Seven Skies

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Assalamu Alaikum

well I'm guessing the seven layers of atmosphere:

1. Troposphere
2. Stratosphere
3. Mesosphere
4. Thermosphere
5. Exosphere
6. Ionosphere
7. Magnetosphere

fi aman Allah
w'salaam
 
salam alaikum sister
are they the only 7 ?
because the quran says sama which doesnt mean sky, coz sky is sehab i think, in isra miraj prophet ascended the 7 skies which wherent the atmosphere layers i think

allahu alem
jazak allah hayr sister anyway :)
 
Asalaamu alaykum.

Regarding Harun Yahya's theory of the Seven Heavens being the seven layers of the atmosphere - it may be a possible interpretation, however the Seven Heavens give rise to a much larger meaning.

First off, there is no conflict between the Seven Heavens and modern scienfitic knowledge.

It could literally be the dimensions outside of this universe.

It may also be something similar to parallel universes.

It may be an analogy describing worlds completely beyond human comprehension. Our own logic only applies to the world we see and how it behaves. Once you go beyond what we can naturally see, this logic starts to falter (i.e. quantum physics) and it is quite reasonable to assume that the Seven Heavens are beyond our logic.

Allahu alim. May Allah forgive us and save us from the fire. Ameen.
 
Asalaamu alaykum.

Regarding Harun Yahya's theory of the Seven Heavens being the seven layers of the atmosphere - it may be a possible interpretation, however the Seven Heavens give rise to a much larger meaning.
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Harun Yahya's description is not classed as a "theory" rather a "Miracle".

First off, there is no conflict between the Seven Heavens and modern scienfitic knowledge.
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I would say that you cannot establish this since it seems "controversial" in that it could mean any number of things.

It could literally be the dimensions outside of this universe.

It may also be something similar to parallel universes.
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All of a sudden "absolute truth" does not necesitate "absolute".

It may be an analogy describing worlds completely beyond human comprehension. Our own logic only applies to the world we see and how it behaves. Once you go beyond what we can naturally see, this logic starts to falter (i.e. quantum physics) and it is quite reasonable to assume that the Seven Heavens are beyond our logic.
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Our logic is also restricted to our knowledge which is not stagnant. This type of description you have given Azim seems to be laying the foundation for the regular cop out expression "Allah knows best".
 
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There are different interpretations one can take for the seven heavens; one can even put forth a strong argument that it refers to different things in different contexts.
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root said:
Harun Yahya's description is not classed as a "theory" rather a "Miracle".
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No, it is his theory on what the verse means.
seems to be laying the foundation for the regular cop out expression "Allah knows best".
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Cop out from what? The expression is simply an acknowledgement that human knowledge is inherently limited and that only God has complete knowledge on any matter.

Regards
 
I dont think that it refers to the seven layers ofthe atmosphere. Because during Miraj the Prophet saw saw various prophets at various levels and I dont think I can take rocket and go see the past prophets.
 
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Harun Yahya's description is not classed as a "theory" rather a "Miracle".

Ansar - No, it is his theory on what the verse means
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No Ansar:

Harun Yahya - It is a great miracle that these facts, which could not possibly be discovered without the technology of the 20th century, were explicitly stated by the Qur'an 1,400 years ago.
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He clearly claims it as a miracle:
http://www.creationofuniverse.com/html/science_07.html

Further, miraclesofthequran.com also claim it as a scientific Miracle:
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_19.html

At no point to they claim it to be a theory, so why are you suggesting they do and can you provide the source where they claim it as a theory and not a miracle please.
 
root said:
He clearly claims it as a miracle:
http://www.creationofuniverse.com/html/science_07.html

Further, miraclesofthequran.com also claim it as a scientific Miracle:
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_19.html

At no point to they claim it to be a theory, so why are you suggesting they do and can you provide the source where they claim it as a theory and not a miracle please.
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It is a theory ON WHAT THE VERSES MEAN - not a scientific theory. That is what you are confusing. His theory on what the verses means leads him to conclude that it miraculously imparts scientific knowledge.

Hope that clarifies.
 
It is a theory ON WHAT THE VERSES MEAN - not a scientific theory. That is what you are confusing. His theory on what the verses means leads him to conclude that it miraculously imparts scientific knowledge.
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You got me confused. So your saying that "miracles" are just theories of what verses mean?
 
Perhaps theoy isn't the right word, but by lack of any better word...

It is a theory in the sence that it is a valid and logical constructed interpretation until proven otherwise.
It is not a theory in the sense that it needs evidence. All it requires for its acknowledgement is good will, willingness.


Blind faith you ask? In the end of the day, is there any paradigm that doesn't require it?
 
Perhaps theoy isn't the right word, but by lack of any better word...

It is a theory in the sence that it is a valid and logical constructed interpretation until proven otherwise.
It is not a theory in the sense that it needs evidence. All it requires for its acknowledgement is good will, willingness.


Blind faith you ask? In the end of the day, is there any paradigm that doesn't require it?
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OK, so Quran miracles are not absolute proof of divine intervention then and are falsifiable? They may or may not be correct but are "probably" a divine miracle until proven otherwise?
 
hangon it says sab'3a samawat, not 'sab'3a sahaabat.. so its seven heavens, not skies


the prophet definately didnt go up to the magnetosphere to get the order for prayer from Allah... he went to the seventh heaven.. not the seventh layer of atmosphere lol...

salamz
 
lol yeh hehe alhamdulilah... well my arabic is crap, but i do know that samaawaat are definately not skies hehe..

i didnt read much about harun.. but bottom line is, his writings is nto the quran.. its just an interpretation.
 
the idea of alternet universes could be the most supported and logic one. the ideo of 'wormholes''( a sort of tunnel leading to other dimensions ) also comes in to place

subhanAllah
 
lol yeh just keep in mind these things are all theories and our extrapolation, we know there's baytul ma'3moor, different creations, different heavens.

How they're structured and stuff, at the end of the day, is purely Allahu Alam.

lol i wouldnt mind going on an excursion 'in search of the first heaven'.. lol innit amazing.. even after 60 or 100 years of travelling at thousands of k's n hour i would hav traversed probaly like 0.00000000000001% of the universe lol
 
[BANANA]GO BANANA [/BANANA]hahhahah chees you crack me up

it true though Allahu Alim

subhanAllah
 
oh god, ill send a banana boomerang up in space, when you get back tell me wat it feels like touching the stratosphere lol (that's about as far as a banana could probably get b4 melting) lol

salamz
 
whahahh abut chees would go bad if it is not kept cool for approximatly 1 hour, so in this sense [BANANA]BANAnA ROCKS[/BANANA]
 

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