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    In some Ayas, the Quran mentions a "We". Verily, Qarun (Korah) was of Musa's (Moses) people, but he behaved arrogantly towards them. And We gave him of the treasures, that of which the keys would have been a burden to a body of strong men...} Quran (28:76)
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    Re: Who is "We"?

    We is the way of the majestic to refer to Himself
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    33 43 1 - Who is "We"?
    He it is Who sends blessings on you, as do His angels, that He may bring you out from the depths of Darkness into Light: and He is Full of Mercy to the Believers. [Quran {33:43}]
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    Re: Who is "We"?

    As a jew , Dont you know that your own language "We" is an Hebrew Plural of Respect. The word IM in Elohim is plural of respect
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    When truth is hurled at falsehood , falsehood perishes. because falsehood by its nature is bound to perish [21:18- Holy quran]
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    Re: Who is "We"?

    It is similar in Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian language), in very formal and honorable occasions, a person would refer to himself/herself as "kami" ("we") instead of "saya" (normal "I") or "aku" (casual "I")

    I'm sure it used to exist in english too, right? before the casualization of english?
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    We is used in Quran for many purposes. It is for power and royality, majesty, formality, to name a few. Human existance is dependent on water, and everytime Allah mentions water He SWT says We sent it down. Showing His power and His ability to destroy humans by with holding water. However, We is NEVER used for worship. There is no verse that worship Us, but it is always worship me, worship Allah, worship your lord, etc. Hence, the literary perfection is captured while there is no ambguity regarding who is being worshipped.
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    Re: Who is "We"?

    format_quote Originally Posted by birkah View Post
    We is used in Quran for many purposes. It is for power and royality, majesty, formality, to name a few. Human existance is dependent on water, and everytime Allah mentions water He SWT says We sent it down. Showing His power and His ability to destroy humans by with holding water. However, We is NEVER used for worship. There is no verse that worship Us, but it is always worship me, worship Allah, worship your lord, etc. Hence, the literary perfection is captured while there is no ambguity regarding who is being worshipped.

    Subhanallah I never knew about this. Miracles of qur'an keep growing.
    Jazakallah for sharing this amazing information.
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    Re: Who is "We"?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Ramadhan View Post
    It is similar in Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian language), in very formal and honorable occasions, a person would refer to himself/herself as "kami" ("we") instead of "saya" (normal "I") or "aku" (casual "I")

    I'm sure it used to exist in english too, right? before the casualization of english?


    In archaic English, the "we" was used by royalty. Whenever a king would make a royal decree, he would say "We have decreed that...". It comes from the old belief in the Divine Right of Kings that was prevalent during the Middle Ages. Kings would say "we" meaning "I and God".
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    Re: Who is "We"?

    JAZAKALLAH really when ever we were just talking to any one and their we use "we" we feel more respectable and noble, Seems lie the old history people belongs to very nobility and respect that's why they always use We instead of I well in more common study "I" refer to proud-ness and superiority complex people.
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    Re: Who is "We"?

    Tell me, did any non-Muslim try to use the We thing against Islam?
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    Re: Who is "We"?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Boaz View Post
    Tell me, did any non-Muslim try to use the We thing against Islam?
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    Yep - some christian Missionaries use this to Justify the trinity (Odd I know) they also try to make this out that we does not mean One God etc etc -

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    Do you think the pious don't sin?

    They merely:
    Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
    Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
    Took ownership of it and don't justify it
    And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
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    yes, they do and its stupid. Even with their ignorant "logic," if they accepted trinity is in the Qur'an then they have to accept Islam, something they would never do (their tactics backfire). So its just stupid to try to look for trinity. once a person studies grammar, they see how much exclusivity there is in Quran, especially when it comes to Taweed -- Allah's sole right of worship. The first command in Qur'an is worship your lord (No ambiguity), the one who created you..Qur'an begins with Rab, Ar-Rahman...
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    Re: Who is "We"?

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    WE, WE, WE ………WE


    Who is the We in the Quran ?



    WE = Allah ?


    'We' can not be Allah because Allah can say I




    2:186
    When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he call on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.



    Do you know the Story when Moses talked to the God with no name ?


    20:12
    "Verily I am thy Lord! therefore (in My presence) put off thy shoes: thou art in the sacred valley Tuwa.


    20:13
    "I have chosen thee: listen, then, to the inspiration (sent to thee).


    20:14
    Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise.


    If you are saying all of you that :

    WE = the way of the majestic, Royalty, respectful
    I = what about I ? is it a kind of direspectful



    With all respect due to Muslims I do not want to offend you but all the Quran is build like this you worship one god Allah but behind the name there are a lot of things hide behind.

    You can not notice it because when you are among a group, ideology or a religion (same for Christians, Jews …) you become a blind person and you try to protect and defend your belief with illogical arguments that we teach you.


    I give you an example if I say :


    WE do not believe to the same God, We have not the same belief

    The WE = Plural more than 1
    I use the plural for me and others people with me


    If in the totality of the Quran the ‘WE’ is for respect what about the I used in the verse above ?


    Read carefully the verse bellow 100 times if you can :

    39:2
    Verily it is We Who have revealed (to you ) the Book to thee in Truth: so serve Allah, offering Him sincere devotion.


    What do you read ?


    We’ is not to you and WE is not Allah (I)



    Open your eyes one more time and focus on the part of the verse bellow I wiil separate in 2 parts for best understanding :


    1) We Who have revealed (to you ) the Book to thee in Truth
    2) so serve Allah,


    Can you please tell me sincerely what do you notice when is separated in 2 parts



    The Eternal god bless you all.



    Peace.
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    Re: Who is "We"?

    format_quote Originally Posted by JOHNJOHN View Post
    WE = Allah ?


    'We' can not be Allah because Allah can say I
    Says who? 'we' is a royal we, already discussed here and in the other thread where you've displayed your ignorance. We can't be made to bare the outcome of your gross under-education.
    Kindly enroll in some basic classes to teach you grammar, you can ever dare to branch out into parsing, conjugation, semantics and then read the book you're arguing against in totality so you're not wasting everyone's time with frank stupidities!

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    Text without context is pretext
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    Re: Who is "We"?

    Johnjohn is just your average normal christian troll. In other threads, he made some ridiculous assertion how it was not possible for Ibrahim (pbuh) to build ka'bah, and I had to dumb down my sentences and logic for him to have him finally acknowledge that Ibrahim (pbuh) built Ka'bah. And then he went on that it was not possible for Ibrahim(pbuh) to trabel to makkah, and again I had to dumb down sentences and logic for him.
    Have a look at this thread, if for your amusement only:

    http://www.islamicboard.com/worship-...ars-islam.html


    So, my advice when responding to johnjohn is to make your sentences and logic and evidence as simple as possible. It seems believing in man as god can really fry few brain circuits. We should have pity maybe.
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    Re: Who is "We"?

    Also, johnjohn refuses to read your answers and posts, as evidenced in this thread where his question had been answered in previous posts.
    In the other threads, I also had to repeat my post replies a few times to the point where he couldn't dodge them anymore.
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    Re: Who is "We"?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Ramadhan View Post
    Also, johnjohn refuses to read your answers and posts, as evidenced in this thread where his question had been answered in previous posts.
    In the other threads, I also had to repeat my post replies a few times to the point where he couldn't dodge them anymore.
    That tends to happen when you have a skewed brand of 'truth' and desperately trying to shove it down people's throats.. thing is my three year old nephew can refute him without much effort.. just that he's an annoying gadfly otherwise in the holy month with nonsensical logorrhea can really start to get annoying you know.. on the one hand the mods feel he's harmless which he is and if they ban him he'll get a false sense of importance but on the other hand they unleash him on fasting members who feel obliged to correct him for obvious reasons and then it turns out to be a big waste of time and energy. Not only is he not reading or responding to treatment but he keeps posting his non-queries on every other post that you just want to ............ gahhhhhhh

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    Re: Who is "We"?

    Peace


    You have no arguments you want just to ban me, Did the prophete Mohamed teach you that ?

    Tell me where I have done something wrong ?

    Answer to my post and tell me where I made mistakes ?


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    Re: Who is "We"?

    39:2
    Verily it is We Who have revealed (to you ) the Book to thee in Truth: so serve Allah, offering Him sincere devotion.

    WE in all languages is more that one, tell me in which language WE = I

    If you see the verse 2 of the surah 39 thing that you refuse to see.


    We have

    1) WE
    2) the personn who receive the revelation
    2) Allah


    The 1) We ask him (the personn who receive the revelation) to serve 2) Allah can you explain me that please.


    Because in other verses Allah can say I ???



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    Re: Who is "We"?

    Dear John

    Peace

    I am sure no-one wants to ban you. The Prophet Muhammed (Pbuh) was an example to mankind and was very tolerance even in the face of adversity.

    I think before you post you should attempt to read and comprehend the posts that members of IB have posted.

    As i say to children, think, engage brain and then speak or in this case type a post.

    Peace and Best Wishes
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