Kafir Boy needs Divine Intervention

That is because the 'n-word' is offensive. Amazing you haven't picked that up yet.

The whole point of religion is for you to make your own decision - there are presently 8 or so main ones so you cannot complain really as far as choice is concerned.

Realistically noone should be forcing anyone to join a religion, it should be up to the individual to choose (in Islam we have no compulsion in our religion...unfortunately not every muslim pays attention to this rule but that's a different story for a different thread)

Anywho, keep an open mind when learning about religions - that way you're gauranteed to find an answer.

The problem is ... should you be known as a "Disbeliever" or just a "Non-Practising Muslim"?

Well... I'm not an expert on this...

P/s: I've known so many people who observe Ramadhan and never perform salah in Malaysia.. and I dont call them Kafirs.

Asalamu 3leykum

welcome to the LI forum .. hope you enjoy ur stay Inshallah

wa3leykum salaam

walaikum salaam warahmatullahi wabaraktuh
Welcome have a nice stay!
I hope this forum is beneficial and will benefit you in the hereafter, Ameen

to the forum. Have a beneficial stay.

forbidden or just in bad taste?
we are all capable of vulgarity, curse words, animal behavior and every immature defense mechanism in the book! those who don't use them ( and so by choice), isn't because they are incapable of cursing, but because they exercise restrain not wishing to succumb to lowliness, and hurtful vocabulary... I don't think you understand Islam at all.... forgive me but it isn't an asset to have you as a Muslim, if such is what you were at some point. I don't know if you will find what you seek here... but I didn't find what I am looking for in a new member let alone a human being!...

good day to you!

format_quote Originally Posted by vorx

There are always things u can learn from people but yeah.. i didn't write all my special skills( i have nonelol) or anything beyond my personal interests. i didnt expect anyone to be amazed. I gave a short to thoughts i have about Islam and the way that seems perfect for me to follow.

This isn't about expectations so let me get that out of the way, you can change your screen name tomorrow as many times as you can afford to do so, and re-register and come back as a Zoroasterian for all we care, it was advise from the heart to a fellow human being!...

Now--90% of Muslims are sunnis, a mazhab is hardly a sect, those who are into sectarianism are innovators and that is forbidden in Islam, I can't think of anything more clearly forbidden... can we stop people from innovating? NO!--we can't really call them Muslims, but we can't call them non-Muslims.

I don't believe it is that difficult to follow the right path! Prophet Mohammed PBUH stated "khatibo innas 3la 3oqolihim" some Arab man came to him asked what he should do to become a Muslim he told him about the 5 pillars, because the man was simple and prophet Mohammed PBUH knew that it would be no use going over his head, if G-D addresses the psychology of man in the book, and the prophet implements those teachings, then I am not sure where there is a conundrum, if you want to learn more, there is more, if this is as an honest effort and as far as you can go, then he who created you surely knows of your inner self..
prophet Mohammed PBUH also stated--"inna adeen wasi3 fa'awghil feeh berifq, ina almonbbata la ardaan qata3a wla dhran abqa" if you speak Arabic, then I think it is very self explanatory. He PBUH assimilated religion to one trying to cross a vast desert, he stated he who is harsh, or cruel, will not be able to cross it, nor will he be able to keep his mode of transport...

You don't need an interpreter to be a Muslim, you need a good heart, strong will, and thinking head on your shoulders. When you find it to be times of tribulations then you hang on steadfast to the kitab and sunnah... it isn't that difficult for no matter your level of understanding Islam covers you on all grounds... and on a very basic fundamental ground, adorning oneself with kind manners, seems to me very basic... does it public opinion really matter? if you were in the midst of a tribe of cannibals would you join them eating the flesh of a human being, simply because it is popular?

I didn't mean to scold you. I just find it rather cruel, not forbidden to call people by things that aren't desirable to them. whether or not you are one of them... These aren't the traits of a Muslim... here is one last hadith on the matter
Once the Prophet was seated at some place in Madinah, along with his Companions. During this time a funeral procession passed by. On seeing this, the Prophet stood up. One of his companions remarked that the funeral was that of a Jew. The Prophet replied, “Was he not a human being?” (Sahîh Bukhârî, Sahîh Muslim, Sunan An-Nasâ'î)

with that said I hope the forum does offer you some explanations in areas that you find shady.. I find it a shame that British or American Muslims treat religion with more respect than some of us Arabs who speak the language of the Noble Quran...
look at this treasure... it is in your hands all along, rediscover it, rather than being "cool" and reveling in what is "forbidden" adorn yourself with the Noble manners of a Muslim.
waslaam Alykoum wr wb

As a last note... I think if you did some mild research you'll discover this whole so-called sectarianism is but an over inflated concept propagated by the west, a part of their psychological warfare, to curb the appeal of Islam which is the fastest growing religion.. that aside, prophet Mohammed has already stated that there would be 73 sects in Islam as happened in previous religion but to follow what is decreed and as I stated prior 90% of Muslims are indeed sunnis... that besides, I want to take care of one of the points you brought up about a "******" there is no such thing, and rather than me delving into what that means, I'll let Dr. Idris who is a professor of philosophy explain it best.

p.s the ****** are generally censored by forum however they denote w a h a b b i s m-- as you have brought up in your points

Response to The Washington Post

This is a letter that Dr. Idris sent to The Washington Post in response to the Article "Spreading Saudi Fundamentalism," where Dr. Idris' name was mentioned.. The letter was delivered to the Post by hand and via e-mail. The Washington Post did not publish his response.

Susan Schmidt’s report, (Spreading Saudi Fundamentalism), Thursday, October 4, 2003, is an example of writings about Islam that Muslims find very disturbing. They wonder what good does it serve the national interest of the United States to distort the facts about Muslim individuals, organizations, beliefs and positions, to see organizational links where none in fact exist, and to present all their honest activities as a threat to America?

The writer calls me an Imam, which I am not; I am a professor of philosophy. She groups me with what she calls salafi and ****** groups (her definition of which is ridiculous) while I consider myself to be an independent scholar who is not a member of any group or party or a blind follower of any leader; my only ultimate leader is Prophet Muhammad. I am certainly not a ******, and do not know of any scholar even in Saudi Arabia who calls himself a ******. There is no sect in Islam called ******sm. I did read some of Ibn Abdel Wahab’s works and I did write about him, but I never invited people to follow him, or any particular scholar or leader. I have great respect for him as one of our outstanding scholars, and the leader of a major revivalist movement. But still we do not accept every thing he says.

One might wonder why have the teachings of this man suddenly, and after more than two hundred years, become a threat to America? The answer is that what is now perceived by some to be a danger is not what is called ******sm. The epithet ‘******’ is now being exploited by many in America to describe any Muslim who takes his religion seriously. If you are a serious adherent to Islam, you are ******; if you are ****** you must be a terrorist; and if you are a terrorist you are a legitimate target. The message to practicing Muslims seems to be that if you are not like us you will not be tolerated by us. This is in essence is what the Senator, whom the reporter quotes, is saying. ******sm is a danger, we are told because it is “antithetical to the values of tolerance, individualism and freedom as we conceive these things.” Must everyone in the world conceive these things the way the Senator and his likes conceive them? If so then the problem is not confined to what is called ******sm. It is bound to include other Muslims, as well as all people who belong to other cultures; it is in fact bound to include many in the West since there is no consensus among them on the way these things are to be conceived. If your tolerance applies only to those who share your values and , further, conceive them the way you do, you will be making mockery of tolerance, which is by definition readiness to coexist peacefully with those who do not share your values. Thus in Islam a distinction is made between beliefs and believers. As far as beliefs are concerned there is absolutely no compromise: any belief that contradicts Islam is false, and must be criticized. But those who adhere to such false beliefs are to be tolerated, nicely treated and invited to the truth in the best of ways. It is because of this that Jews and Christians found their safest haven in the Muslim world long before the West started to talk about human rights and freedom of religion. “Jews familiar with history might note that from Spain to Baghdad, it was the Islamic world that offered the Jews of the Middle Ages a fair degree of toleration -- not the Christian West’, so tells us Richard Cohen in an article in the Post.; non-Muslims continue to live peacefully among Muslims. Islamic teachings, corroborated by our historical experience, teach us that the best atmosphere for the spread of Islam is the peaceful atmosphere. It is because of this that people like myself have been staunch advocates of peaceful coexistence and peaceful ways of inviting others to Islam long before September/11. And that is why we have been condemning acts of violence as ways of furthering the cause of Islam; we believe that they do just the opposite. But this has been of no avail to us; if you are an advocate of Islam, even by merely distributing copies of the Qur’an, you are bound to be viewed with suspicion. The same does not apply to organizations that put a copy of the Bible in every room of almost any hotel, not only in America, but in many other parts of the world.

We are determined however to stay this course. We know that being firm in our adherence to Islam has been one of the main reasons for its fast spreading.

Why is Islam expanding so spectacularly? … … … To any Christian familiar with the Bible, the answer is obvious: because God keeps His promises and blesses those who obey His Laws and fear Him, and punishes those who do not. … … Compare the amounts of abortion adultery, fornication and sodomy among Muslims and among Christians. Then compare the amounts of prayer. [Ecumenical Jihad, 1994, p.38]

These are the words of a Catholic professor of philosophy, Peter Kreeft. Could he perhaps be a Catholic ******?

Dr. Jaafar Idris

Washington Post article: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...Fundamentalism

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format_quote Originally Posted by vorx

I like saying the n-word because its so forbiden. same thing as the f word... they are so so so forbiden.

you need to stop following your desires and learn to do wats right.

seriously, how many people have you hurt the last month>? :X

These are all interesting points, and I certainly hope that the board will offer you answers to the most pressing queries. Would love to dedicate more time into my replies, but unfortunately, I am pressed for it.
so I am going to address in point style
1- Again 90% of Muslims are sunna, 73 sects doesn't mean, that all of them are present at the same time, some arise, some die down, certainly the nutty A H M M A D I E S, were an invention of British colonialism of India where they chose some rich brat and made him the so-called "reincarnate" of Prophet Mohammed, Jesus, and took the Quotes out of the Quran they didn't like, and voila here is a new religion, this was as recent at 200 yrs ago, and of course now they are all screaming human rights because they feel oh so-persecuted by the rest of the Muslims, who deem them heretics, which they are, and we all know who has interest in that. That is what I meant by foreign interest in our division.... very clearly in the Quran it states, he who desireth a path other than sunnat illah warasoloh, has strayed. The Quran is preserved, unlike the previous, scriptures so it is very hard to stray unless you are intentionally deviant.

In fact I have just had this conversation a few weeks ago with a Lebanese Maronite who is working on a re-interpretation of biblical text. If the original were in tact they wouldn't need all the humbug. But that is an expansive topic and like I said, I really can't delve into something that will take more of my time, than I am willing to dedicate.
2- Shiites were started more with the help of Abdullah ibn Sabb'a than mu3awayas attempts, I think a little history can take care of your most pressing queries, "He"-- Abdullah ibn sabb'a attempted to do for Islam, what "St." Paul did for Christianity.. however, in the Quran it states in 16.43

إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَـزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ

So there you have it, again it is a solo effort even if your community is corrupt. And what I meant prior was, if you were the only non-cannibal in a tribe of cannibals would you join in, just because it was the norm? not a custom, that you were regularly practicing.... a religion in order to convince you, has to be satisfactory to you both heart and mind, and I would recommend you this very short read by Dr. Gary Miller, who was a former priest. I think he is one of the examples I meant by Non-Arabic, former Muslims, who seem to value Islam more than we do his book can be found Here!
3- you are right, Islam is very much like medicine or pharmacy or any career path that requires you to have continuing education to maintain you license, it is a life time effort, not an over night change. I never suggested you are Muslim over night. It is a jihad with self and a struggle.

4- I am not sure what you mean exactly by your neighbors finding some practices immoral, I think in a society that boasts freedom, the question of morals has become a non-constant. What defines morality? This topic has been discussed here in some 33 page thread, and you are welcome to read it and participate in it.
5- Am I satisfied with what G-D gave me? I try to be, I believe that all that is good is from G-D, all that is bad it from within ourselves. It is human to not be thankful when things are honke dory, but the minute it all goes down hill, then it is "Oh- G-D why are you doing this to me"?
Certainly if you count the blessings that you have, you wouldn't be able to count them... you know the things people take for granted... you know things like your glycolysis , Krebs cycle your electron transport chain, your Cori cycle, your urea cycle, your Gluconeogenesis, your freedom from Lysosomal storage disease, your rods, your cones, your frontal lobes, your cranial nerves, your hippocampus, if you knew how much could go wrong in one tiny cell, you'd appreciate how much goes right, every day! etc etc etc etc.. do you will your body to do any of those things for you? did your parents? your parents only donated two cells. You'd pay $60,000 for a new heart from a donor should yours mal-function, that minus doctor fees, hospital fees, rehabilitation time etc how many times are you grateful that yours works on its own volition? so beautifully engineered that it wouldn't succumb to tetany if the rest of your body did.. would keep on beating even if your SA node gave up, your AV node takes over, when your Av node gives up, there you have your purkinje fibers... contemplate those things sometimes and stroll down impoverished provinces, it will cut down on the "greed" a little...
Lastly and in closure, NO, I am not perfect, far from it, it is a struggle for me as much as the next guy, I just find it a shame really, that a Muslim would have all this and choose to avert his eyes. Even to contemplate nature with some gratitude in your heart is a form of worship...
Good luck to you