Sorry for my brief answers, i have not done you justice.
But my point is that no one claim they saw the jinn in its original form because they are by default invisible- hence the meaning of the word "jinn" in arabic is something hidden or concealed.
The is based upon two verse firstly Allah (swt) explicitly says.
...He (Satan) and his tribe can see you, while YOU DO NOT SEE THEM.[7:27]
Brother
The above ayat was quoted by me before in one of my post/thread as reply. please see my other post/thread on this subject. I have written that you cannot see them as in the form which Allah created them " Smokeless Fire" Ar-Rehman vv 15 " And the Jinn did He create of Smokeless Fire". So I was never contesting this issue in the first place. I have written to you so many times to read my earlier posts but you seem to either ignore them completely or try to put new claim forward. Yes, Indeed I have never observed them when I was awake or in their original form. During that period when I am neither fully awake or asleep, I saw that evil black women and it is one of the kind of Jinn. This I have confirmed with a renowned Imam and Scholar who is also an Aalim from Madinah University. He confirmed all that I have said and never once said that I am lying or trying to make up stories. He even confirmed that He has seen one too in this condition of paralysis on bed. So I wasn't trying to make a story. Infact, in my complete dream state I have seen Prophet Isa (Jesus) P.B.U.H very clearly and also Our Prophet s.a.w. on three occasion. Once I saw him so close so as to describe all his facial features and body contours. To read more on those please visit my website www.trueislamicdreams.com.
Also on two occasion during complete sleep in my dream, I have seen 2 angels in human form and I of them even talked to me and delivered Allah's message to me in answer to my supplication. Now would you be calling me a liar again since I have revealed this new information to you Sir??? Did I ever said " I have seen a jinn in its original form?" NEVER. I said I have seen a jinn kind in a shape of a human female. Thats all. And you took all time to explain your position to me for nothing brother.
while some scholars have said even the prophet (pbuh) could not see the jinn in thier original form, quoting the verse
"...it has been revealed to me" (72:1)
Brother you say that " some scholars say" who are those scholars who say Rasul Allah didn't see the Jinn. They would surely be contradicting Imam Baihaqi then. Please name those scholars so I can personally write to them for explanation. Here is the authentic narration:
It is stated by Imam Baihaqi in "Dalail-e-Nubuwwat" on the authority of Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Masood (ra) that the Prophet (saw) once, said to his companions in Makkah: "Whosoever from amongst you desires to see the jinns, he should come to me tonight." Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Masood stated that nobody except me came that night. The Prophet (saw) took me with him to a high hill in Makkah. He drew a circle with his foot for me and advised me to keep sitting within that circle. Seating Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Masood within that circle, he advanced ahead and then stood at a place. There, he started recitation of the Holy Quran. All of a sudden a big group of jinns encircled the Prophet (saw) and that group stood as a wall between me and the Prophet (saw) and I heard the jinns saying: "Who gives evidence that you are the Prophet." There was a tree nearby. The Prophet (saw) observed: "Will you accept my claim if this tree gives the evidence?" The jinns said: "Yes, we shall accept it." On that, the Prophet (saw) called the tree. The tree came nearby and gave the evidence accordingly and all the jinns embraced Islam.
Now Let me quote the above verse to you in complete form
BismilAllah Ir Rehaman Nir Raheem
Surah Al-Jinn aya 2 " Say, It is revealed unto me that a company of Jinn gave ear, and they said : Surely we have heard a mervellous Quran"
Now please for my information and for the information of all who are reading it on islamicboard bring an authentic hadees of Rasul Allah s.a.w not a fatwa to authenticate the above position which the so called authors have taken This hadis should be authenticed either by Imam Bukhari or Muslim or any other Imams and maybe autheticated by Al-Albani. I am sure the scholars you are in touch with, must have a solid prove to say what they are saying. Only thing I am asking is to prove to me where they are getting their information from, which hadees they are driving their inferences from. I am sure you would be able to support that. Inshallah. I will be eargerly waiting for your reply.
i cant not find the exact reference to the comment of the scholars "that whoever claims to have seen the jinn in its original form has lied"
Brother again I never want to contest what you are writing above. In its original form I have never ever seen an evil or satan but I have seen it in human form. Read my original post please. I hope the case is closed here.
The reason why i mentioned to recite surah Baqarah (as a recommendation) was not to burden people, rather if this sleep paralysis is caused by the jinn then there is two ways of dealing with it
1. protect your self, body etc.
2. block/ stop the jinns from coming into the house in the compleatly.
Agreed here
The messenger of Allah (pbuh) said
"Shaytan flees from the house in which surah baqarah is recited"
Agreed here
Also paraphrasing
"Shaytan does not enter a house in which surah baqarah is recited for three days"
Agreed here
All I am saying is that for a Hafiz al Quran it is easier to recite surah Baqarah but for an ordinary muslim, due to the length of the surah, it is not possible to recite it as it takes a long time. So Rasul Allah has given us other surahs and aya. Surah Akhlas, Surah Nas and Surah Falak give us a powerful protection against evil kind and Rasul Allah has given it a name " The Protecting Ones" I have earlier quoted an authentic narration of Rasul Allah by Hazrat Aisha r.z. Anha. What I am saying is that we should make our life and life of those around us easy by giving them easier tasks as far as recitation is concerned. Don't want to over burden a muslim brother or sister. Thats all. Yes Ayatal Kursi Rukyah is also a very powerful tool to ward of evil ( I have quoted two hadis on this as well).
But you can, as brother hrm suggested read ayat al kursi because the prophet confirmed that Allah (swt) sends a guard (angel) to protect the person who reads ayat al kursi at night (with sincerity) and the shaytan does not come near the person til morning.
Agreed there
So it is possible to experience seeing jinn in forms other than original form, while semi-sleep or fully awake becasue jinns can transform and take shape of things.
cats, dog, snakes. humans.
Agreed there. Thats my point exactly.
But at the same time they can also cause people to see illusions or light, orbs, mist, shadows etc.
This has never happened to me AlhumduAllah but since you or someone close to you have gone through this experience, I will respect that view without question
Allah Knows Best.
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