) between Muslims and Non_Muslims ,they are trying to inflame a war among them and many reckless muslimes are blind to see and to understand their dirty games(those who insult Islam)...alas !

I am not saying we have to stop defending on our religion nooooo...it is our duty to defend on it but in a peaceful ways with wisdom and the Islamic moralism....

may Allah (SWT) forgive us and guide us all to the right path

Ameeeeeeeeeeeeeeen
 
Barney, thats even sicker than the "movie" itself.

But what could be even sicker still is if they received no such threats and just posted that to try to make muslims look even worse. I mean I wouldn't put death threats past radical muslims but I wouldn't put faking it past this guy either.
 
Amat Allah said:
Asalamo Alikom

people who insult Islam and muslims are trying to spread Al fitnah(tumult) between Muslims and Non_Muslims ,they are trying to inflame a war among them and many reckless muslimes are blind to see and to understand their dirty games(those who insult Islam)...alas !

I am not saying we have to stop defending on our religion nooooo...it is our duty to defend on it but in a peaceful ways with wisdom and the Islamic moralism....

may Allah (SWT) forgive us and guide us all to the right path

Ameeeeeeeeeeeeeeen
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how would it be if muslims held a huge prayer gathering and prayed for guidance for wilders and the other people that insult islam?
it would be dignified, but still taking action.
 
Dutch MP's film angers Indonesia

Indonesian Muslims voiced anger at the former colonial power

Dozens of Indonesians have demonstrated outside the Dutch embassy in Jakarta over a Dutch MP's film that has outraged many Muslims.

Some protesters hurled eggs and plastic water bottles at the embassy as riot police formed a wall to keep them away.

Geert Wilders, leader of the right-wing Freedom Party (VVP) in the Netherlands, released the 17-minute film Fitna ("Strife") on the internet last week.

Showing scenes of terrorist attacks, it claims the Koran inspires violence.
Hundreds of Indonesian school students also demonstrated against the film in central Java on Sunday.

Demonstrators in Jakarta on Monday - from the Muslim group Islamic Defenders Front - held placards saying "Geert Wilders is a Christian terrorist", "Kill Geert Wilders" and "Holland go to hell!"

Police prevented protesters getting to the embassy gates

Iran protested to the Dutch ambassador in Tehran on Sunday. Iran's foreign ministry called the film "insulting and anti-Islamic". The film shows graphic images of terrorist attacks, including the destruction of the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001 and the London and Madrid train bombings, interspersed with verses from the Koran.

The film ends with someone turning pages of a Koran, followed by a tearing sound. It concludes: "Stop Islamisation. Defend our freedom."

Fitna has been condemned by the Dutch government and Dutch broadcasters have avoided showing it. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has called it "offensively anti-Islamic".

Mr Wilders has received death threats and is under constant police protection.

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I guess the reaction isn't as peaceful as we had hoped. If you click on the source link, you will see some of the placards being held up.

How can we blame some of the Non-Muslims for assuming that Islam is a violent religion? Hurling eggs and plastic water bottles? It's ironic that they are defending such a peaceful religion like this. :( May Allah give us all patience.

What can we do to make the situation better?
 
Demonstrations like that are exactly what people like Wilders expect to see, and it only reinforces their world view. I'm sure its sort of like my reaction to fellow Christians I see demonstrating against abortion or some other social ill with spiteful and hateful signs that only stereotype all of us. I wish people of faith would embrace the humbleness that should come with knowledge of God. God doesn't need us to defend Him, only to worship and acknowledge Him.

Violence in the name of God is a contradiction.
 
wilders is idiot, coz he wants to tell people about quran that he deosnt know himself...

sick man! :? :phew:raging:
 
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