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    Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam? (OP)


    I'm 27 year old, White Male.

    My father is a non-practising Christian and my mother is a practising Christian. I live in Canada, am University educated, and also work in the skilled trades. My life is going pretty good at the moment.

    I grew up in Toronto which has a lot of immigrants and is very multicultural. So, when I was about 16 or so, I started dating a practicing Muslim girl in high school, she was from Afghanistan. We dated for almost 4 years, then broke up, she is now married. We had sex with each other, so we took each others' virginity. Then again when I was about 22 or so, I started dating another practicing Muslim girl, from Iran, this time it lasted about a year and a half then we broke up. We also had sex. Then within the past 2 years I've been on-and-off dating another (non-practicing) Muslim girl from Iran, but I am currently single, and we've had sex. I've also casually dated maybe 10 or 20 other Muslim girls, but it's been casual dating and maybe kissing, nothing too serious. Mostly Iranians and Afghans, a few Iraqis as well.

    So, because of my experiences with Muslim girls, I've kind of always been around Islam since a teenager, and quite frankly I love the culture and the set of ideals associated with Islam. What really bothers me, as a White male, about Canada is this emphasis on "gender equality" and "feminism" when the reality is that men and women are different and were created that way to have different roles on purpose.

    I have always looked up to the Islamic way of life, and even with men, I always respect Muslim guys I meet at work or out socially.

    I guess what I'm saying is, I've been thinking about converting to Islam for the past few years, and maybe now it's time I'd like to do it.

    The problem, though, is that I don't think I would be a good Muslim. I have sex with a lot of different girls, and sometimes I even pay for it with prostitutes and film it even though I am good looking and can often get sex for free. I'm also a bit perverted sexually. I don't want to change that, it's part of who I am. I know that is not the way a Muslim is supposed to conduct himself.

    So, what I'm asking is, if its OK that I convert but still engage in the above? I respect and love the Islamic culture 100%, and I have for over 10 years now.

    What does everyone think about this? Would it be OK if I convert but just do so as a "moderate" or slightly non-practicing but still believing Muslim? I wouldn't want to give a bad representation of Islam, so I would keep my views to myself even if I convert.

    Thank You,
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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

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    When I first read this thread I thought he's a troll but didn't wanna judge him, so wanted to wait & see what he has to say he might be genuine but I'd say first impression was right!!

    Why the hell is he posting pics here?? Bet he's one of those people who go after Muslim girls and try proving Muslims do haram or Muslims go after non Muslims..well we already know Muslims commit sins! Don't think your a big thing sleeping around..don't think he's ever come across a real "practicing" sister..yep we make mistakes but don't commit such big sins when practicing..fornication is your hobby?? Pfffttt

    well everyones has told you fornication is a big sin but you still wanna continue with it..but yeah you can accept Islam if that's what you want no one can stop you
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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonstylin View Post
    Sorry, not everyone is perfect. I asked my question here because I would like help and advice on this issue so I thought this would be a good place to ask.

    I have a big problem with liberalism and feminism in the West, and this is part of what has attracted me to Islam. I also think its the best guidelines with which to live your life. That is my reasoning for wanting to convert.
    You're a big boy, use your brain.

    You claim you want to revert to Islam as it's the best way to live your life yet you live the complete opposite.

    You claim it's the best way to live but clearly you've never looked into Islam as you'd know your toxic way of life is not permitted.

    You must be incredibly lonely to make troll posts on a forum.
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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonstylin View Post
    Sorry, not everyone is perfect. I asked my question here because I would like help and advice on this issue so I thought this would be a good place to ask.
    Did you now...

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonstylin View Post
    I have a big problem with liberalism and feminism in the West, and this is part of what has attracted me to Islam. I also think its the best guidelines with which to live your life. That is my reasoning for wanting to convert.
    Yet you hypocritically want to objecify women and even pay for sex - while you pretend you are against liberalist mindsets?

    You do realise you've made an hypocritical statement here? meh

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonstylin View Post
    So I am asking if that is possible and OK with the hobbies I have.
    Hobbies pfft... you wouldn't know a hobby if a HobbyCraft landed on your doorstep by the sound of things.

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonstylin View Post
    Sorry that you take offense to my post, but I'm not trolling, just seeking some advice and help on this topic. Thank you.
    Go back to the drawing board.... make that an hobby.

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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    Bottom line is NO - you can't be a Muslim with such disingenuous motivations, sheesh.

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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    May Allah swt guide any person, Muslim or not, that has the displeasure of coming into contact with your contaminated odious soul.
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    Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    Look man, as long as there is breath in your lungs and a pulse in your carotid,
    then you can still turn to Allah and be Muslim. That is not only your right to, but your responsibility to do so.

    That being said, your motivations, and please forgive me for being blunt, do not sound sincere on paper as you intend to continue committing what is not only a major sin but morally bankrupt as an action from any point of view religious or otherwise (soliciting prostitutes, etc.)

    You know better than any of us here what is the condition of your heart, and your own sincerity. So we are no one to make a judgement of that.

    Islam is not a culture. It is a belief and a complete way of life.

    If you want culture, go hang out with some Arabs or Pakistanis or something.
    But if you want Truth, look into Islam.

    You must remember though, historically there have been people who claimed they were Muslim but only pretended to be for ulterior motives. They were the hypocrites.
    If you are sincere about this make sure you are not amongst them.
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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    (In the Name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful)

    @jasonstylin

    I've already sent you a PM in which I explained that you should convert but with the intention that you at least try to stay away from sins.

    That said, I honestly find it troubling that you would post pictures of your Muslim exes as the honor of a Muslim woman is highly regarded in Islam; and it is not acceptable to publicize someone's sins, especially on the Internet to prove that you are a real person. I find it disturbing that you would post pictures of these women without their explicit permission on the Internet where any person can find them; I have reported that one post and hopefully the moderators will remove those pictures.

    Anyway, I don't want you to be put off by Islam; Islam accepts all human beings, sinner or saint, as I've already said to you in my PM. But the point is that you should strive to submit yourself to God instead of your desires.

    Wishing you all the best,
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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    Thank you for the comments, and thank you for your PM, which I will henceforth reply to.

    Yes those photos are mine and belong to me so I have the legal right to distribute and/or show them. The only reason I posted them is because people here were saying I was a "troll" or making up a story. But my photos prove what I am saying is true and substantiates my comments. The photos are posted tastefully so as to be respectful.

    I need to do some thinking. Also, I believe at the end of the day if I choose to convert or not, that is solely decided by me and Allah, not anyone in this forum. I only need to be accountable to Him, and its my business and my freedom how I want to live or justify my life.

    I think I likely will convert to Islam, but I won't be one of those converts who is telling the world about it. I will mostly keep it to myself and close friends. I will not stop my hobby. But I understand that I will have to answer for it someday to Allah and I am prepared to do that.
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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonstylin View Post
    Thank you for the comments, and thank you for your PM, which I will henceforth reply to.

    Yes those photos are mine and belong to me so I have the legal right to distribute and/or show them. The only reason I posted them is because people here were saying I was a "troll" or making up a story. But my photos prove what I am saying is true and substantiates my comments. The photos are posted tastefully so as to be respectful.

    I need to do some thinking. Also, I believe at the end of the day if I choose to convert or not, that is solely decided by me and Allah, not anyone in this forum. I only need to be accountable to Him, and its my business and my freedom how I want to live or justify my life.

    I think I likely will convert to Islam, but I won't be one of those converts who is telling the world about it. I will mostly keep it to myself and close friends. I will not stop my hobby. But I understand that I will have to answer for it someday to Allah and I am prepared to do that.
    Then why even bother posting here it's your business and freedom how to live? The photos you posted prove nothing other than you know how to take images from someone else's instagram / facebook account. Convert or don't, it's no difference to Allah swt.
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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonstylin View Post
    Thank you for the comments, and thank you for your PM, which I will henceforth reply to.

    Yes those photos are mine and belong to me so I have the legal right to distribute and/or show them. The only reason I posted them is because people here were saying I was a "troll" or making up a story. But my photos prove what I am saying is true and substantiates my comments. The photos are posted tastefully so as to be respectful.

    I need to do some thinking. Also, I believe at the end of the day if I choose to convert or not, that is solely decided by me and Allah, not anyone in this forum. I only need to be accountable to Him, and its my business and my freedom how I want to live or justify my life.

    I think I likely will convert to Islam, but I won't be one of those converts who is telling the world about it. I will mostly keep it to myself and close friends. I will not stop my hobby. But I understand that I will have to answer for it someday to Allah and I am prepared to do that.
    If you take one step towards Allah, Allah will come towards you running.

    If you truly do embrace Islam, which is the most noble of deeds,
    Then I pray that this Islam purifies your soul, and instill you with nobility, so that you begin to love that which your Creator loves, and hate that which displeases your Creator.
    I pray that you progress beyond what you imagine yourself capable of.

    And part of that, includes that I pray that soon, naturally, as a Mercy from Allah, you can leave ALL your sins, and find this 'hobby' distasteful and abhorrent.
    Islam truly purifies the soul.

    Rome wasn't built in a day though.
    Even if you cannot imagine yourself being any different than you are now,
    If you take a step in the right path, I pray you one day suddenly look back into the mirror and realize you've changed completely from the man you once were, with nobility and honor where there was a void and sins before.

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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgyptPrincess View Post
    Then why even bother posting here it's your business and freedom how to live? The photos you posted prove nothing other than you know how to take images from someone else's instagram / facebook account. Convert or don't, it's no difference to Allah swt.
    Lol I was half tempted to reverse google image search them.
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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    Thank you

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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Timi Scar View Post
    Not being funny but I don't want Muslims like THAT - we got enough issues as it is without having some chump with a penchant for Muslim women wanting to be Muslim so he can sleep around... am i the only one who has clocked this troll or what?
    Did you miss the part about him having been fully able to have Muslim girlfriends despite not being Muslim himself (yet)? This isn't a troll. This guy has felt persuaded by Islam despite counting as a severe sinner under it. That makes him more of a sincere truthseeker than most of the people here, and his zina lifestyle changes nothing about that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Timi Scar View Post
    Muslims do not compromise on DEEN. GET THAT THRU YA HEADS.
    Nice attempt to frame the discussion, but no cigar. I have learned to see through such rhetorical maneuvers.

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    Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    Well jasonstylin, it was a good troll.

    Egyptprincess did the sleuthing.

    If want to troll at least do it proper and steal from some accounts where the pictures don't show up on google images or something.

    If you were looking for some information though, I hope you have learned something today, and I hope that you look into Islam and learn about it, and always seek the Creator.
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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    Allah is the Most Merciful. If you are sincerely repent for your sins inshallah Allah will forgive you for your sins.

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonstylin View Post
    I'm 27 year old, White Male.

    My father is a non-practising Christian and my mother is a practising Christian. I live in Canada, am University educated, and also work in the skilled trades. My life is going pretty good at the moment.

    I grew up in Toronto which has a lot of immigrants and is very multicultural. So, when I was about 16 or so, I started dating a practicing Muslim girl in high school, she was from Afghanistan. We dated for almost 4 years, then broke up, she is now married. We had sex with each other, so we took each others' virginity. Then again when I was about 22 or so, I started dating another practicing Muslim girl, from Iran, this time it lasted about a year and a half then we broke up. We also had sex. Then within the past 2 years I've been on-and-off dating another (non-practicing) Muslim girl from Iran, but I am currently single, and we've had sex. I've also casually dated maybe 10 or 20 other Muslim girls, but it's been casual dating and maybe kissing, nothing too serious. Mostly Iranians and Afghans, a few Iraqis as well.

    So, because of my experiences with Muslim girls, I've kind of always been around Islam since a teenager, and quite frankly I love the culture and the set of ideals associated with Islam. What really bothers me, as a White male, about Canada is this emphasis on "gender equality" and "feminism" when the reality is that men and women are different and were created that way to have different roles on purpose.

    I have always looked up to the Islamic way of life, and even with men, I always respect Muslim guys I meet at work or out socially.

    I guess what I'm saying is, I've been thinking about converting to Islam for the past few years, and maybe now it's time I'd like to do it.

    The problem, though, is that I don't think I would be a good Muslim. I have sex with a lot of different girls, and sometimes I even pay for it with prostitutes and film it even though I am good looking and can often get sex for free. I'm also a bit perverted sexually. I don't want to change that, it's part of who I am. I know that is not the way a Muslim is supposed to conduct himself.

    So, what I'm asking is, if its OK that I convert but still engage in the above? I respect and love the Islamic culture 100%, and I have for over 10 years now.

    What does everyone think about this? Would it be OK if I convert but just do so as a "moderate" or slightly non-practicing but still believing Muslim? I wouldn't want to give a bad representation of Islam, so I would keep my views to myself even if I convert.

    Thank You,
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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa View Post
    Did you miss the part about him having been fully able to have Muslim girlfriends despite not being Muslim himself (yet)? This isn't a troll. This guy has felt persuaded by Islam despite counting as a severe sinner under it. That makes him more of a sincere truthseeker than most of the people here, and his zina lifestyle changes nothing about that.



    Nice attempt to frame the discussion, but no cigar. I have learned to see through such rhetorical maneuvers.
    then take him under your wing an guide him lol and be responsible for his Islam and the practice of it. The guy is a troll. How many forums are you a member of? I have joined so many I lose count - the number of times I come across OPs such as his which later get exposed to be troll accounts is simply ridiculous but if you choose to remain green around the ears with your rosy view of this troll then so be it.

    You naive man you

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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    Oh and it's always in Ramadhan too - sheesh
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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    You know, from my first post in this thread I stated I was a White male and had many Muslim ex girlfriends.

    I then posted photos on this thread of myself (White male) with 3 different obviously Iranian and Afghan females. It seems a Moderator has removed these photos since? I understand that.

    Based on that, I think its pretty obvious that I am telling the truth about myself and my photos substantiate that. The only reason I posted them is because people said I was a troll in the first place.

    What motivation would i have to lie, where would i get those pics, and even if i was lying then but still clearly those photos are real.

    In fact I have even more photos of myself with my ex's that can further substantiate things.

    In any case, thank you for those who have made positive comments.

    I will think some more about my issue and make the best decision. I do have the highest respect and praise for Islam and that is why I would like to be a part of it.

    But on the weekends I like to visit with prostitutes. That's my decision and if Allah holds me accountable for that I will have to explain myself. I am prepared for that.

    Barring that I don't see any reason why I shouldn't convert. Also, it's better to be a bad Muslim, than just not a Muslim period. Right? Plus when I'm older like 50 or 60 I'm sure I won't still use prostitutes so at that time I will live a cleaner life.
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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    Also, are you folks sure that using prostitutes is not allowed in Islam? I know that pre-marriage sex is not permitted, but is that approached differently if it is viewed as an economic exchange?

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    Re: Not Sure if I should Convert to Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonstylin View Post
    Also, are you folks sure that using prostitutes is not allowed in Islam? I know that pre-marriage sex is not permitted, but is that approached differently if it is viewed as an economic exchange?
    Yes. Without doubt it is not permitted.
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