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Greetings and peace be with you barney;
I know the surah well and that God diddnt kill the animals and they werent in the boat. I was directing it towards the Jews &-Christians.:)
If God can create the universe and all life from nothing, then I simply trust that God can make things happen like an arc and a lot of animals.

Where is the problem if you have faith in a loving God

In the spirit of searching for God.

Eric
 
I can understand this process in those terms, but I can't understand the process by which a unicellular common ancestor gave rise to all plant, animal, fungal, bacterial species that are orders of magnitude more complex.

Surely the obvious answer is the difference in timescale?
 
I have agreed that the evolutionary process can explain the development of antibiotic resistant bacteria, herbicide resistant weeds, insecticide resistant insects, new species of goatsbeard, etc. In these cases, I don't have an issue with evolution as being random, or "undirected by a Higher Being". I can understand this process in those terms, but I can't understand the process by which a unicellular common ancestor gave rise to all plant, animal, fungal, bacterial species that are orders of magnitude more complex.
Well, since were only a couple of hundred years from extensive use of leeches and less than 100 years from E=MC^2, man still has a long way from figuring things out. Somethings may never be. Yeah we made a lot of advances but we're no where near as smart as we think we are.

In my opinion in cases like this we're still close to cavemen discussing the origin of lightening (natural vs thor).

[Of course, implicit in the above example is that I'm right and your wrong.......................just kidding! :)]
 
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Trumble, no it is much more than timescale. It is more that I can't put the pieces together to go from an amoeba to a human. Rather than believe some unknown evolutionary process was responsible, I choose to believe that Allah created the various extant and extinct life-forms.

Well, since were only a couple of hundred years from extensive use of leeches and less than 100 years from E=MC^2, man still has a long way from figuring things out. Somethings may never be. Yeah we made a lot of advances but we're no where near as smart as we think we are.
The industrial revolution has given man the time and energy to advance knowledge and understanding, but, yes, there are things we most likely will never know in this life. For example, do we simply cease to exist when we die, or will we be resurrected from the dead to live for eternity in Heaven or Hell?

In my opinion in cases like this we're still close to cavemen discussing the origin of lightening (natural vs thor).

[Of course, implicit in the above example is that I'm right and your wrong.......................just kidding! :)]
Well, we do have a pretty good understanding of life processes and changes that can occur within species over time and even the origin of tetraploid cotton or goatsbeard from diploid species. Maybe in another 100 years we will understand the whole amoeba to human thing, but until then I will believe that Allah created man from clay then breathed life into Adam's lifeless form. I choose that belief in creation over belief in some unknown evolutionary process.
 
Maybe in another 100 years we will understand the whole amoeba to human thing, but until then I will believe that Allah created man from clay then breathed life into Adam's lifeless form. I choose that belief in creation over belief in some unknown evolutionary process.
Do you believe that God created the world intact, with false evidence of what seems to be a billion years of gradual change in life on earth preserved in the rocks?
 
MEDIA: FERTILE GROUND FOR EVOLUTION


As what we have examined so far has demonstrated, the theory of evolution rests on no scientific basis. However most people around the world are unaware of this and assume that evolution is a scientific fact. The biggest reason for this deception is the systematic indoctrination and propaganda conducted by the media about evolution. For this reason, we also have to mention the particular characteristics of this indoctrination and propaganda.
When we look at the Western media carefully, we frequently come across news dwelling on the theory of evolution. Leading media organisations, and well-known and "respectable" magazines periodically bring this subject up. When their approach is examined, one gets the impression that this theory is an absolutely proven fact leaving no room for discussion.
Ordinary people reading this kind of news naturally start to think that the theory of evolution is a fact as certain as any law of mathematics. News of this sort that appears in the prominent media engines is also picked up by local media. They print headlines in big fonts: "According to Time magazine, a new fossil that completes the gap in the fossil chain has been found"; or "Nature" indicates that scientists have shed light on the final issues of evolutionary theory". The finding of "the last missing link of the evolution chain" means nothing because there is not a single thing proven about evolution. Everything shown as evidence is false as we have described in the previous chapters. In addition to the media, the same holds true for scientific resources, encyclopaedias, and biology books.


EVOLUTIONIST PROPAGANDA

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Popular science magazines having taken over the leadership of evolution propaganda, play an important role in encouraging the public to accept the theory of evolution. In short, both the media and academic circles, which are at the disposal of anti-religionist power-centres, maintain an entirely evolutionist view and they impose this on society. This imposition is so effective that it has in time turned evolution into an idea that is never to be rejected. Denying evolution is seen as being contradictory to science and as disregarding fundamental realities. This is why, notwithstanding so many deficiencies that have so far been revealed (especially since the 1950s) and the fact that these have been confessed by evolutionist scientists themselves, today it is all but impossible to find any criticism of evolution in scientific circles or in the media.
Widely accepted as the most "respected" publishing vehicles on biology and nature in the West, magazines such as Scientific American, Nature, Focus, and National Geographic adopt the theory of evolution as an official ideology and try to present this theory as a proven fact.

Wrapped-up Lies
Evolutionists make great use of the advantage given to them by the "brain-washing" program of the media. Many people believe in evolution so unconditionally that they do not even bother to ask "how" and "why". This means that evolutionists can package their lies so as to be easily persuasive.
For instance, even in the most "scientific" evolutionist books the "transition from water to land", which is one of the greatest unaccounted-for phenomena of evolution, is "explained" with ridiculous simplicity. According to evolution, life started in water and the first developed animals were fish. The theory has it that one day these fish started to fling themselves on to the land for some reason or other, (most of the time, drought is said to be the reason), and the fish that chose to live on land, happened to have feet instead of fins, and lungs instead of gills.
Most evolutionist books do not tell the "how" of the subject. Even in the most "scientific" sources, the absurdity of this assertion is concealed behind sentences such as "the transfer from water to land was achieved".

FABLES FROM EVOLUTIONISTS
Evolution is, as once noted by a prominent scientist, a fairy tale for adults. It is a totally irrational and unscientific scenario, which suggests that non-living matter has some sort of a magical power and intelligence to create complex life forms. This long tale has some very interesting fables on some particular subjects. One of these curious evolutionary fables is the one about the "evolution of whale" that was published in National Geographic, widely respected as one of the most scientific and serious publications in the world:
The Whale's ascendancy to sovereign size apparently began sixty million years ago when hairy, four-legged mammals, in search of food or sanctuary, ventured into water. As eons passed, changes slowly occurred. Hind legs disappeared, front legs changed into flippers, hair gave way to a thick smooth blanket of blubber, nostrils moved to the top of the head, the tail broadened into flukes, and in the buoyant water world the body became enormous.1
Besides the fact that there is not a single scientific basis for any of this, such an occurrence is also contrary to the principles of nature. This fable published in National Geographic is noteworthy for being indicative of the extent of the fallacies of seemingly serious evolutionist publications.


1 Victor B. Scheffer, "Exploring the Lives of Whales", National Geographic, vol. 50, December 1976, p. 752


How was this "transfer" achieved? We know that a fish cannot live for more than a few minutes out of water. If we suppose that the alleged drought occurred and the fish had to move towards the land, what would have happened to the fish? The response is evident. All of the fish coming out of the water would die one by one in a few minutes. Even if this process had had lasted for a period of ten million years, the answer would still be the same: fish would die one by one. The reason is that such a complex organ as a complete lung cannot come into being by a sudden "accident", that is, by mutation; but half a lung, on the other hand, is of no use at all.
But this is exactly what the evolutionists propose. "Transfer from water to land", "transfer from land to air" and many more alleged leaps are "explained" in these illogical terms. As for the formation of really complex organs such as the eye and ear, evolutionists prefer not to say anything at all.
It is easy to influence the man on the street with the package of "science". You draw an imaginary picture representing transfer from water to land, you invent Latin words for the animal in the water, its "descendant" on land, and the "transitional intermediary form" (which is an imaginary animal), and then fabricate an elaborate lie: "Eusthenopteron transformed first into Rhipitistian Crossoptergian, then Ichthyostega in a long evolutionary process". If you put these words in the mouth of a scientist with thick glasses and a white coat, you would succeed in convincing many people, because the media, which dedicates itself to promoting evolution, would announce the good news to the world with great enthusiasm.
 
Trax bro, I really need to invite you round for dinner sometime, you must be a great conversationalist.
 
What just happened. I overdid the Tinfoil and I cant see or hear a darned thing.
 
Do you believe that God created the world intact, with false evidence of what seems to be a billion years of gradual change in life on earth preserved in the rocks?
No, I don't believe that the universe was created instantly. I got no beef against fossils, but neither do I try to force them to support my beliefs. I look at them as evidence for some Allah's amazing creatures that have become extinct.

I have been to the Grand Canyon in AZ and I had the unforgettable opportunity to see the sun rise over it. It put my extremely short life into perspective to consider how long it must have taken for all of those layers to form and to then erode away to a depth of more than a mile. Wikipedia indicates it took 2 billion years for all of the layers to form and 17 million years for the Colorado River to carve out the canyon. I am sorry, but my mind can't comprehend that great amount of time, yet eternity is unquantifiably longer. That is too much time for me to risk spending it in Hellfire.
 
As an athiest I have no blind faith. Only religious people have blind faith :D

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Really?
How do you know this!?:?
I think only Atheists have blind Faith...
 
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I don't think either have "blind faith", belief either way depends on evidence. The difference is what evidence is most highly weighted and which is, to all intents and purposes, ignored, together with whatever it is that determines which is which.

I suspect both camps would like to claim that, in their case, the "whatever it is" was rationality, or maybe common sense. Personally I suspect at least 80% of it is purely cultural. The same 80% of what is 'obvious' to one will therefore almost inevitably be nothing of the sort to the other.
 
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I am sorry, but my mind can't comprehend that great amount of time, yet eternity is unquantifiably longer. That is too much time for me to risk spending it in Hellfire.
Then I hope for your sake you didn't pick the wrong religion to follow or you'll be joining the rest of us in eternal ****ation.

No, I don't believe that the universe was created instantly. I got no beef against fossils, but neither do I try to force them to support my beliefs. I look at them as evidence for some Allah's amazing creatures that have become extinct.
If only extincts were a factor in the number of species, wouldn't we expect the oldest rocks to contain the most diverse life, instead of the other way around?
From the evidence it seems that it took god a billion years of trial and error, gradually improving upon his design until finally he got it right with the current selection.

Well they do say that he works in mysterious ways.
 
Then I hope for your sake you didn't pick the wrong religion to follow or you'll be joining the rest of us in eternal ****ation.
Yes, that is true. In the Quran it says something to the effect of the biggest losers on that Day will be those who thought they were doing good in their lives, but were in reality astray from the Straight Way. Guidance comes but from Allah and I trust that He has guided me to the Straight Way.
If only extincts were a factor in the number of species, wouldn't we expect the oldest rocks to contain the most diverse life, instead of the other way around?
That would be true if there was an instantaneous Creation event, but not necessarily so if Creation occured in stages over time.
From the evidence it seems that it took god a billion years of trial and error, gradually improving upon his design until finally he got it right with the current selection.
We don't know the reasons for the extinction of some species and the emergence of others over time. Perhaps, the whole purpose for dinosaur's existence was that you and I would ponder it today.
Well they do say that he works in mysterious ways.
Allah's ways are not man's way and man's way is not Allah's.
 
Yes, that is true. In the Quran it says something to the effect of the biggest losers on that Day will be those who thought they were doing good in their lives, but were in reality astray from the Straight Way. Guidance comes but from Allah and I trust that He has guided me to the Straight Way.
I doubt you'll find any religion that tells it's followers they should be believing in a different one.

It's right because it says it's right was never a very convincing argument for me.
 
Juche?
Juche sort of fits that bill, because their Deity died, so they have now to beleive in their deitys son.
But theyve fudged it by Kim not actually being dead, he's still ruling physically through his son.
The swallows who tried to accend his body to heaven heard the cries of the people all shouting as one and returned him to them.

I say they couldnt accend him cos he was too freaking fat.
 
The passage that I had in mind is quoted below:

Qur'an 18:103-108 O Muhammad tell them: "Should we tell you the worst kind of losers relating to their deeds? Those whose all efforts in this worldly life had gone astray from the Right Way, but all along they were under the delusion that they were doing good deeds; they are the ones who are disregarding the revelations of their Rabb and the fact that they will meet Him for accountability of their deeds in the Hereafter, so their deeds will become null and will not carry any weight on the Day of Judgment. Thus the reward of such people will be Hell; because they had no faith and because they took My revelations and My Rasools as a joke. However, those who believe and do good deeds, they will be entertained with the Gardens of Paradise to live therein for ever and they will never desire to go anywhere else.

This passage specifically applies to those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah and deny that they will be accountable for their lives on that fateful Day. However, we who claim to have True faith would do well to reflect on the passage as well for only Allah knows our hearts and our true intentions for what we say and do.

 
As an athiest I have no blind faith. Only religious people have blind faith :D

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Kirk, Don't b so blind.
Every person in this world including you have blind faith in every day of life..
Let me prove it..

Say you go to a restaurant for dinner. You order lots of stuffs and food comes to your desk. You take all the cooked food blindly. You have faith on the cook that he did not poison your food.

Say you go to doctor for treatment. And the doctor tested your lots of thing and gave you some medicine and instruction than what you will do. You will blindly follow that doctor’s commands. Don’t you? There are so many things like this.

Say you walking on the street, enjoying everything. Suddenly your body rejecting to breathe. Imagine this scenario. Next 1 minute you will give your all strength to believe and pray that your body would regain it breathing power until you die.

There will be uncountable things unanswered if we starting to believe there is no GOD. Believe in GOD is an undeniable faith.
 
Kirk, Don't b so blind.
Every person in this world including you have blind faith in every day of life..
Let me prove it..

Say you go to a restaurant for dinner. You order lots of stuffs and food comes to your desk. You take all the cooked food blindly. You have faith on the cook that he did not poison your food.

Say you go to doctor for treatment. And the doctor tested your lots of thing and gave you some medicine and instruction than what you will do. You will blindly follow that doctor’s commands. Don’t you? There are so many things like this.

Say you walking on the street, enjoying everything. Suddenly your body rejecting to breathe. Imagine this scenario. Next 1 minute you will give your all strength to believe and pray that your body would regain it breathing power until you die.

There will be uncountable things unanswered if we starting to believe there is no GOD. Believe in GOD is an undeniable faith.

i would disagree, in the case of the cook,
we base that the cook likely didnt poison it on past experience among other things. "he doesnt want to be arrested, hes trying to keep his job, theres no reason to poison you, hes not an assain for the EEC, theres a lack of dead people eating next to you, ect..." If you came into the restraunt and found everyone dead from eating the special "spaceballs" you would be on blind faith thinking if you ate it too you would be fine..

The doctor, "the same" for the most part we have evidence.
"he assumingly is hired due to ahvign a degree, hes trying to keep his degree, ect...

walking? huh?

and jsut assuming god did it answers nothing, we still ahve the same questions unanswered or explained.
 
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