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    Addressing worshipers during his sermon after Friday’s prayers, Tehran's Interim Friday Prayers Leader Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati said that Israel’s ongoing efforts to destroy Al Aqsa Mosque are the result of the silence of Muslim states who have so far failed to confront Israel.

    "They destroy the first Keble of Muslims while they are surrounded by half a billion Muslims, and Muslims waited and observe how the al-Aqsa was destroyed without showing any action," Jannati told a large congregation of worshipers on Tehran University campus yesterday.

    The cleric further warned against the enemy’s plot to sow hatred and conflict between the Shias and Sunnis, adding that such plots endanger the entire Muslim world and the unity of the Muslim Ummah, as they would push the world Muslims into civil war.

    Yesterday witnessed one of the fiercest clashes between Palestinians and Israeli police that took place at the Holy Al Aqsa mosque in recent years.

    At the yard of the holy mosque, Israeli occupation soldiers and policemen stormed the mosque before thousands of them coiled it before using stun grenades and tear gas canisters that were fired at the Muslim worshippers.

    Palestinians began throwing stones and shoes and the occupation soldiers.

    The Israeli authorities deployed 3,000 additional policemen in the vicinity of the holy mosque and old town to quell possible demonstrations by Palestinians protesting recent excavation works by the Israeli authorities at the Magharba Gate of the Old City, which leads to the Aqsa Mosque Compound.

    50 Palestinians were wounded in the Israeli attacks yesterday at the holy mosque, said Adnan Al Hussinei, director of Jerusalem's endowment.

    Also 17 Muslim worshippers were reportedly arrested by the Israeli police.

    The raid by Israeli forces at Al Aqsa mosque, came almost before worshipers finished Friday prayers, Mohammed Hussein, the top Muslim cleric in Jerusalem told Al Ayam newspaper.

    " Muslim worshipper had barely finished their prayer when we heard the sound of firing stun grenades, tear gas canisters and rubber coated steel bullets towards the worshippers at the yards of Al Aqsa mosque then afterwards large troops stormed into yard, the worshippers run into the mosque to seek shield, " Hussein added.

    Malaysia issued an official condemnation of Israel’s actions on Saturday, saying that the excavation work at Al Aqsa mosque hurts peace efforts.

    Malaysia's foreign ministry issued a statement accusing Israel of deliberately destroying religious, cultural and heritage sites in the occupied Palestinian territories, and of direct aggression toward Al Aqsa mosque.

    "We denounce this blatant act of provocation and the complete disregard for the sanctity of the holy mosque, this act will ignite the feelings of Muslims all over the world and is in fact a retrogressive step in the efforts to achieve peace in the region " the statement said.

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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    How is replacing a ramp the "destruction" of a Mosque? This wasn't an act of "Israeli aggression", it was a mob hurling stones.
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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    okay what exactly has happened?and what has been destroyed?
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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi View Post
    How is replacing a ramp the "destruction" of a Mosque? This wasn't an act of "Israeli aggression", it was a mob hurling stones.
    It's not, but the Muslims are very sensitive about the security of the mosque and the Jews aren't being very up-front in their efforts, which doesn't help. It's not just the replacement of a ramp, but it's only fair to replace what they destroy.

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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    format_quote Originally Posted by Ninth_Scribe View Post
    It's not, but the Muslims are very sensitive about the security of the mosque and the Jews aren't being very up-front in their efforts, which doesn't help. It's not just the replacement of a ramp, but it's only fair to replace what they destroy.

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    Clearly the muslims are very sensitive, but what is the reason that caused you to state that the jews are not being up-front about their efforts (other than muslims claiming so)? I have not been able to find evidence of this, I have tried to find if this claim is true. A link perhaps, if you don't mind. I like to get all information for the 'big picture'. Thanks.

    So far, my understanding is that the ramp is becoming unsafe and needs renovation, and the muslims are upset at what might happen during renovation.
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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    format_quote Originally Posted by sonz View Post
    Addressing worshipers during his sermon after Friday’s prayers, Tehran's Interim Friday Prayers Leader Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati said that Israel’s ongoing efforts to destroy Al Aqsa Mosque are the result of the silence of Muslim states who have so far failed to confront Israel.

    "They destroy the first Keble of Muslims while they are surrounded by half a billion Muslims, and Muslims waited and observe how the al-Aqsa was destroyed without showing any action," Jannati told a large congregation of worshipers on Tehran University campus yesterday.

    The cleric further warned against the enemy’s plot to sow hatred and conflict between the Shias and Sunnis, adding that such plots endanger the entire Muslim world and the unity of the Muslim Ummah, as they would push the world Muslims into civil war.

    Yesterday witnessed one of the fiercest clashes between Palestinians and Israeli police that took place at the Holy Al Aqsa mosque in recent years.

    At the yard of the holy mosque, Israeli occupation soldiers and policemen stormed the mosque before thousands of them coiled it before using stun grenades and tear gas canisters that were fired at the Muslim worshippers.

    Palestinians began throwing stones and shoes and the occupation soldiers.

    The Israeli authorities deployed 3,000 additional policemen in the vicinity of the holy mosque and old town to quell possible demonstrations by Palestinians protesting recent excavation works by the Israeli authorities at the Magharba Gate of the Old City, which leads to the Aqsa Mosque Compound.

    50 Palestinians were wounded in the Israeli attacks yesterday at the holy mosque, said Adnan Al Hussinei, director of Jerusalem's endowment.

    Also 17 Muslim worshippers were reportedly arrested by the Israeli police.

    The raid by Israeli forces at Al Aqsa mosque, came almost before worshipers finished Friday prayers, Mohammed Hussein, the top Muslim cleric in Jerusalem told Al Ayam newspaper.

    " Muslim worshipper had barely finished their prayer when we heard the sound of firing stun grenades, tear gas canisters and rubber coated steel bullets towards the worshippers at the yards of Al Aqsa mosque then afterwards large troops stormed into yard, the worshippers run into the mosque to seek shield, " Hussein added.

    Malaysia issued an official condemnation of Israel’s actions on Saturday, saying that the excavation work at Al Aqsa mosque hurts peace efforts.

    Malaysia's foreign ministry issued a statement accusing Israel of deliberately destroying religious, cultural and heritage sites in the occupied Palestinian territories, and of direct aggression toward Al Aqsa mosque.

    "We denounce this blatant act of provocation and the complete disregard for the sanctity of the holy mosque, this act will ignite the feelings of Muslims all over the world and is in fact a retrogressive step in the efforts to achieve peace in the region " the statement said.

    -- AJP and agencies
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    u are right
    this also shows how muslims are weak
    many are talking of jihaad while such a small case cannot be resolved
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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    format_quote Originally Posted by zaki.aumeerudy View Post
    as salaamu alikum
    u are right
    this also shows how muslims are weak
    many are talking of jihaad while such a small case cannot be resolved
    What if the case is making a big deal of nothing? If the ramp needs renovation to make it safe, and muslims are concerned that damage will be done to their interests because of the close proximity, then perhaps a different approach is required. What I mean is this; the israelis are used to violent protests from the palestinians about all issues. They are unlikely to listen. If a constructive approach is used, such as a political solution, in which a muslim engineer/cunsultant is proposed to oversee the project, then they would more inclined to listen.
    This would get better results than just saying "no renovations at all". It also would make any future renovations needed for muslim interests be met with reduced protests from jews. It's called co-operation.
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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    I found this link, it has a map of where the construction is.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17062810
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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    format_quote Originally Posted by sonz View Post
    Addressing worshipers during his sermon after Friday’s prayers, Tehran's Interim Friday Prayers Leader Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati said that Israel’s ongoing efforts to destroy Al Aqsa Mosque are the result of the silence of Muslim states who have so far failed to confront Israel.

    "They destroy the first Keble of Muslims while they are surrounded by half a billion Muslims, and Muslims waited and observe how the al-Aqsa was destroyed without showing any action," Jannati told a large congregation of worshipers on Tehran University campus yesterday.

    The cleric further warned against the enemy’s plot to sow hatred and conflict between the Shias and Sunnis, adding that such plots endanger the entire Muslim world and the unity of the Muslim Ummah, as they would push the world Muslims into civil war.

    Yesterday witnessed one of the fiercest clashes between Palestinians and Israeli police that took place at the Holy Al Aqsa mosque in recent years.

    At the yard of the holy mosque, Israeli occupation soldiers and policemen stormed the mosque before thousands of them coiled it before using stun grenades and tear gas canisters that were fired at the Muslim worshippers.

    Palestinians began throwing stones and shoes and the occupation soldiers.

    The Israeli authorities deployed 3,000 additional policemen in the vicinity of the holy mosque and old town to quell possible demonstrations by Palestinians protesting recent excavation works by the Israeli authorities at the Magharba Gate of the Old City, which leads to the Aqsa Mosque Compound.

    50 Palestinians were wounded in the Israeli attacks yesterday at the holy mosque, said Adnan Al Hussinei, director of Jerusalem's endowment.

    Also 17 Muslim worshippers were reportedly arrested by the Israeli police.

    The raid by Israeli forces at Al Aqsa mosque, came almost before worshipers finished Friday prayers, Mohammed Hussein, the top Muslim cleric in Jerusalem told Al Ayam newspaper.

    " Muslim worshipper had barely finished their prayer when we heard the sound of firing stun grenades, tear gas canisters and rubber coated steel bullets towards the worshippers at the yards of Al Aqsa mosque then afterwards large troops stormed into yard, the worshippers run into the mosque to seek shield, " Hussein added.

    Malaysia issued an official condemnation of Israel’s actions on Saturday, saying that the excavation work at Al Aqsa mosque hurts peace efforts.

    Malaysia's foreign ministry issued a statement accusing Israel of deliberately destroying religious, cultural and heritage sites in the occupied Palestinian territories, and of direct aggression toward Al Aqsa mosque.

    "We denounce this blatant act of provocation and the complete disregard for the sanctity of the holy mosque, this act will ignite the feelings of Muslims all over the world and is in fact a retrogressive step in the efforts to achieve peace in the region " the statement said.

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    in 40 years of war we are still in a dead end
    there are some solutions
    1: all muslims leave the country i.e palestine
    2: jihaad like in afghanistaan against Russia
    3:stop all and continue to suffer
    4: use same strategy when israel enters lebanon

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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    format_quote Originally Posted by SilentObserver View Post
    but what is the reason that caused you to state that the jews are not being up-front about their efforts (other than muslims claiming so)?
    Something I found a couple years back that named the location they happen to be digging at.... Perhaps. I'm not entirely clear on that. I'm checking the location now to be sure it's an exact match. If it's what I think it is, it's not a big deal. They could have had the Muslims do this for them, but there are acusations that the Muslims have not been fair when it comes to returning items of antiquity. I'm pulling the data now... will let you know.

    Flash Update: My bad. It is not the same location... and King Abdullah of Jordon is really pissed off.

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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    It just seems to me that some muslim leaders are being irresponsible and stirring anger just to cause trouble. The Israelis have promised to not cause any damage to the compound which is 60 yards away. Thats 55 meters. Honestly, I think the muslim leaders are being unreasonable here. My more cynical side says they are being more than unreasonable, they are looking for something to 'stir the pot' about.

    “The aggression happening now is a tragedy, a crime,” Raed Salah, a leader of the Islamic Movement in Israel, told The Associated Press. He accused Israel of declaring “a regional religious war.”
    These words are chosen to stir anger and hatred. It is a 'crime' to do work 55 meters(even further away is the mosque) away from the compound?

    On Thursday, U.N. ambassadors from the 57-member Organization of the Islamic Conference called on the U.N. Security Council “to take immediate and urgent action in order to bring an end to Israeli intransigence and violations against the blessed Al Aqsa mosque.”
    Again, irresponsible and misleading. There are no violations against the mosque. The compound itself is 55 meters away. The work will not affect the mosque.
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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    The work being done is 60 yards away. Stop freaking out guys. Scared we may find some Jewish history when digging? :rolleyes:
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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    format_quote Originally Posted by SilentObserver View Post
    There are no violations against the mosque. The compound itself is 55 meters away. The work will not affect the mosque.
    Beats head onto table... why couldn't they just sit down and discuss this first? There's a very nagging question here, because there is no real reason I can see why the people at Al Aqsa couldn't do this work themselves. So the new question is: Why didn't the Israelis just ask them to?

    Does anyone know if meetings concerning this project were held in advance?

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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    format_quote Originally Posted by IzakHalevas View Post
    The work being done is 60 yards away. Stop freaking out guys. Scared we may find some Jewish history when digging? :rolleyes:
    That would actually be very cool... but I'm putting my money in the Judean desert

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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    format_quote Originally Posted by IzakHalevas View Post
    The work being done is 60 yards away. Stop freaking out guys. Scared we may find some Jewish history when digging? :rolleyes:
    Are you telling me that the complex is of no intrest to the jews? I dont think so, the destruction of the Al-Aqsa Masjid is somthing that many of you's want and are planning for it as well.
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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    http://www.aqsa.org.uk/leafletsdetails.aspx?id=20

    Check this link out and tell me that the ultimate destruction of the Masjid is not the aims of certain Jews? It should be stated that this is an issue that will not only have reprecution is that Arab/Muslim world but in the far easter region as well.
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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    format_quote Originally Posted by SATalha View Post
    http://www.aqsa.org.uk/leafletsdetails.aspx?id=20

    Check this link out and tell me that the ultimate destruction of the Masjid is not the aims of certain Jews? It should be stated that this is an issue that will not only have reprecution is that Arab/Muslim world but in the far easter region as well.
    As far as I can tell this is about the current project to rebuild the ramp, not "the aim of certain Jews"
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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    The ramp is just one part of the project. It will continue with more building work. Its a very dangerous game they are playing, Muslims are not dumb we can see the long term goals of the Isrealis.
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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    format_quote Originally Posted by SATalha View Post
    Are you telling me that the complex is of no intrest to the jews? I dont think so, the destruction of the Al-Aqsa Masjid is somthing that many of you's want and are planning for it as well.
    No we are not. We know when the Moshiach comes he will rebuild the Holy Temple, but we can not do this without him, and when he comes, we believe you will know the truth then, and not care what he does!

    The ramp is just one part of the project. It will continue with more building work. Its a very dangerous game they are playing, Muslims are not dumb we can see the long term goals of the Isrealis.
    No it is not "one part" of anything. It was damaged, and new one was needed. Not a big deal.
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    Re: Destruction of Al Aqsa Mosque: Result of silence over Israeli crimes

    The ramp they are rebuilding is outside the compound and has nothing to do with the Mosque. Everything inside the compound is controlled by the Waqf.

    Those who are spreading conspiracy theories and trying to stir up violence over this construction are playing a more dangerous game
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