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    Should I be killed?

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    Recently, I created a GIF image, with a stick figure and a speech balloon. The speech balloon read, "If you think I'm Muhammad, I'm not. If you don't think so, then I am. So am I or am I not Muhammad?". (If you wish to see it, it is currently hosted at the Friendly Atheist blog, which you can easily find with Google.)

    It can be reasonably argued that this stick-figure is an image of Muhammad. (It can also be reasonably argued that it is not; raising that reasonable argument, about figuring out what is an image of Muhammad or not, was the main point of this image.)

    Do you think that an appropriate response to my having created and publicized this picture is for somebody to try to kill me?
    Should I be killed?

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    Re: Should I be killed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by DataPacRat View Post

    Do you think that an appropriate response to my having created and publicized this picture is for somebody to try to kill me?
    Yes without any doubt.
    Should I be killed?

    Then how can you avoid the punishment, if you disbelieve, on a Day that will make the children grey-headed?
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    Re: Should I be killed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf View Post
    Yes without any doubt.
    Are you intending to attempt my murder personally, to assist somebody else in murdering me (such as by contributing to a reward for my death, or advertising that I should be killed), or is this "without any doubt" just words lacking any actual action, like "without any doubt, all people should be nice to each other"?
    Should I be killed?

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    Re: Should I be killed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by DataPacRat View Post
    Recently, I created a GIF image, with a stick figure and a speech balloon. The speech balloon read, "If you think I'm Muhammad, I'm not. If you don't think so, then I am. So am I or am I not Muhammad?". (If you wish to see it, it is currently hosted at the Friendly Atheist blog, which you can easily find with Google.)

    It can be reasonably argued that this stick-figure is an image of Muhammad. (It can also be reasonably argued that it is not; raising that reasonable argument, about figuring out what is an image of Muhammad or not, was the main point of this image.)

    Do you think that an appropriate response to my having created and publicized this picture is for somebody to try to kill me?
    How old are you? 12?

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    Re: Should I be killed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Ibn Yus View Post
    How old are you? 12?
    I was born in 1976.
    Should I be killed?

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    Re: Should I be killed?

    This thread is pathetic, as pathetic as the one made on Ummah forum, http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...ld-I-be-killed

    What is he trying to do, compile a list of all those who say he should be killed? Pfft take yourself and your drawing elsewhere, we have no time for it.
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    Re: Should I be killed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by DataPacRat View Post
    I was born in 1976.
    How many Muslims do you really know?

    Would it be true to say that all the Muslims you know are from TV?

    If so - don't you feel ashamed insulting people like that just on the
    basis of some foolish propaganda you see on television?

    And then also to present yourself as enlightened...

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    Re: Should I be killed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by DataPacRat View Post
    Recently, I created a GIF image, with a stick figure and a speech balloon. The speech balloon read, "If you think I'm Muhammad, I'm not. If you don't think so, then I am. So am I or am I not Muhammad?". (If you wish to see it, it is currently hosted at the Friendly Atheist blog, which you can easily find with Google.)

    It can be reasonably argued that this stick-figure is an image of Muhammad. (It can also be reasonably argued that it is not; raising that reasonable argument, about figuring out what is an image of Muhammad or not, was the main point of this image.)

    Do you think that an appropriate response to my having created and publicized this picture is for somebody to try to kill me?
    If you were to draw an Image of the Beloved Prophet Muhammad (saw), what point are you exactly trying to make? To show you hate muslims? or to show you love them?

    Why exactly are you making a GIF pic or whatever, with speech bubbles and it saying that? what point are you trying to make?
    Should I be killed?

    "Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), Al-Hayyul-Qayyum (the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists).".."[Al Qur'aan 3:2]

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    Re: Should I be killed?

    Yes. AVADA KEDAVRA!

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    Re: Should I be killed?

    Why is everyone replying to this idiot? He's just trying to get a rise out of someone. Personally I think the thread should be closed since the answer to his question has been posted in all the other threads dealing with this topic.

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    Re: Should I be killed?

    I think you shouldnt be making Gifs on Prophets, rather do some research
    Good luck with what you may achieve with your GIF Pic, just cause more hate
    If thats what you like carry on, if not then leave it, for its better for you!
    Should I be killed?

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    Re: Should I be killed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Ibn Yus View Post
    How many Muslims do you really know?
    Does anybody /really/ know anyone else?

    But for the standard meaning of the question - more than one.

    Would it be true to say that all the Muslims you know are from TV?
    No.

    If so - don't you feel ashamed insulting people like that just on the
    basis of some foolish propaganda you see on television?

    And then also to present yourself as enlightened...
    Do you really think that my drawing is that insulting?
    Should I be killed?

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    Re: Should I be killed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim World 12 View Post
    If you were to draw an Image of the Beloved Prophet Muhammad (saw), what point are you exactly trying to make? To show you hate muslims? or to show you love them?

    Why exactly are you making a GIF pic or whatever, with speech bubbles and it saying that? what point are you trying to make?
    The point of the particular image I raised was to deal with the idea of 'meta-'. According to the rules described in the speech balloon, is the stick-figure actually an image of Muhammad or not? If yes, then no; but if no, then yes. It's an updated version of the old puzzler, "The following sentence is true. The preceding sentence is false."

    Except that if it /is/ true, then, apparently, some people want to kill me, which raises the stakes just a little.
    Should I be killed?

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    Re: Should I be killed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by DataPacRat View Post
    Does anybody /really/ know anyone else?
    Yes, he does. A man knows his wife, his family, children, parents and
    community.

    It is only in western society were people are so poor and lonely.

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    Re: Should I be killed?

    I scrolled down and saw all of them. Some of them were purposely offensive, however, most were not. The only one I found mildly amusing (and I stress the word mildly) was the one with the Pope in. Other than that, seemed like a waste of everybody's time.

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    Re: Should I be killed?

    Salaam/Peace

    why are u provoking Muslims ?
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    Re: Should I be killed?

    heh!!

    MAN!!! you got so much free time in your hand!! Cant you spent it in any better thing than this?

    people these days!!!
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    Re: Should I be killed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman View Post
    Salaam/Peace

    why are u provoking Muslims ?
    I'm not trying to provoke Muslims; I'm trying to communicate with them. Some Muslims, unfortunately, interpret such questions as provocation, and make death threats in response - and sometimes carry them out.

    If one takes the words in my image at face value, then it is literally impossible to say whether it is an image of Muhammad or not - it is neither true nor false that it is of Muhammad, and it is both true /and/ false at the same time. It's a paradox, unresolvable. And yet, even when it is just as false as it is true that the stick-figure is an image of Muhammad, some Muslims have said that I should be killed for having created it.

    If somebody /does/ actually try to carry out murderous intentions towards me... I can think of a lot less interesting ways to die than as the result of posing a logical paradox. (I'm still planning on living forever or dying trying, of course, but I think you can tell what I mean.)
    Should I be killed?

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    Re: Should I be killed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Danah View Post
    heh!!

    MAN!!! you got so much free time in your hand!! Cant you spent it in any better thing than this?
    I'm multi-tasking.
    Should I be killed?

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    Re: Should I be killed?

    Useless threads get locked.

    Repeat offenders get banned.
    Should I be killed?

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