Peers Thrives on Shirk

[M H Kahn]

So can't we conclude that peers are sellers and their disciples are buyers of shirk?

 

[pauper]

So can't we conclude that peers are sellers and their disciples are buyers of shirk?

People trying to make a quick $ , are all foney baloneys .

But we should not generalize, cause i am sure non of us want to fall under this :

On the authority of Abu Hurairah (radiAllaahu anhu) who said : The Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said :

Verily Allaah ta'aalaa has said : Whosoever shows enmity to a walee (friend) of Mine, then I have declared war against him. And My servant does not draw near to Me with anything more loved to Me than the religious duties I have obligated upon him. And My servant continues to draw near to me with nawaafil (supererogatory) deeds until I Love him. When I Love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, and his sight with which he sees, and his hand with which he strikes, and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him; and were he to seek refuge with Me, I would surely grant him refuge.


It was related by al-Bukhaaree

 

[Souljette]

This is for all practicing muslims who follow the path of Allah (S.W.T) sincerely

 

[chacha_jalebi]

and also who do we know is a wali of Allah (Swt) like the famous wali of Allah (swt) are his Prophets (saw) and even Ibraheem (as) was named as khalil Allah (swt), because they are the real deals

so we dont know who is a real awliyah or who isnt, nowadays just because someone has a beard, and is claimin he knows "stuff" to cure people, people think he is a awliyah! so Allah hu alim, the Quraan and Sunnah, has all the cures, we dont need permission from anyone to read them, we can read them whenever we wanttt

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

Ibn Taymiyyah has written probably the best book on the subject of Awliya wherein he has clarified much of the controversies regarding this topic.

http://www.islamicboard.com/aqeedah/33732-criterion-between-allies-merciful-allies-devil.html

 

[pauper]

and also who do we know is a wali of Allah (Swt) like the famous wali of Allah (swt) are his Prophets (saw) and even Ibraheem (as) was named as khalil Allah (swt), because they are the real deals

so we dont know who is a real awliyah or who isnt, nowadays just because someone has a beard, and is claimin he knows "stuff" to cure people, people think he is a awliyah! so Allah hu alim, the Quraan and Sunnah, has all the cures, we dont need permission from anyone to read them, we can read them whenever we wanttt

Exactly , so since we dont know we should not go around throwing the shirk accusation at people , and generalize .

+ awliyaa' of Allah SWT are all over the world , who they are exactly only Allah knows , but do not harm them , thats the main point .

You can read the Quran whenever you want , but you are not closer to Allah SWT than the Saaliheen , or do you believe all muslims are one rank Good and BAd ?

 

[Souljette]

I've seen the Peers and i've gone to them wit my rentz and i know that it's something wrong dere doing..it's too obvious...there are ppl who are Awliyaa of Allah (S.W.T) but you will know who they are and if you don't atleast you'll have an idea of it..but the people who take money frm u to make du'a for u nd who luk soo weird...they do not luk like dere doin sumthng rite nd 'm sure it's nt right

 

[pauper]

I've seen the Peers and i've gone to them wit my rentz and i know that it's something wrong dere doing..it's too obvious...there are ppl who are Awliyaa of Allah (S.W.T) but you will know who they are and if you don't atleast you'll have an idea of it..but the people who take money frm u to make du'a for u nd who luk soo weird...they do not luk like dere doin sumthng rite nd 'm sure it's nt right

That is very true , but keep in mind that a Waliy of Allah SWT does not have to be some guy people flock to and makes du3aas for them .

It can be anyone who is a saali7een , it can be your doctor , your mom , your dad , your brother , The garbage disposal worker who is muslim .

Thats why we should be careful who we judge .

Allahu a3lam

 

[Souljette]

yes brother i understand that point that's why i said that Awliya's are between us and we shouldn't judge people but people i know who are doing wrong ..i will say are doing wrong...cuz i can see it with my own two eyes ..you know that's why i don't believe in Peers being nythng bt a part of shirk

 

[M H Kahn]

Peers are professionals who sell so-called spiritual healing and thrilling to their disciples as well other clients. A peer has disciples who are to make an oath of allegiance to him. Peers are not friends of Allah. They are professionals who earn money by selling so-called spiritual healing and thrilling. None but a misguided can be a peer. All peers and their disciples are engaged in selling and buying shirk. Peerism is mushrikism.

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

That is very true , but keep in mind that a Waliy of Allah SWT does not have to be some guy people flock to and makes du3aas for them .

It can be anyone who is a saali7een , it can be your doctor , your mom , your dad , your brother , The garbage disposal worker who is muslim .

Thats why we should be careful who we judge .

Allahu a3lam

:wasalamex

What exactly is the connection between the Awliyaa of Allaah and these peers, who are clearly exalting themselves above their station and abilities?

That ways and means not prescribed in the Sunnah will not help us in drawing closer to Allaah

Precisely.

 

[pauper]

Peers are professionals who sell so-called spiritual healing and thrilling to their disciples as well other clients. A peer has disciples who are to make an oath of allegiance to him. Peers are not friends of Allah. They are professionals who earn money by selling so-called spiritual healing and thrilling. None but a misguided can be a peer. All peers and their disciples are engaged in selling and buying shirk. Peerism is mushrikism.

Dont generalize , I am not sure what goes on in your Sub continent but Awliyaa Allah SWT for sure are their too , be careful who you point fingers at , it might come back at you ( in general not personal ) .

 

[Malaikah]

What on earth is a peer? That's the first time I've heard of this.... I'm guessing this is a sub-continent kind of word?

 

[Souljette]

Ye Peers are people who are almost worshipped in the Asian countries like India, Pakistan and Bangladesh..they are called messengers between god and them and people go to these people to ask them to pray for them when calamities strike them.. and they also pay them..it's ridiculous but many people actually think that they are some kind of messenger

 

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:salamext:

It can be anyone who is a saali7een , it can be your doctor , your mom , your dad , your brother , The garbage disposal worker who is muslim .

Thats why we should be careful who we judge .

You are right brother. May Allaah guide us into stop this pathetic habit of judging people, Astagfirullah la hawla wa la quwwata illa billah.

 

[Souljette]

No onez judging people here i don't judge any1...I understand where SIs Broken and Bro Pauper ur cuming frm but I'm not giving benefit of the doubt to people who throw it in my face and I have seen it with my own two eyes...I'm not ignorant..i wouldn't even comment on this issue if i didn't experience it myself.

 

[M H Kahn]

Dont generalize , I am not sure what goes on in your Sub continent but Awliyaa Allah SWT for sure are their too , be careful who you point fingers at , it might come back at you ( in general not personal ) .

Peers are surely a new edition of the Pharaos. Such people are called peers who themselves declare that they have become friends of Allah and invite people to become their disciples by taking an oath of allegiance with them. They are self-declared friends of Allah! They imply that they have influence over Allah and able to do good to their disciples by their influence over Allah.

 

[i_m_tipu]

Peers are surely a new edition of the Pharaos. Such people are called peers who themselves declare that they have become friends of Allah and invite people to become their disciples by taking an oath of allegiance with them. They are self-declared friends of Allah! They imply that they have influence over Allah and able to do good to their disciples by their influence over Allah.

well said

 

[north_malaysian]

What on earth is a peer? That's the first time I've heard of this.... I'm guessing this is a sub-continent kind of word?

I am going to ask the same thing too...

I thought it's the English word "Peer".... :-[ but then it has word closer to God, take money etc...and I doubt it that everybody is talking about an English word...

 

[north_malaysian]

Ye Peers are people who are almost worshipped in the Asian countries like India, Pakistan and Bangladesh..they are called messengers between god and them and people go to these people to ask them to pray for them when calamities strike them.. and they also pay them..it's ridiculous but many people actually think that they are some kind of messenger

So it's kinda Muslim version of Hindu Holy Men?