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    Greetings,

    I have begun re-reading the Qua'ran online for educational purposes. For those interested, I'd like to document my experience on this thread.

    Currently, I'm using this translation: http://www.noblequran.com/translation/

    I'd welcome advice for other translations, especially if they have footnote references for further study.

    Thanks,

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    Greetings,

    I didn't mean any offense, I honestly don't know much about the Quar'an or Islamic culture. I read parts of the Koran when I was a teen, but didn't really get it then. I'm just writing my gut level response a new book. I usually speak off the top of my head. I've read a lot of other stuff, so i try to relate new ideas to ones I've had contact with.

    How should I refer to th Author in my writings? Allah? SWT? What is the polite writing method? I'd be happy to alter my writing to respect custom.
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    @IB:

    Lol, guys, don't you think that Dan should make the leap that the author is a divine being on his own?

    Sorry, it's not that I don't get from where you guys are coming from, but I used to be an atheist/agnostic, and I understand why he refers to the Author as "author."

    Dr. Jeffrey Lang, when he was reading the Quran, referred to the Author as "author" too, especially when he relays his conversion story from atheism in a presentation available on YouTube "Purpose of Life." And honestly, isn't it awesomely kind of DanEdge to share his journey with the Quran with us?

    @DanEdge :

    Allah means "God" and it is neither feminine or masculine form, and it refers to an indivisible, one God, and it is the personal name of God which encompasses all 99 known divine names and attributes. Muslims use "SWT" as an add-on to Allah the abbreviated English form of SubhanAllah wa Taala (Glorious and Exalted is God) as a show of high respect and esteem.

    Lol, now, I'm put in an awkward position: I don't want to discourage you from substituting "Allah" for author, but I don't want to have you to do anything with which you're uncomfortable either because quite honestly I see this as your personal and unique journey with Quran.

    And honestly, we're just happy and at least I know I feel humbled that you wanted to share the journey with us on IB.

    So, really, I'd say your choice, bro.

    Quote Originally Posted by DanEdge View Post
    Greetings,

    I didn't mean any offense, I honestly don't know much about the Quar'an or Islamic culture. I read parts of the Koran when I was a teen, but didn't really get it then. I'm just writing my gut level response a new book. I usually speak off the top of my head. I've read a lot of other stuff, so i try to relate new ideas to ones I've had contact with.

    How should I refer to th Author in my writings? Allah? SWT? What is the polite writing method? I'd be happy to alter my writing to respect custom.
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    Re: Non-Muslim Reading the Qur'an

    To me, author is ok. It gives to those analyzes a personal touch and of course we understand who you are referring.
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    Re: Non-Muslim Reading the Qur'an

    Quote Originally Posted by Search View Post




    @IB:

    Lol, guys, don't you think that Dan should make the leap that the author is a divine being on his own?

    Sorry, it's not that I don't get from where you guys are coming from, but I used to be an atheist/agnostic, and I understand why he refers to the Author as "author."

    Dr. Jeffrey Lang, when he was reading the Quran, referred to the Author as "author" too, especially when he relays his conversion story from atheism in a presentation available on YouTube "Purpose of Life." And honestly, isn't it awesomely kind of DanEdge to share his journey with the Quran with us?

    @DanEdge :

    Allah means "God" and it is neither feminine or masculine form, and it refers to an indivisible, one God, and it is the personal name of God which encompasses all 99 known divine attributes. Muslims use "SWT" as an add-on to Allah the abbreviated English form of SubhanAllah wa Taala (Glorious and Exalted is God) as a show of high respect and esteem.

    Lol, now, I'm put in an awkward position: I don't want to discourage you from substituting "Allah" for author, but I don't want to have you to do anything with which you're uncomfortable either because quite honestly I see this as your personal and unique journey with Quran.

    And honestly, we're just happy and at least I know I feel humbled that you wanted to share the journey with us on IB.

    So, really, I'd say your choice, bro.


    May Allah swt make it easy for him.
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    Re: Non-Muslim Reading the Qur'an





    Quote Originally Posted by M.I.A. View Post
    May Allah swt make it easy for him.
    Ameen, bro.


    @DanEdge :

    The word "ameen" is a supplication meaning, "O Allah, respond (to or answer what we have said)."

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    Re: Non-Muslim Reading the Qur'an

    dan edge it is good you are searching and seeking but we can not do this on our own. as humans we are weak and our efforts are feeble

    it is important you supplement your reading with prayer if you want to gain full benefit from reading the quran, we need our creators guidance every second of the day. as a muslim we read in our prayers over seventeen times a day "guide us to the straight path"

    if you are uncomfortable saying Allah or god then say "oh the one who created me guide me to the path you are pleased with" be sincere and inshaallah you will see results. it was interesting to read your reflections on the quran and i only wish more non muslims were as open minded

    may allah grant you the guidance you seek

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    Re: Non-Muslim Reading the Qur'an

    @DanEdge , Yahya is John the Baptist.


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    Re: Non-Muslim Reading the Qur'an

    Greetings,

    Thanks to all who have replied.

    I'm going to stop posting on this thread until I can figure out how to do it in a way that will not be against forum rules.

    Sincerely,

    --Dan Edge
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    Re: Non-Muslim Reading the Qur'an

    One last thing,

    My response to MIA was arrogant, sarcastic, and inappropriate, and I apologize for the disrespectful post.

    Sincerely,

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    Re: Non-Muslim Reading the Qur'an

    Analysis of Surah Al-A'Raf:

    Don't accept misrepresentations of the true religion, because Allah will do the final accounting in the end.

    Satan's expulsion is accounted here, along with the his deception of Adam and Eve. He convinces them to eat from the Tree (of Knowledge?), which was forbidden by Allah. Uh oh. Humans have to wear non-extravagent clothes (were they unclothed before?) and obey sexual laws. Proof has been given for these rules, and hellfire awaits those who disagree. True justice was offered to heathens, and they rejected these logical arguments.

    Another interesting crossover: Verse 54 provides a very short summary of the creation from Genesis. "Indeed your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in Six Days..." Allah is an omnipotent god. He also makes the crops grow. And creates the Flood! Noah survives, and cuts out the roots of non-believers.

    Lot, his wife, and Saleh bring more crossovers. Those disbelievers who argued with Saleh got an earthquake in return.

    Side note: This Surah is much more like the Old Testament in its account of supernatural stories. In earlier Surahs, the author relies more on on his logical arguments, but here it is clear that Allah will make his point through natural disasters, if necessary.

    Lot's famously immoral home town experienced a rain of stones. Shu'aib (is there a Jew/Christian counterpart?) has a religious argument with a chief of the people of Midian, which is cut short when the dissenters are crushed by another earthquake. Allah is hard as nails.

    Moses vs. Pharaoh! One of the greatest battles of all time, and the Quar'an does the story justice. Pharaoh is brutal: "Surely, I will cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, then I will crucify you all." But Moses in undeterred. He has Allah on his side. A torrent of natural disasters afflict his enemies.

    I didn't expect an account of the writing of the Ten Commandments in the Quar'an, but here it is in verse 145. But there is no accounting of what Moses wrote on the Tablet. Too bad. There are still 12 tribes created (another crossover), and Allah forgives those fools who worshiped the calf. He's a forgiving and understanding god, as long as you don't try to dismember and crucify his people.

    Side note: the term Ayat is referenced over and over throughout all Surahs. I looked it up seems to refer to many things: verses of the Quar'an, arguments, proofs, logic, more. I need to understand this term better to understand what is meant in the Quar'an.

    There are many short verses here (170ish-206) that make an argument that I don't follow. I get that the author is saying that Allah represents the truth, while the disbelievers don't. But I think there is something deeper here -- some missing context that I don't understand. In the end, everyone worships Allah.

    Thanks for reading,

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    Common Misconceptions against holy Quran :

    Does the Quran Hate People of the Book?



    .....If you read the Qur’an with a free mind, you can see that it does NOT criticize all Jews and Christians. It is critical only of some among them. And for that matter, the Qur’an does not spare the declared followers of Muhammad, too, when they deviate from truth and justice. Indeed, a considerable number of verses in the Qur’an are directed against the hypocrites among the “followers” of Muhammad himself (peace be on him). This was true of the followers of all prophets, including Moses and Jesus.

    If we read the Books of the Old Testament, we find the prophets (and through them God) making very scathing attacks on the people who defied or ignored the teachings of the earlier prophets. For example, we find these verses rebuking the transgressions of the Children of Israel in the Book of Jeremiah 3:8–10:

    “And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery, I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. And it came to pass through the lightness of her *****dom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks. And yet for all this her treacherous sisterJudah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the Lord.”

    And again, Jeremiah 5:7-8:

    “How shall I pardon thee for this? Thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots’ houses. They were as fed horses in the morning: every one neighed after his neighbor’s wife.”

    And now listen to Jesus rebuking the Israelites of his day in Matthew 23:25-33:

    “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye are like unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchers of the righteous and say: ‘If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’ Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the ****ation of hell?”

    Can any sensible reader accuse God or His prophet here of hating Jews and Christians in the above verses? If not, how then can we point a finger at God, claiming He hates Jews and Christians in the Qur’an when He is rebuking the transgressors among the Children of Israel?

    The approach of the Qur’an is clear: God admonishes the People of the Book, those people who were given scriptures, to return to their Books. We find that on many occasions, the doctors of the old religions have distorted the scripture for their own selfish purposes. So God admonishes them and warns them of the impending punishments awaiting them. We read in Jeremiah 8:8: “How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.”

    Here the Prophet Jeremiah scolds those of the Children of Israel who made the Book of God false even by the use of a pen that distorts.

    We see the same idea in the Qur’an too, where God scolds those people of the Book who wrote their own verses in the Book of God and called them God’s. Can we say that God is being deliberately anti-Jewish here?

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    Re: Non-Muslim Reading the Qur'an

    Does the Quran Hate People of the Book? -2


    Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, a renowned American Muslim scholar, writes on this topic saying:


    “Taking a few passages from the Qur’an out of proper historical and textual context will not give a proper understanding of the religious scripture. This is not only true of the Qur’an but also of the Bible. Many passages from the Bible also criticize the Jews. Read the Hebrew Bible, particularly Micah 3:1-12 and Hosea 8:1-14, in which these prophets condemned the Jews who ‘abhor justice and pervert all equity’ and who ‘build Zion with blood and Jerusalem with wrong.’

    These prophets cursed Israel as a “useless vessel among nations” and called for the curse of God to “send a fire upon his [ Judah’s] cities” (Hosea 8:14) , and to make Jerusalem into “ruinous heaps” ( Isaiah 37:26 ). Prophet Ezekiel called Israel “a rebellious nation.” (Ezekiel 2:3).

    Similarly, in the Book of Deuteronomy Moses warns the Jews that God “will send upon you curses, confusion, and frustration in all that you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and perish quickly, on account of the evil of your doings, because you have forsaken me” (28:20).

    Now, read the following verses of the Qur’an, and judge for yourself whether God is attacking Judaism, when He says in the Qur’an what means:

    *{O Children of Israel! Call to mind the [special] favor which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill your covenant with Me as I shall fulfill My covenant with you, and fear none but Me.}* (Al-Baqarah 2:40)

    And then:

    *{O Children of Israel! Call to mind the [special] favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all others [for My message].}* (Al-Baqarah 2:47)

    Then also:

    *{And remember We took a covenant from the Children of Israel [to this effect]: Worship none but Allah; treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need; speak fair to the people; be steadfast in prayer; and give zakah. Then did ye turn back, except a few among you, and ye backslide [even now].}* (Al-Baqarah 2:83)

    Also read:

    *{We took the covenant of the Children of Israel and sent them messengers, every time, there came to them a messenger with what they themselves desired not—some [of these] they called impostors, and some they [go so far as to] slay.}* (Al-Ma’idah 5:70)

    You can even read much more if you go to Surah 5, verse 78; Surah 7, verse 137; Surah 10, verse 93; and Surah 17, verse 2.
    It is evident from the above verses how God views the Children of Israel in general. This attitude of the Qur’an is in keeping with its stand towards all humans, as it shows when it says what means:

    *{O people, We have created you from a male and a female and made you into races and tribes so that you may know each other. Indeed the noblest of you in the sight of God are those who are the most pious among you. And Allah knows every thing and is aware of every thing.}* (Al-Hujurat 49:13)

    The above passages make it clear that Muslims cannot use them to justify any acts of hatred or injustice against Jews or Christians because the contexts in which these verses were revealed rule out that possibility. Also because they should be well aware that the same judgment of God awaits Muslims too, if they also transgress. God has no chosen people, except those who fulfill His justice and obey Him with piety and are merciful to all His creation.

    The Qur’an was not just revealed for Muslims, but for all people, including Jews and Christians. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was in the line of previous prophets of God, including Prophets Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. And, in fact, the Qur’an is the culmination of all the previous scriptures revealed by God.

    The Qur’an does not condemn the Semitic race; in fact it accords Jews a special status, given their shared prophetic traditions with Islam.
    The Qur’an criticizes only those Jews and Christians who turned away from God’s authentic message and admonishes those who scorned and ridiculed Prophet Muhammad and the message of the Qur’an. And what is more, the Qur’an specifically notes that such criticism is not directed against all Jews. You often see the expression *{among them there are some...}* placed before such criticisms, so that the good are not condemned along with the bad.

    From the Qur’anic point of view, the Jews are descendants of Prophet Abraham, through his son Isaac and grandson Jacob. They were chosen by God for a mission (Qur’an 44:32), and God raised among them many prophets and bestowed upon them what He had not bestowed upon many others (Qur’an 5:20). He exalted them over other nations of the earth (Qur’an 2:47, 122) and granted them many favors.

    The Qur’an categorically says that good people are assured of their reward with God (Surah 3, verses 113-115). It further says in Surah 7, verses 159 and 168–170, that among the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth. Among them, there are some who are righteous and some who are the opposite. The verses also state that the Creator has tried them with both prosperity and adversity in order that they might turn [to Him]. As to those who hold fast by the Book and establish regular prayer, the verses clarify that they never shall suffer.

    Thus it is clear that Muslims have no business to oppose Jewish people or Christians, as such. In fact, Muslims must give special respect to them as People of the Book. Originally, the prophets whom they consider as theirs are equally revered by Muslims.

    Both Jews and Arabs are the Children of Abraham (Ibrahim – peace be on him). Jews descended from his second son Isaac (Ishaq – peace be upon him) and Arabs from the first son Ishmael (Isma`eel – peace be upon him). Thus, Jews and Arabs are brothers, though the racism that has crept into the perception of some Jews would deny this brotherhood. To Moses (Musa – peace be upon him) God Almighty revealed the divine scripture known as the Tawrah (Torah) as He revealed to Jesus (`Isa – peace be upon him), the divine scripture called the Injil (Gospel).

    Completing the progressive revelation of divine guidance to man, God finally revealed the Noble Qur’an to the Final Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him). All these prophets were the prophets of God and the religion they taught was basically the same religion from God, namely Islam (peaceful submission to God).
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    Re: Non-Muslim Reading the Qur'an

    Quote Originally Posted by HappyMuslimaa View Post
    Mashallah
    Would like to point out that these are the words of Allah, unless you are referring to 'the author' as the translator.

    I read very quickly as well so I can relate, however I would say pace yourself with reading one surah at a time and find tafsir for that surah to read as well if you wish to continue. That way you can absorb the information 'more effectively. Towards the end the surahs are noticeable shorter, with those you could probably manage more for a Buck.
    Best of luck
    Greetings,

    Thanks for your advice.

    I agree that guidance by Tafsir (I had to look up the word) is usually best when studying a new book. But I sometimes wade into pure source material without consulting other academic interpretations, so I can first form my own ideas of it. I intend to supplement my studies of the Quar'an with studies of commentary along with in-person discussion with an iman.

    Thanks,

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    Re: Non-Muslim Reading the Qur'an

    I believe prophet Shuaib is Jethro.

    On the Adam and Eve story, I read somewhere that when they went against Allah's orders (whether by eating or whatever the deed was), they became exposed as a sure sign that they have erred. They immediately repented. And Allah forgave them and again reminded them that syaitan is they're avowed enemy.

    Another 'fine' point, it should also be highlighted that the word 'day' as in the creation story, can also mean 'period'. So the world was created in Six periods as opposed to days..

    Is there anything else I left out?..

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    Re: Non-Muslim Reading the Qur'an

    Greenhill,

    Thanks for partial answers to my questions! Gives me more to look into.

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    Re: Non-Muslim Reading the Qur'an

    Quote Originally Posted by DanEdge View Post
    One last thing,

    My response to MIA was arrogant, sarcastic, and inappropriate, and I apologize for the disrespectful post.

    Sincerely,

    --Dan Edge

    Lol, be true to yourself. The last thing you need is to trade your personality in a quest to please others..

    No apology necessary.
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    Moses and the Tablets:

    I was doing to some research to find out what was on the Tablets given to Moses. Another Islam-related site website states that the Tablets likely contain the Ten Commandments, the evidence for which is in verses 6:151-152. On first reading, I didn't recognize the correlation between these verses and the Commandments, but upon review it's more clear. Is there a consensus among Muslims on this matter? Are the Tablets given to Moses the Ten Commandments as listed in the Torah? Or is it left open that the Tablets contain more or less information than that? Very interesting.

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    On the tablets were the criterion for judgement source: quran 21:48

    It does not specify what was on the tablets. If I find another ayat or source for you I will posit it
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    Jihad in Surah Al-Baqarah:

    I'd like to further unpack versus 190-194 in this Surah. Parts of this are often quoted by Americans as proof of a violent nature in Islam. My first reading lead me to the opposite impression. But to look at it further...

    190. And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.

    The obvious question here is: What are the limits? There are a few limits proposed in the proceeding versus, but I do not assume that to be an exhaustive list. I'll look into this more.

    191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

    Had to look up Al-Fitnah. Wiki gives several definitions, but here I'm assuming it must mean religious persecution. Does this verse imply that Muslims have been turned out of their homes/homeland because of their religion? If so, one can't blame them for fighting back, even on Holy Ground. No one wants to kill on Holy Ground, but if the enemy comes there to attack you first, it is OK to kill them. No problem here either.

    192. But if they cease, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    Does this mean that you should stop killing on Holy Ground if the enemy stops? Or stop fighting altogether if the enemy seeks overall peace? I'm guessing the latter because of the context of this discussion along with later Surahs. More study needed.

    193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun.

    Keep fighting until the fight is done, until the religious persecution ceases... and until worship of Allah is allowed in Muslim lands? Or fight until everyone in Muslim lands worships only Allah? And if the enemy seeks peace, don't fight unless... What? Az-zalimun also has several meanings, according to the all-mighty internet. Do you fight the enemy if he continues to practice polytheism? Or just until he ceases to engage in oppressive activity. Here again, based on the context, I think the latter interpretation is most likely the true one.

    194. The sacred month is for the sacred month, and for the prohibited things, there is the Law of Equality (Qisas). Then whoever transgresses the prohibition against you, you transgress likewise against him. And fear Allah, and know that Allah is with Al-Muttaqun.

    This verse contains too many things I don't know about for me to unpack right now. Leads to more questions. However, I believe my first impression of the verses here make sense, and that this Surah is incorrectly referenced as an encouragement for terrorism.

    Sincerely,

    --Dan Edge
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanEdge View Post
    Jihad in Surah Al-Baqarah:

    I'd like to further unpack versus 190-194 in this Surah. Parts of this are often quoted by Americans as proof of a violent nature in Islam. My first reading lead me to the opposite impression. But to look at it further...

    190. And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.

    The obvious question here is: What are the limits? There are a few limits proposed in the proceeding versus, but I do not assume that to be an exhaustive list. I'll look into this more.

    191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

    Had to look up Al-Fitnah. Wiki gives several definitions, but here I'm assuming it must mean religious persecution. Does this verse imply that Muslims have been turned out of their homes/homeland because of their religion? If so, one can't blame them for fighting back, even on Holy Ground. No one wants to kill on Holy Ground, but if the enemy comes there to attack you first, it is OK to kill them. No problem here either.

    192. But if they cease, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    Does this mean that you should stop killing on Holy Ground if the enemy stops? Or stop fighting altogether if the enemy seeks overall peace? I'm guessing the latter because of the context of this discussion along with later Surahs. More study needed.

    193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun.

    Keep fighting until the fight is done, until the religious persecution ceases... and until worship of Allah is allowed in Muslim lands? Or fight until everyone in Muslim lands worships only Allah? And if the enemy seeks peace, don't fight unless... What? Az-zalimun also has several meanings, according to the all-mighty internet. Do you fight the enemy if he continues to practice polytheism? Or just until he ceases to engage in oppressive activity. Here again, based on the context, I think the latter interpretation is most likely the true one.

    194. The sacred month is for the sacred month, and for the prohibited things, there is the Law of Equality (Qisas). Then whoever transgresses the prohibition against you, you transgress likewise against him. And fear Allah, and know that Allah is with Al-Muttaqun.

    This verse contains too many things I don't know about for me to unpack right now. Leads to more questions. However, I believe my first impression of the verses here make sense, and that this Surah is incorrectly referenced as an encouragement for terrorism.

    Sincerely,

    --Dan Edge
    These verses refer to a time when the Muslims were being ruthlessly attacked and killed after being forced from makkah . it is a medinan surah. Fitnah is best described as instigating. They are being given terms on which to defend and protect themselves even if it comes to being offensiveness. They may fight back at the same level that they are being attacked, but not to go back on the Islamic ways that Muhammad pbuh has taught us and that Allah swt has prescribed to us .Makkah, or around the Kaba is a holy place where fighting is forbidden. Allah swt says they may fight/defend themselves if they come in mass and they have no choice but to fight . This will be their fate. Az-zalimun are the oppressors. Hope I at least partially cleared some things up

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