Mixed views on Saudi interfaith forum

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By Christopher Landau
BBC religious arrairs correspondent, Madrid

A major gathering of the world's religious leaders has called on governments to combat the association between religion and terrorism and promote constructive dialogue between those of religious faith.

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Several hundred delegates attended the conference

In a communique issued at the end of the conference in Madrid, religious leaders affirmed their shared concern for family life and the environment, and urged the United Nations to hold a special session on dialogue between religions and cultures.

The World Conference on Dialogue was the personal initiative of the King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, and organised by the Saudi-based Muslim World League.

Critics have challenged the forum's organisers on the lack of female speakers and the absence of any Jewish delegates from Israel.

'New page'


In spite of such criticisms, the gathering remained unique in its scope, with Catholic priests rubbing shoulders with Buddhist monks, Islamic leaders and Jewish rabbis as well as those of several other faiths.

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This conference is a very strong signal, from the top, that the true faith of Islam is about peaceful coexistence
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Tony Blair, former UK Prime Minister

King Abdullah began the conference by telling delegates that he brought them a message from a meeting of Islamic leaders last month.

He said it was "a message that declares that Islam is the religion of moderation and tolerance, a message that calls for constructive dialogue among followers of religions, and a message that promises to open up a new page for mankind, in which concord will replace conflict".

Criticism


Also present was former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who recently launched his own inter-faith foundation.

In a BBC interview, Mr Blair said that the conference was of "tremendous significance" given that it was initiated by the Saudi king.

"For many people round the world who are uncertain about what their relationship with Islam should be, who may often think that there are people within Islam who are hostile to those of other faiths who don't believe in peaceful co-existence - this conference is a very strong signal, from the top, that the true faith of Islam is about peaceful co-existence," Mr Blair said.

Some of the great religious divides in today's world were conspicuous in their absence from the conference agenda.

Deliberations were tightly controlled, with some delegates expressing frustration that were was little opportunity for open debate.

There was no formal session dealing with the Middle East peace process - discussions became heated when delegates raised whether there could be effective dialogue between Muslims and Jews.

'Photo opportunity'


Although there were many Jewish delegates present, the published list of those invited to the conference listed no Israeli residents.

Rabbi David Rosen, chairman of the international Jewish committee for inter-religious consultations, was invited in an American capacity - though he is an Israeli citizen.

"If there's to be a serious engagement with the Jewish people then it has to involve Israeli religious leadership substantially and centrally," he said.

The rabbi added that he was attending the conference to support a process, which he hoped would lead to meetings involving Israeli Jewish leaders inside Saudi Arabia.

"If it doesn't do that, it's just another photo opportunity," he said.

Mixed views


The role of women in religious leadership - and at the conference - was also raised.

Of the several hundred delegates, only a tiny proportion were women, and some delegates complained that no women were due to speak from the platform during the three-day meeting.

Dr Mekia Nedjar, a female Muslim delegate from Spain, was a late addition to the conference programme, and her inclusion was met with warm applause.

This conference was unprecedented as a Saudi initiative, and has largely been met with optimism by those attending.

But delegates have mixed views about whether the meeting will lead on to a concrete progress that builds better relationships between the world's religious faiths.

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i dont agree with this conference, what is this blasphemy law? i will be arrested if this happens! now these puppet leaders want to stop us from exposing Christianity and Judaism? give me a break.
 
i dont agree with this conference, what is this blasphemy law? i will be arrested if this happens! now these puppet leaders want to stop us from exposing Christianity and Judaism? give me a break.
Can I expose Islam?
 
i dont agree with this conference, what is this blasphemy law? i will be arrested if this happens! now these puppet leaders want to stop us from exposing Christianity and Judaism? give me a break.

Do you believe you understand christianity better than every christian in the world? Just asking. Somtimes, its not your job to expose other religions which you are most likely to be biasedly unlearned in, stick to promoting yours.
 
Do you believe you understand christianity better than every christian in the world? Just asking. Somtimes, its not your job to expose other religions which you are most likely to be biasedly unlearned in, stick to promoting yours.

exposing their religion is a form of promoting my own, for instance exposing trinity showing how wrong it is and discussing tawhid at the same time to show what is really true.

also when i prove Jesus isnt God it proves my case that Jesus is a prophet etc as we Muslims claim.

The Quran is filled with exposing paganism, and Christian Trinitarian beliefs, so it is Islamic to expose other false religions.
 
go ahead, but dont cry when i crush you down though (with knowledge and wisdom not physically) like i did to that Christian in the Church who almost began to cry.
How can you crush me down when everything is based on faith? What Empirical logic can you come up with to destroy my faith? For example neither you nor I can prove Musa parted the Red Sea. We both can prove Isa existed but can we prove his works?
 
exposing their religion is a form of promoting my own, for instance exposing trinity showing how wrong it is and discussing tawhid at the same time to show what is really true.

also when i prove Jesus isnt God it proves my case that Jesus is a prophet etc as we Muslims claim.

The Quran is filled with exposing paganism, and Christian Trinitarian beliefs, so it is Islamic to expose other false religions.
What proof other than the Quran do you have the Isa wasn't the Son of God? The Quran was dictated to man by God just like the Bible. What makes one any more true than the other?
 
exposing their religion is a form of promoting my own, for instance exposing trinity showing how wrong it is and discussing tawhid at the same time to show what is really true.

also when i prove Jesus isnt God it proves my case that Jesus is a prophet etc as we Muslims claim.

The Quran is filled with exposing paganism, and Christian Trinitarian beliefs, so it is Islamic to expose other false religions.

You are stating very old arguements which are not hard to refute - I am no christian but I could defend their faith in the end.

Point is, going around attacking other religion is not the way to do dawah. If you think it is, then you may aswell say that when people criticise Islam - it is good dawah too.
 
You are stating very old arguements which are not hard to refute - I am no christian but I could defend their faith in the end.

Point is, going around attacking other religion is not the way to do dawah. If you think it is, then you may aswell say that when people criticise Islam - it is good dawah too.

according to you you can defend Christianity, but not if you come up against me or others who are apologists in this field.
 
How can you crush me down when everything is based on faith? What Empirical logic can you come up with to destroy my faith? For example neither you nor I can prove Musa parted the Red Sea. We both can prove Isa existed but can we prove his works?

logic? yes funny your the one who believes all of this came out of nothing, and you want logic???? give me a BREAK man

secondly you attack a straw man, God exists outside limits, so splitting the sea is very easy and nothing wrong, so your objection is completly subjective, but thats okay, the prophecies and miracles of the Quran can confirm the supernatural truths.
 
What proof other than the Quran do you have the Isa wasn't the Son of God? The Quran was dictated to man by God just like the Bible. What makes one any more true than the other?

incorrect, the Bible wasnt written by men and dictated by God from where did you get this? EVEN CHRISTIANS DONT SAY THAT! EVEN THE GOSPELS DONTTTTTTTTT SAY THAT!

Luke was a historian doctor who decided to write from heresay and personal things he knew and he stated that in the opening of his book! it is a fact each Gospel book is the book of men after Jesus who didnt even know Jesus, and wrote on their own interpretations and opinions mixed with stories that were being passed around at the time.

The Bible is like a very bad mashed up version of the hadiths.

secondly, the term son of God in Palestine in Jesus' time didnt mean divine, but rather meant servant of God, as a Muslim we have no problem with this, what the Quran attacks is the literal interpretation of Son of God which you find in the Bible and catholic theology etc.
 
one of the greatest New Testement scholar Raymond Brown a Christian admits that the Gospel of John is a book of the authors interpretation of events, not the actual events as they happened. bet you didnt know that.
 
logic? yes funny your the one who believes all of this came out of nothing, and you want logic???? give me a BREAK man

secondly you attack a straw man, God exists outside limits, so splitting the sea is very easy and nothing wrong, so your objection is completly subjective, but thats okay, the prophecies and miracles of the Quran can confirm the supernatural truths.
Ok lay out your proof that Musa parted the Red Sea. The Bible's prophecies and miracles have come to past too so how does the Quran hold any more presedence over it? The Bible pre-dates Islam.
 
incorrect, the Bible wasnt written by men and dictated by God from where did you get this? EVEN CHRISTIANS DONT SAY THAT! EVEN THE GOSPELS DONTTTTTTTTT SAY THAT!

Luke was a historian doctor who decided to write from heresay and personal things he knew and he stated that in the opening of his book! it is a fact each Gospel book is the book of men after Jesus who didnt even know Jesus, and wrote on their own interpretations and opinions mixed with stories that were being passed around at the time.

The Bible is like a very bad mashed up version of the hadiths.

secondly, the term son of God in Palestine in Jesus' time didnt mean divine, but rather meant servant of God, as a Muslim we have no problem with this, what the Quran attacks is the literal interpretation of Son of God which you find in the Bible and catholic theology etc.
You do realize the Bible is broken into 2 parts don't you?
 
according to you you can defend Christianity, but not if you come up against me or others who are apologists in this field.

Even though I don't believe in it - it is easy to defend faith - in that - it is faith in the end. Be it christanity, hinduism, Judaism - everything can be made intellectually correct - as it is easy to do with faith. Hence, someone will always be able to refute you if you attack their religion.

So, stick to promoting yours, directly. Also, that eir of arrogance, it doesn't do anyone favours.
 
Even though I don't believe in it - it is easy to defend faith - in that - it is faith in the end. Be it christanity, hinduism, Judaism - everything can be made intellectually correct - as it is easy to do with faith. Hence, someone will always be able to refute you if you attack their religion.

So, stick to promoting yours, directly. Also, that eir of arrogance, it doesn't do anyone favours.
That's what I've been trying to say. I could bring up disparaging things about Islam to promote Christianity but I won't.
 
Ok lay out your proof that Musa parted the Red Sea. The Bible's prophecies and miracles have come to past too so how does the Quran hold any more presedence over it? The Bible pre-dates Islam.

if thats true then you still lose the debate as your an atheist, so how does that help your case? your job is to disprove prophecies all together, whether it be Bible or Quran. as far as im concerned the only true prophecies in the Bible regard the Messiah, nothing else, and that supports a Muslims view.

as for Moses splitting the sea, well my book contains supernatural prophecies and can be relied upon and is trustworthy, so there is no reason to doubt the story ever took place. you have to dry and disprove its reliability, and disprove the supernatural to disprove this event, which you cant as the prophecies are a supernatural thing that happens.
 

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