niqab...what do you think?

**Protected_Diamond** · 11-01-2005

asalamualykum warhmatulahi wabarakthu

Is it faraz upon the believing women to wear a niqqab? If yes is there any hadith's to prove this?

I wear the niqqab yeah (im not trying to big myself up or anyfin) but some of my mates feel that it's not faraz whereas i feel it is, but they mentioned that if you don't wear it in Hajj then im sure you don't need to wear it when you not in Hajj :sister:

discuss please

jazahka Allah khair

walakumasalaam warhmatulahi wabarakthu

**Ra`eesah** · 11-01-2005

Assalamu'Alaykum

there are difference in opinions regarding Niqab.
The issue is not wearing "NIQAB" but instead it is what is definded as "Awra" and this is where the difference in opinions come in. its a very deep and intense issue.

However its not what we "think" about niqab, but what we "know". covering the face i believe and from what i have studied is infact farth/wajib. i will provide my proof and evidence from the Quran and authentic hadith soon InshAllah,meantime i wanted to make a few points .

1. when doing an act we must do it sincerely for the Sake of Allah. regradless of it being WAJIB or Sunnah.

2. We must do it regardless, of what ppl say or what we fear.
Allah says:
whoever fears Allah - Allah will create for him a way of deliverance.And will provide him sustenance from a place he had never expected; and whoever relies on Allah – then Allah is Sufficient for him; [Talaq 65:2-3]

3. another thing is that we must be aware of the 2 different types of RIYA' ( showing off )

a. Doing an act of worship for hope of people to praise you or say that you are pious.

b. NOT doing an act of worship for fear people will call you "pious"

either way the action is NOT being done for the sake of Allah, therefore it will fall under Riya.

**Far7an** · 11-01-2005

Assalamu alaikum

Jazakallah khair sister, I increased the font size of your post, as it was difficult to read.

**MetSudaisTwice** · 11-01-2005

salam
yeah true words sis
does riya mean showing off?
wasalam

**Ameeratul Layl** · 11-01-2005

Originally Posted by metsudaistwice

salam
yeah true words sis
does riya mean showing off?
wasalam

Yes brother, it does.

**MetSudaisTwice** · 11-01-2005

salam
jazakallah, am learning
wasalam

**S_87** · 11-01-2005

umm i think its wajib ..theres anough evidence for this

**MetSudaisTwice** · 11-01-2005

salam
doesn't it say in the quran that women must cover themselves? doesn't that include niqab?
wsalam

**Ameeratul Layl** · 11-01-2005

Originally Posted by metsudaistwice

salam
doesn't it say in the quran that women must cover themselves? doesn't that include niqab?
wsalam

I depends on skool of thought as well.

**Lina** · 11-01-2005

An act of obedience. The hijab is an act of obedience to Allah and to his prophet (pbuh), Allah says in the Qur'an:
`It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His messenger have decreed a matter that they should have an option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, has indeed strayed in a plain error.' (S33:36).

Allah also said:
'And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and protect their private parts and not to show off their adornment except what must appear thereof, that they should draw their veils over their Juyubihinna.'(S24:31).

Juyubihinna: The respected scholars from As-Salaf As-Saleh (righteous predecessors) differed whether the veil cover of the body must include the hands and face or not. Today, respected scholars say that the hands and face must be covered. Other respected scholars say it is preferable for women to cover their whole bodies.

But then again 'Juyubihinna' does not include the face and hands (which is said but different scholars)
It all comes down to the translation of 'Juyubihinna' and if that includes the face and hands.

If I didn't have a clue about Arabic I might think that “juyubihinna" actually means FACE. There is no way that this word means face or body in Arabic. It comes from the root word meaning neck, collarbone in arabic. Not only is the stuff in brackets wrong, but it is inside the quotes of the Quran. This is how the older scriptures got corrupted, people slowly started sneaking their own words into the text. Alhamdulillah Allah promises to protect the Quran until Judgement Day. I have also read ahadith translated so badly, where the word head is substituted with face just to try to make an evidence out of nothing. This is why it is so important for all of us to try to learn Arabic so that we can read things for ourselves instead of someone else’s translation.

The word FACE does not exist in the arabic version of this hadith. it reads "...cut their waist sheets at the edges and FAKHTAMARNABIHA" this word in arabic is derived from the word khimar, and it simply means "they put them as khimar". A khimar does not cover the face. we can prove this by using the following hadith: Abu Dawood Book 2, Hadith # 0641: Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin (Radhiallaahu Ánha) "Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said "Allah does not accept prayer of a woman who has reached puberty unless she wears a veil." the word they translate as "veil" is in arabic khimar. And we all know that we are not allowed to pray with our faces covered; thus the khimar can not possibly cover the face if we are instructed to wear it when we pray.

Sister Ayaah

As we see there are a lot of different opinions on this matter and Allah knows best. (Allah ou A3lam)

for more info; http://members.tripod.com/~ibnfarooq/niqaab.htm
http://sisters.islamway.com/modules....rticle&sid=329

**Ameeratul Layl** · 11-01-2005

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I skimmed through ur article sis.
Just want to say: JzakAllah.

Allah ma3ik

**S_87** · 11-01-2005

Originally Posted by Ameeratul Layl

I depends on skool of thought as well.

nope all four imams were in agreement that niqab is waajib

mst- Although the Quran does not specifically say cover the face...when the ayahs of Sure Ahzab were revealed that is what the women did. they had more understanding than we ever would today and they understood the Ayahs.

**Ameeratul Layl** · 11-01-2005

[mst- Although the Quran does not specifically say cover the face...when the ayahs of Sure Ahzab were revealed that is what the women did. they had more understanding than we ever would today and they understood the Ayahs.[/QUOTE]

Okay sis. Im gan ask u a question....no im being serious.

If I have a intention to wear the niqab once I am married. Do u think Allah will let me off (not punish) for not wearing it now?

**S_87** · 11-01-2005

Originally Posted by Ameeratul Layl

[mst- Although the Quran does not specifically say cover the face...when the ayahs of Sure Ahzab were revealed that is what the women did. they had more understanding than we ever would today and they understood the Ayahs.

Okay sis. Im gan ask u a question....no im being serious.

If I have a intention to wear the niqab once I am married. Do u think Allah will let me off (not punish) for not wearing it now?[/QUOTE]

im not qualified to answer your question, sorry.:loving:

but whos to say that we will live till we are married?
Allah is Most Merciful

**Ameeratul Layl** · 11-01-2005

but whos to say that we will live till we are married?

Gud point....Oh well, Ive made a promise that Ill wear it once Im married. My intention is gud....so thats it then.

**Silver Pearl** · 11-01-2005

warahmatullahi wabarakatuh,

There are strong evidence for both sides, thus there is really no point for us to dwelve into an issue we can only speak based merely on opinion. The face isn't seen as awrah by the school of thoughts.

**S_87** · 11-01-2005

Originally Posted by Silver Pearl

warahmatullahi wabarakatuh,

There are strong evidence for both sides, thus there is really no point for us to dwelve into an issue we can only speak based merely on opinion. The face isn't seen as awrah by the school of thoughts.

whats the evidence on the other side?

**Ibn Abi Ahmed** · 11-01-2005

Originally Posted by metsudaistwice

salam
i think niqaab is totally essential in a sisters life and they should try and wear it at all times, sis ameeratul layl its not that hard to put on the niqaab
wasalam

Agreed bro.

**Lina** · 11-01-2005

Originally Posted by Silver Pearl

warahmatullahi wabarakatuh,

There are strong evidence for both sides, thus there is really no point for us to dwelve into an issue we can only speak based merely on opinion. The face isn't seen as awrah by the school of thoughts.

Exactly, the face isn't seen as 'Awrah,

parts of the body that are not supposed to be exposed to others. For men this is from the navel to the knee. For the women it is all of her body except the hands, feet, and face.

Allah knows best (Allah ou A3lam)

more info; http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_li...am/ch3s1p7.htm

**Ameeratul Layl** · 11-01-2005

Originally Posted by Åhmed

Agreed bro.

Yeah thats it bro....u gang on me as well...

**S_87** · 11-01-2005

Originally Posted by Lina

Exactly, the face isn't seen as 'Awrah,

parts of the body that are not supposed to be exposed to others. For men this is from the navel to the knee. For the women it is all of her body except the hands, feet, and face.

Allah knows best (Allah ou A3lam)

more info; http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_li...am/ch3s1p7.htm

the article has Quranic ayahs..but with Quran is Sunnah-hadiths to show us what it means.
inshaAllah sis 3washey will elaborate on this