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    Before anyone says anything I did think to put this in a womans only sectiON, BUT i really would like to hear what the brothers have to say on this subject aswell.

    Female Circumcision is practiced to this day and people attribute this to part Of Islam, to my knowledge its not so, I cannot find a single hadith that supports this, nor any ayah in Quran.
    Personally I think its horrendous what they do to these young girls , its evil and sick.

    What is your thought on this, do you think its right ?
    do you think it has any Islamic value to it if so where is this proof that it is Allowed and wanted in Islam ?
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    Re: Female Circumcision



    Question :


    Nowadays we hear that many doctors denounce the circumcision of girls, and say that it harms them physically and psychologically, and that circumcision is an inherited custom that has no basis is Islam .

    Answer :

    Praise be to Allaah.

    Firstly:

    Circumcision is not an inherited custom as some people claim, rather it is prescribed in Islam and the scholars are unanimously agreed that it is prescribed. Not a single Muslim scholar – as far as we know – has said that circumcision is not prescribed.

    Their evidence is to be found in the saheeh ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), which prove that it is prescribed, for example:

    1-

    The hadeeth narrated by al-Bukhaari (5889) and Muslim (257) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him), that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "The fitrah is five things – or five things are part of the fitrah – circumcision, shaving the pubes, cutting the nails, plucking the armpit hairs, and trimming the moustache."

    This hadeeth includes circumcision of both males and females.

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    Muslim (349) narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When a man sits between the four parts (arms and legs of his wife) and the two circumcised parts meet, then ghusl is obligatory.”

    The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) mentioned the two circumcised parts, i.e., the circumcised part of the husband and the circumcised part of the wife, which indicates that a woman may be circumcised just like a man.

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    Abu Dawood (5271) narrated from Umm ‘Atiyyah al-Ansaariyyah that a woman used to do circumcisions in Madeenah and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to her: “Do not go to the extreme in cutting; that is better for the woman and more liked by the husband.” But the scholars differed concerning this hadeeth. Some of them classed it as da’eef (weak) and others classed it as saheeh. It was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood. The fact that circumcision for women is prescribed in Islam is confirmed by the ahaadeeth quoted above, not by this disputed hadeeth. But the scholars differed concerning the ruling, and there are three opinions:

    1 – That it is obligatory for both males and females. This is the view of the Shaafa’is and Hanbalis, and is the view favoured by al-Qaadi Abu Bakr ibn al-‘Arabi among the Maalikis (may Allaah have mercy on them all).

    Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Majmoo’ (1/367): Circumcision is obligatory for both men and women in our view. This is the view of many of the salaf, as was narrated by al-Khattaabi. Among those who regarded it as obligatory is Ahmad… it is the correct view that is well known and was stated by al-Shaafa’i (may Allaah have mercy on him), and the majority stated definitively that it is obligatory for both men and women. end quote.

    See Fath al-Baari, 10/340; Kishshaaf al-Qinaa’, 1/80

    2 – That circumcision is Sunnah for both males and females. This is the view of the Hanafis and Maalikis, and was narrated in one report from Ahmad. Ibn ‘Aabideen al-Hanafi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his Haashiyah (6/751): In Kitaab al-Tahaarah of al-Siraaj al-Wahhaaj it says: Know that circumcision is Sunnah in our view – i.e., according to the Hanafis – for men and for women. end quote.

    See: Mawaahib al-Jaleel, 3/259

    3 – That circumcision is obligatory for men and is good and mustahabb for women. This is the third view of Imam Ahmad, and it is the view of some Maalikis such as Sahnoon. This view was also favoured by al-Muwaffaq ibn Qudaamah in al-Mughni.

    See: al-Tamheed, 21/60; al-Mughni, 1/63

    It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (5/223):

    Circumcision is one of the Sunnahs of the fitrah, and it is for both males and females, except that is it obligatory for males and Sunnah and good in the case of women. End quote

    Thus it is clear that the fuqaha’ of Islam are agreed that circumcision is prescribed for both males and females, and in fact the majority of them are of the view that it is obligatory for both. No one said that it is not prescribed or that it is makrooh or haraam.

    Secondly:

    With regard to the criticism of circumcision by some doctors, and their claim that it is harmful both physically and psychologically,

    This criticism of theirs is not valid. It is sufficient for us Muslims that something be proven to be from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), then we will follow it, and we are certain that it is beneficial and not harmful. If it were harmful, Allaah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not have prescribed it for us.

    In the answer to question no. 45528 we have mentioned some of the medical benefits of circumcision for women, quoting from some doctors.

    Thirdly:

    We would add here the fatwas of some modern scholars who have responded to this war that has been launched against female circumcision on the grounds that it is harmful to health.

    Shaykh Jaad al-Haqq ‘Ali Jaad al-Haqq, the former Shaykh of al-Azhar, said:

    Hence the fuqaha’ of all madhhabs are agreed that circumcision for both men and woman is part of the fitrah of Islam and one of the symbols of the faith, and it is something praiseworthy. There is no report from any of the Muslim fuqaha’, according to what we have studied in their books that are available to us, to say that circumcision is forbidden for men or women, or that it is not permissible, or that it is harmful for females, if it is done in the manner that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught to Umm Habeebah in the report quoted above.

    Then he said:

    From the above it is clear that the circumcision of girls – which is the topic under discussion here – is part of the fitrah of Islam, and the way it is to be done is the method that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) explained. It is not right to abandon his teachings for the view of anyone else, even if that is a doctor, because medicine is knowledge and knowledge is always developing and changing. End quote.

    In the fatwa of Shaykh ‘Atiyah Saqar – the former heard of the Fatwa Committee in al-Azhar – it says:

    The calls which urge the banning of female circumcision are call that go against Islam, because there is no clear text in the Qur’aan or Sunnah and there is no opinion of the fuqaha’ that says that female circumcision is haraam. Female circumcision is either obligatory or recommended. Even though there is a fiqhi principle which says that the decree of a ruler may put an end to a dispute regarding controversial matters, the decree of the ruler in this case cannot be but either of two things: that it is either obligatory or recommended, and it is not correct to issue a decree banning it, so as not to go against sharee’ah which is the principal source of legislation in our land, whose constitution states that Islam is the official religion of the country. It is permissible to issue some legislation that provides guidelines for performing this procedure (female circumcision) in the proper manner in such a way that does not contradict the rulings of sharee’ah.

    The words of the doctors and others are not definitive. Scientific discoveries are still opening doors every day which change our old perceptions. End quote.

    In the fatwa of Dar al-Ifta’ al-Misriyyah (6/1986) it says:

    Thus it is clear that female circumcision is prescribed in Islam, and that it is one of the Sunnahs of the fitrah and it has a good effect of moderating the individual’s behaviour. As for the opinions of doctors who say that female circumcision is harmful, these are individual opinions which are not derived from any agreed scientific basis, and they do not form an established scientific opinion. They acknowledge that the rates of cancer among circumcised men are lower than among those who are not circumcised, and some of these doctors clearly recommend that circumcision should be done by doctors and not these ignorant women, so that the operation will be safe and there will be no negative consequences. However, medical theories about disease and the way to treat it are not fixed, rather they change with time and with ongoing research. So it is not correct to rely on them when criticizing circumcision which the Wise and All-Knowing Lawgiver has decreed in His wisdom for mankind. Experience has taught us that the wisdom behind some rulings and Sunnahs may be hidden from us. May Allaah help us all to follow the right path. End quote.



    Hope that clears somethings up!


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    Re: Female Circumcision

    SalAM alykum
    Before posting this topic I had checked Quran and Hadiths and I had found no evidence what so ever that circumcision is obligatory or reccoemneded even for women, and it is VERY VERY CLEAR, if its something that is doubtfull then its better we dont do this.

    But as always culture vultures can't help themselves.
    There is no hadith from the Prophet PBUH saying anything about woman circumcision, also NOOR posted this hadith about the 5 things, one of the five things was trim the moustache, but we dont start saying this is enough evidence that it means women aswell, its clear its referring to men.

    But I have something much better , that no one has mentioned yet and that is the hadith from shahi Bakari , narrated by (corrected myself not aisha but abu Haraita Allahs Apostle who said that Abraham cirumcised himself at the age of 80.

    Abraham did this to himself not to his DAUGHTERS or his WIFE,

    I have no doubt what so ever that cirumcision in women is not at all allowed it is a form of mutilation therefore must be haram, not only that there is no mention of this at all in Quran even, to use the argument that womens circumcision is like that of mens is basically ridiculous, we all know our private parts are COMPLETLEY different, therefore must be treated different.

    Its a sad thing in this day and age when Muslims in this world still continue to carry out tradtions of mutalation and then kid themselve and delude themselves that its part of the sunnah.
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    Aalimah Thankyou so much for the link !
    And dear mods dont delete this topic , I don;t think it deserves to be brushed under the carpet , plus its a fact of life.
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    Re: Female Circumcision

    so where/who practises female circumcision today?

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    Re: Female Circumcision

    This is a sad topic but one that surely needs to be addressed. I am so afraid because this is something I saw being done in a documentary on television one time and I never heard of it being done before. I asked my husband about it as he was Muslim all his life. He gave me a reason why it is done in Egypt but I just don't agree with it. My husband is an Egyptian man and I told him that I don't want it done to our daughters when we have children. He seems to want it done. I know that I must obey my husband but this is one thing I am strongly against. How does one get their husband to see their point of view of the situation without causing problems in the marriage?

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    Alykum salam
    I agree with you that it certainly is a topic that does need addressing.
    You will have to ask him for evidence from hadiths as proof that it iwll be fine to do this to your daughters (they wont thank you for it believe me)
    When he will struggle to find any evidence then concede there is no good evidence he will have to agree that it is a ridiculous cultural practice with no Islamic evidence to back such an act up.

    Find some video footage of what these girls go through and let him watch it, Im sure he will think twice after that.
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    Dr Zakir Naik , yes a REAL DR for those who are familuar with him and VERY respected scholor who wins all debates HANDS down, because he comes with accurate information and hadiths, Ayahs,

    http://www.allaahuakbar.net/us/genital_mutilation.htm

    I will paste abit, PLEASE I urge you all to have a look, especially those that agree with this gross act .
    was asked this question before: Is genital mutilation for females allowed in Islam? The answer is no, it is not. Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him clearly prohibited mutilation or maiming of the body:

    Narrated 'Abdullah bin Yazid Al-Ansari: "The Prophet forbade robbery (taking away what belongs to others without their permission), and also forbade mutilation (or maiming) of bodies. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Oppressions, Volume 3, Book 43, Number 654)"

    Also Malik Muwatta may Allah Almighty rest his soul and be pleased with him taught that genital mutilation for men is not allowed in Islam. He was a famous scholar after our Prophet peace be upon him. He has compilations of many of the Sayings and teachings of our Prophet peace be upon him:

    "Malik related to me that the generally agreed on way of doing things amongst the community about an accident is that there is no blood-money until the victim is better. If a man's bone, either a hand, or a foot, or another part of his body, is broken accidentally and it heals and becomes sound and returns to its form, there is no blood-money for it. If the limb is impaired or there is a scar on it, there is blood-money for it according to the extent that it is impaired.
    ..........
    Malik said, 'The generally agreed on way of doing things in our community is that when the doctor performs a circumcision and cuts off the glans, he must pay the full blood-money. That is because it is an accident which the tribe is responsible for, and the full blood money is payable for all that in which a doctor errs or exceeds, when it is not intentional.' (Translation of Malik's Muwatta, Blood-Money, Book 43, Number 43.5.4a)"

    As you can see above from our Prophet's Saying, any type of body mutilation or maiming, even if it were a small tattoo is clearly prohibited in Islam. Surgical errors when dealing with the man's glans (a small rounded gland-like structure; especially that at the end of the penis or clitoris) are punishable. This clearly proves that intentional genital mutilation is prohibited in Islam.

    Notice that Malik Muwatta was talking about circumcisions done to males only. No females were mentioned. Below we will see more proofs that circumcision in Islam is meant for males only.

    I personally am not aware of any Muslim country that allows genital mutilation for females. But however, if you heard of Muslims practicing it in the third world countries, it is either a lie, or an old bad tradition that some people or tribes might still follow, even though their (originally pagan) traditions violate Islam's way of life and GOD Almighty's Laws.

    So, if you are concerned about the Religion of Islam allowing such sick tradition, then please know that Islam prohibits it. If some Muslim people (I never heard of any myself) are still doing it, then this has nothing to do with Islam, and I am positively sure that they are NOT known to their governments or local authorities.

    End

    Only thing I will say is , obvously DR Naik is not aware of just HOW many muslims in 3rd world countries are doing this and goverment authoritys do know about it.
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    Thank you for the advice sis. I will do that. When I saw this being done on television in the documentary I was watching ... I was appalled by what I saw and I cringed every second. It was extremely painful for these girls to have it done and they screamed every second it was being done. It is something I never want to have to see again. I just can't imagine putting any girls through such a horrific act.

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    This topic is one that is filled with emotions and so forth. Firstly, one must understand the difference between female circumcision and female genital mutilation, because there is a huge difference. Also, one must remember that it is haraam to make something that Allah made halaal, especially when categorized as mubaah.

    Many of us, have ill feelings towards this action, but if nothing in Qura'an and Sunnah forbids female circumcision, then we all have no right to say that it is haraam.

    Personally, I do not believe that female circumcision is obligatory in Islam. Many scholars conclude that female circumcision is mustahab and since mustahab is a commandment that is not binding, if one does not do a musthab action, they are not punishable.


    And eyes_of_mine, Dr Zakir Naik is not a scholar, nor did he profess to be one.


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    You might exscuse the emotions when it comes to sexually assualting and mutiliating kids, however none the less emtions aside even this topic has obviouslly come with some proofs and evidences of why circumcision for women has no Islamic backing for it.
    Your only defence for it sort of being allowed, may we say turn a blind eye to is that fact that in Quran and Sunnah it is not written that people SHOULD not do that to their girl children, its is not logical , taking that sort of attitude its like your making rules up that ARE not there which by the way will NEVER make it HALAL , at best its a doubtfull thing and doubtfull things we should steer clear off.


    The Quran tells husbands to make sure they please their wives sexually , how can a husband do this when the girl has had that done ? so where does female circumcision fit into that ? please do answer inshallah.

    As for Dr Zakir Naik not being a scholor maybe so however his expertise and knowledge of Quran, torah and bible make him better than alot most scholors with his scientific and medical knowledge added on.

    Sheikh Ahmed Deedat said this about him
    Sheikh Ahmed Deedat, the world famous orator on Islam and Comparative Religion, who had called Dr. Zakir, "Deedat plus" in 1994, presented a plaque in May 2000 awarded to Dr. Zakir Abdul-Karim Naik for his achievement in the field of Da’wah and the study of Comparative Religion with the engraving "Son what you have done in 4 years had taken me 40 years to accomplish, Alhamdullilah.”

    Now how many scholors would love to get the deedat plus ?

    A medical doctor by professional training, Dr. Zakir Naik is renowed as a dynamic international orator on Islam and Comparative Religion. Dr. Zakir Naik clarifies Islamic viewpoints and clears misconceptionsabout Islam, using the Qur'an, authentic Hadith and other religious Scriptures as a basis, in conjunction with reason, logic and scientific facts. He is 37 years old.

    37 years old, can you imagine him at 57 yrears old ?
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    Agh, it's just sick.. My whole body hurts when I'm reading this.. Even though it is permisseble(some says) then I think you should abstain from it..
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    Also I found this which I believe has relevance
    Vol 8 Book 76 Hadith 533
    Narrated by Ibn Abass: The Prophet stood amongst us and addressed saying you will be gathered barefoot, naked, and UNCIRCUMCISED (as Allah says) As we began the first creation, We shall repeat it....' (21.104)
    And the first human being to be dressed on the day of resserection will be (The Prophet)Abraham Al Khalil, Then will be brought some men of my followers who will be taken toward the left (I.e the Fire), and I will say: 'Oh Lord my companions' upon which Allah will say: You do not know what they did after you left them, I will then say as the pious slave Jesus said, And I was witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them...(upto)...the All-WISE' (5.117-118). The narrator added: Then it will be said that these people (regulated from Islam that is) Kept on turning on their heels (deserting Islam)

    Also another thing to consider is that boys were not circumcised at birth in the Prophets days PBUH boys were apparently not circumscised untill they reached puberty (see Vol 8, Book 74, Hadith 313 shahi Bukhari)

    so shall we say lets act on this hadith and circumcise all boys at the age of puberty ? any Dr will tell you HOW PAINFULL that will be and is only reccomended on medical grounds, its done to boys at birth because
    A; They will NOT remember it
    B: It will be less painfull
    c; Its easier to do and causes less scarring
    D: Circumcision in men will not cause them to loose sexual feeling
    HOWEVER
    Circumcision is not done to girls when they are babies, it will be to difficult if not impossible to cut away at their bits so they wait till the girl is grown when she will
    A; remember
    B; be caused GREAT distress and Pain
    c: be denied sexual pleasure with her husband

    so its is LITTLE wonder that in Quran and Sunnah there is no HADITH saying this obligatory or needed on the women . indeed the mere fact that upon being gathered before allah not only will we be Naked we will also be uncircumcised, WHY is this fact been mentioned and further proof in the Quran Allah intends to have us as he created us and that is UNCIRCUMCISED, No TATTOOS ect ect ect ect.

    It is so clear .
    Please Reflect on that.
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    Re: Female Circumcision



    Listen, I fear my Creator, in that I will never testify something to be haraam, no matter how awful the action may be, unless the Qur’an and Sunnah forbid it. Also, I’m in no way promoting or encouraging female circumcision, however, I will not say that it is haraam. You must remember everything is halaal until proven haraam. If the Shari’ah does not speak about an act that is not worship, then the default is halaal until proof is brought that the Shari’ah forbids it. Again, you and I have not right to say that something is haraam, so I would advise you to control your emotions when discussing something which you have little knowledge of, attempting to involve Islam and concluding to a notion. If scholars are debating such a topic, we cannot say that this is it, khalaas. Granted, you are permitted to have an opinion, but desist from speaking for Islam.


    Hadith: What Allah made halaal in His book is halaal. And what he made haraam in His book is haraam. As for what He kept silent about, those things are from His grace, so accept this grace from Allah. Verily, Allah was never to have forgotten anything.


    Btw, I know Dr. Zakir Naik is a remarkable man, I was only correcting you.



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    Re: Female Circumcision

    salaam alakum all,

    i have to agree with sister noor, and say we shouldnt make staements about subjects we havent full knowlage of.

    sister baby muslimah,
    circumcision is usually the removal of the male foreskin as is nessecary in islam and judaisim and female circumsision i think you already read about.
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    Greetings,

    I've already made my position clear on the issue of female circumcision. With regard to Dr. Zakir Naik, who's been mentioned, from what I've seen (The Qur'an and the Bible in the light of science) his recall is exceptional (about the best I've ever seen), but his arguments are weak. I'd like to see more of his work, but to be honest I don't expect his argumentation to change much beyond its basic core. (Perhaps I'm being prejudiced there, I don't know).

    He's clearly a gifted man; a powerful speaker.

    Peace

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    Well if it we are to say everything is halal untill prooved haram isn't that dangerous ?
    I do not make a sweeping statement that everything is HARAM untill prooven halal, I merely aired the view of many many muslims and experts ofr that fact.
    Circumscision is from the jews its that old !
    are we to do everything that was done in times gone by ?

    I certainly am not speaking in a personal context and it is not JUST my opinion but many many other ppls opinion aswell.
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    Now for the real message..sister I truly think your lost... every muslim is told to follow the actions of prophet Muhammad PBUH and for you to belittle his actions is an act of kufr. You have to remember that our prophet is the best of creation, his action were according to what Allah SWT said and his actions are recorded in the sunnah for us to follow. So I suggest you keep your remarks about the prophet to yourself. It is okay for you to have an opinion on female circumcision but for you to speak for the entire ummah is a sign of ignorance. you should know that Islam is timeless, therefor there is no "back in the days".
    wa/salam and may Allah forgive you.

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    Eyes_of_mine, seriously, [color=red---[/color] Please read CAREFULLY the following before rushing to write a reply back.

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    Question of Fatwa As-Salamu `alaykum. What is the Islamic legal ruling concerning female circumcision?
    Name of Mufti Yusuf Al-Qaradawi
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    Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.


    In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

    All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

    Dear sister, we are very pleased for the great confidence you repose in us and we really commend your apparent interest in having a better understanding of the teachings of Islam and the rulings of this great religion in all matters. In fact, Islam is a religion that encompasses all aspects of life and secures guidance and light for all mankind.

    Before delving deep into the question of female circumcision, we would like to make it clear that "female circumcision" means removing the prepuce of the clitoris, not the clitoris itself.

    As for the Shari`ah stance on female circumcision, it’s a controversial issue among the Muslim scholars and even doctors.

    In response to the question, the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, states:

    “Actually, this is a controversial issue among jurists and even among doctors. It has sparked off fierce debate in Egypt whereby scholars and doctors are split into proponents and opponents.

    However, the most moderate opinion and the most likely one to be correct is in favor of practicing circumcision in the moderate Islamic way indicated in some of the Prophet's hadiths – even though such hadiths are not confirmed to be authentic. It is reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said to a midwife: "Reduce the size of the clitoris but do not exceed the limit, for that is better for her health and is preferred by husbands". The hadith indicates that circumcision is better for a woman's health and it enhances her conjugal relation with her husband. It’s noteworthy that the Prophet's saying "do not exceed the limit" means do not totally remove the clitoris.

    Actually, Muslim countries differ over the issue of female circumcision; some countries sanction it whereas others do not. Anyhow, it is not obligatory, whoever finds it serving the interest of his daughters should do it, and I personally support this under the current circumstances in the modern world. But whoever chooses not to do it is not considered to have committed a sin for it is mainly meant to dignify women as held by scholars.

    As for male circumcision, it is one of the obligatory practices in Islam. Scholars even hold that whoever finds that some Muslims have stopped practicing male circumcision should force them to revert to this Sunnah that characterizes the Muslim nation.”

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    Also, take a look at this;


    Question of Fatwa As-Salamu `Alaykum. There is a widespread practice of 'female circumcision' among Muslims in many nations, though limited to some sections only. What does the Shari’ah say on this and what are the Prophet’s words regarding this?


    Name of Mufti Ahmad Kutty
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    Wa`alaykum As-Salaamu Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.

    In The Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

    All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

    Dear questioner thanks a lot for your interesting and important question, and we hope our efforts, which are purely for Allah’s Sake, meet your expectations.

    In his response to the question, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and an Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, issues the following Fatwa:

    “Circumcision for males is considered an important rite of initiation in Islam. It is a part of the legacy of the Prophet Ibrahim, peace and blessings be upon him, whose role model we have been ordered to follow in the Qur’an. It is, therefore, a highly significant rite in Islam, which distinguishes Muslim males from others.

    When we come to the issue of “Female circumcision”, however, the mater is quite different. There is nothing in the sources, either the Qur’an or the Sunnah, to suggest that it is a PRESCRIBED ritual of initiation for women in Islam.

    While one finds a number of traditions from the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, which clearly indicates that he ordered pagan males who converted to undergo circumcision, it is not stated anywhere that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, ordered any woman who entered Islam to undergo this practice.

    Because there is no absolute proof from the sources of Islam prescribing female circumcision, the vast majority of scholars do not include it in the OBLIGATORY rituals of Islam.

    It is common knowledge in Islam that if the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, had wanted female circumcision to be an integral aspect of religious practice in Islam the same way that male circumcision is, he would have said so clearly. Since he did not do so, we can safely assume it is not a prescribed ritual of Islam."


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    These two opinions are from the same website....islamonline.net

    Therefore, you shouldnt bicker about this subject. There are many opinions, and you have no right to say,mine is incorrect and yours is correct. We agree that female genital mutilation is awful, and wrong. And we also agree that female circumcision is not obligatory in Islam. I say that female circumcision is mubaah and you say that it is haraam. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    Then we may continue this discussion.



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    Salam Alykum
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    Anyway thankyou for the input from the 2 sheikhs. what the two sheikhs had in common was their admittance that no where in Quran or Sunnah is it written that female circumcision is halal or that is a something that Prophet or Allah presecribed to the people.
    You and others who take your thinking of 'lets allow it as its not been written in Quran as 'haram' SO LETS ASSUME ITS HALAL. are in my view and others view WRONG.

    It is said that if something falls into the doubtfull areas, things we cannot be sure about then one should avoid the doubtfull things.

    Female circumscision is at the very least DOUBTFULL and depending on how you interpret the Quran and Sunnah some of us do see it as Haram, even though they may be hadiths talking about it sort of being allowed or turned a blind eye to, these hadiths by the scholors admittance are WEAK hadiths, even more of an example of why its 'DOUBTULL'.

    Some might argue that to say things that are doubtfull are halal untill we know otherwise is infact ignorant also

    I and others agree there is enough evidence to fairly say that this act of FGM is not permitted in Islam, and Im more than happy to prescribe to that having seen the horrors it causes young girls.

    May I suggest to you that you research the horrors of FGM .
    The mere fact that if we are going to have muslims that say yes yes its ok go ahead and do it there is nothing that says it is haram so yalla do it, means we will always have those people who GO TO FAR and cause medical problems and deaths of these girls.

    Allah left it out the Quran for a reason like you said, if he wanted to he could of put DO NOT DO THIS AT ALL, but maybe he wanted to see what we will do and what they did was barbaric and cultural wrongness and to my mind has no place in Islam (my personal Opinion)

    You cannot go on the notion that becuase it is 100% not written in Quran or sunnah that it is HARAM, we cannot operate on the assumption that it is HALAL.

    First of all where is your evidence in Quran or Sunnah that says if you doubt it , do it anyway ?
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