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    Rememeber Somalia has a right to have an Islamic court that is their affair it is 100% Muslim. Further more they final have more peace with the new courts than ever before. People use to all need guns and bodyguards--NO MORE! thats my 2cents on Somalia, Ethiopia kisses to everything America says, they offered themselves to USA to launch an attack on Iraq, What did iraq do to Ethiopia? That governement is worst than the Derg. They are a wicked rule that starve their people and the politicians send their children to US schools, and that country is so poor because of them. All kinds of "Anti-terror" checks at the airport, all data goes back to America.


    ETHIOPIA IN THE POCKET OF AMERICA
    With all the famine and starvation, deforestation and poverty in one of the world poorest countries, we find the government has the funds to wage a pointless war on both of its borders. Just what Africa needs--another war. We can blame the West who clearly are at the root of it but don’t we have a brain of our own? Ethiopia has supported every single war campaign from Afghanistan to Iraq II. It is beyond logic that the leadership of this country could have a deal with the West so sweet that it worth killing its own people. Destroying lives as opposed to spending money on roads, diversifying crops, housing the Borque but instead it is spent on a war against another poor nation. Sympathy for Ethiopia slips, but we must remember something, it is not Ethiopian people fighting the war it is the dictatorship under the rouse of a democratic government that is doing that. First came the denial, that it had aggressive intentions on Somalia, the world was left to believe Somali's Islamic government was "paranoid"--then came the attack! Warmongers always have excuses; offensive war gets a coat of paint and becomes "protecting sovereignty." The war on Islam has to be seen for what it is. If America cant get political support to drop bombs on Somalia well then send in Ethiopia. We need to remember without bias the reforms the Islamic courts have brought to Somalia, but reforms and Peace have never been part of the solution for Africa. Even the British Media has commented on the progress and peace these Islamic courts have brought to Somalia.
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    Muslims are turning a blind eye to this matter. This is an open declaration of crusades agiasnt the muslims. American government is filled with liars their president the top liar. Who himself said islam was not the enemy yet he cant stand shariah. May Allah S.W.T. give victory to the mujahideen and guide the enemies of islam or destory them. Ameen
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    i pray for peace, but Malcolm X did say "be peaceful with those who are peaceful with you"
    I hate war but Somalia needs help with this threat to its soverignity and clearly America funded the war, but they wouldnt fund ending poverty in Ethiopia, clearly The So-called Muslim nations are just as corrupt. And may be us to because if its Muslim Africans it tends not to draw much attention
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    The Geneocide in Gujarat, India was completely ignored. Chencny is always ignored Kashmir. Its not just africa even though i did realize that many muslims care much more if Ethopia was invading any arab country. as if arabs were superior to us non arab muslims.
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    true but you know what as long as we still get to keep our US passports and eat at mcdonals and watch Jews in Hollywood why should we get involved. Let God take care of it, Islam means peace. To add the Jews in USA did the same thing during the Holocaust i heard. We are a nation of sick people. Do you know they (our leadership mosque and otherwise) actively curb any vocalization about global oppression. I was in a mosque they dont even mention it! We are wrong for wanting to fight back. We are terrorist for wanting to protect our homes. But we as an ummah have are too selfish we dont stand up or unify. Where is Saudi in this crisis, why didnt they help palestine? I am talking about the governement not the people. I see more White people against the war and more vocal against this madness than Muslims. Even HT they dont let come in the mosque.
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    Our problem is there is no khilafah. We have bunch of scholars telling compelety different things. Such as there are scholars that call mujahideen of Iraq Khawaraji which doesnt make sense. Since the Iraqi mujahideen are trying to kill Non muslims not muslims. The same scholars have said taliban was too extreme yet they dont speak out agiasnt there own government because it will lead to blood shed. Hmm so following islamic law has become extreme yet not follow Allahs law and working with allahs enemy is good we shouldnt speak out agiasnt these government since it will lead too bloodshed. All the truthful scholars are being put behind bars or not getting the chance of telling the truth to the ummah. Iraq was a very secular nation until the war came to them now they are fighting for shariah. Jihad has awaken the youths conscience but now most of them either become takfiri or been confused. Scholars need to be more clear and tell the truth even if it means there life in on the line. Inshallah soon we will get the truthful scholars until then we should pratice islam and try to avoid the scholars that confuse muslims. Ignorance will prevail at the end of times.
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    don't always blame the west.Washington just supported not encouraged I think.
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    American government has given complete support to Ethopia. Before Ethopia even considered it was america that was planing to deal with Islamist government. Then all of a sudden Ethopia comes with all the planes and everything and attacks Somali for no reason. No one is blaming west i am saying Ethopia as much responsible for the deads as American government.
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    From what I understand the Aircraft Ethiopia is using is all soviet made aircraft.


    In 1999, the ERAF bought ten MiG-29's after the Ethiopian Air Force bought Su-27's. The MiG-29's are probably flown and maintained by both Eritean, Russian and Ukrainian pilots and technician. In 2000 the ERAF bought eight Su-25's from Georgia, and six more MiG-29's from Moldavia. Unconfirmed reports mention that at least two MiG-29's were brought down by Ethiopian Flankers.

    Nowadays, Eritrea has received 6 Su-27 Flankers themselves. Other recent additions to the ERAF are four Mi-17's.

    The MiG-21's which were taken from the Ethiopian Air Force are believed to be no longer in service. The main airbase is Asmara AP, which is combined civil/military. At this moment, peace-keepers from different countries try to maintain the fragile peace over the disputed border. Other bases are Barentu, Mitsiwa and Aseb. Serials are sometimes worn with 'ERAF'in front of the digits, but not always.
    Source: http://www.scramble.nl/er.htm

    The US does not want the Soviets to get a foothold in the Mediterranian regions and the Soviets want the US out. The mediterranian is filled with US warships all with missiles aimed at Soviet targets. A russina presence would greatly hinder a US strike back at the Soviets if the soviets ever launch a nuclear attack against the US. The Mediterranian fleet is one big factor the US depends on to keep the Soiets at bay.
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    yep.all Christian states seem to be enthusiaistic about calling Islamists as terrorists and fight them.
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    Re: War In Africa Against Islam, Backed By Usa

    format_quote Originally Posted by Emir Aziz View Post
    yep.all Christian states seem to be enthusiaistic about calling Islamists as terrorists and fight them.
    The Official religion of the Soviet States is still Athism.

    Although the cold war is over for the most part and the Russian Empire has collapsed with the fall of communism, there is still tension between the US and the Soviet States.
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    Surah Al-Baqara

    11.And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only.
    12. Are not they indeed the mischief-makers? But they perceive not.

    It's common to have these type of situations, Allah swt told us what kind of people we're dealing with.
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    Re: War In Africa Against Islam, Backed By Usa

    format_quote Originally Posted by Emir Aziz View Post
    don't always blame the west.Washington just supported not encouraged I think.
    if a true muslim govt came to power in bangladesh and then US just said to india it was ok to invade bangladesh and occupy it, but didnt actually provide planes or troops would you say they have wronged your nation or not?
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    Re: War In Africa Against Islam, Backed By Usa

    format_quote Originally Posted by Islamicboy View Post
    American government has given complete support to Ethopia. Before Ethopia even considered it was america that was planing to deal with Islamist government. Then all of a sudden Ethopia comes with all the planes and everything and attacks Somali for no reason. No one is blaming west i am saying Ethopia as much responsible for the deads as American government.
    Sooner or later some parts of the the islamic world is going to have to stop blindly blaming America for everything (even if they are to blame for a lot of things!)

    It is bad news that Ethiopia got involved as a lot of civilians will get killed, but it was not for "no reason". Ethopian troops were there at the request of the provisional government (whether you approve of it or not) and were attacked by ICU forces trying to expand their territory into that still held by that faction. In other words the ICU was dumb enough to give the Ethiopians just the excuse they needed, and judging from the current rate of progress by Ethiopian troops they will pay a heavy price for that stupidity. The Ethiopian action has been "backed" (i.e in words only) by the African Union, as well.
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    Re: War In Africa Against Islam, Backed By Usa

    format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble View Post
    Sooner or later some parts of the the islamic world is going to have to stop blindly blaming America for everything (even if they are to blame for a lot of things!)

    It is bad news that Ethiopia got involved as a lot of civilians will get killed, but it was not for "no reason". Ethopian troops were there at the request of the provisional government (whether you approve of it or not) and were attacked by ICU forces trying to expand their territory into that still held by that faction. In other words the ICU was dumb enough to give the Ethiopians just the excuse they needed, and judging from the current rate of progress by Ethiopian troops they will pay a heavy price for that stupidity. The Ethiopian action has been "backed" (i.e in words only) by the African Union, as well.
    if someone is stood on the sideline telling someone else to fight, and backing them up with trade, intelligence etc then when i am finished with the first guy then guess what?

    i am gonna pretty cheesed off with his backers, and they are definetely off my eid card list to say the least and i might even go further than that.
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    It is clearly a war on Islam and still some of the people who call themseleves Muslim in the West tell us not to say that. Call it what it is. The democracy on offer is simple. Decide if you want to be eaten by the wolf or the fox, you can select anything you want from these two options. We are not free as soverign nations to select Islam as our system, lets face it. Somalia did it look what happened, Iran did it look what happened, Sudan tried then came Darfur, we need to wake up and unite on the idea that Islam.

    African Union is a puppet of the US what have they done for Africa? Did they stop rwanda, Darfur? the headquarters for the AU are in the same Ethiopia. Trust me Ethiopian people dont support this war, why would they 40% are Muslim.
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    "Gedi said foreign Muslim fighters had recently poured into Somalia, which he said confirmed the government's accusations that the Islamic courts movement was led by terrorists."

    By the way Gedi is suppose to be a Muslim, But to defend another Muslim is to be a terrorist am i wrong?
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    I still do not see it as a war on Islam. I see it as a war for control of the Mediterranian. The Mediterranian is a very key point between Russia and The US.

    This goes back to the days when open hostilities between Russia and the US looked imminent. The Mediterranian area would have been one of if not the major battle fields in a war between Russia and the US. The US needs the Mediterranian fleet to keep a strike force prepared for retalation against the Soviets. The soviets want it also, for the same reasons.

    This has nothing to do with oil, or Islam. It is all over the strategic location of the land. And the Mediterranian Sea.

    The reality is neraly every Nation that borders the Mediterranian is Muslim, so it is easy to believe this is a war against Islam.

    Throughout much of the World Muslims are either the controling government or live in peace within the country.
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    I should have added that some of the European countries are anti-Islam. But, most of the Western World is Tolerant of Muslims. The Muslims living in Canada, South America and the US live in Peace and face little if any discrimination.
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    Re: War In Africa Against Islam, Backed By Usa

    format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    I should have added that some of the European countries are anti-Islam. But, most of the Western World is Tolerant of Muslims. The Muslims living in Canada, South America and the US live in Peace and face little if any discrimination.
    try going out of your door and saying the mujahadeen are fighting a just course and then you can write us an email from your prison and tell us how just the US is for letting you have internet time.

    sorry brother, but the west is at war with islam. do you read different news bullituns to the ones i do? bush and blair frequently refer to this as a war against an evil idiology trying to establish a state across the whole muslim world. i.e they are referring to the kalafate, they sometimes even speak against that.

    they want to impose their way of life upon the muslims, they say they wish to impose secularism and therefore they will remove shariah.

    they're completely opposed to islam in anything other than the personal sphere and even here they have started to infringe on muslim liberties, you cant even pray for the victory of the mujahadeen without the possible risk of arrest. our du'as are not a matter for the non-muslims to interfere in.

    this is a war against islam in every aspect. you are very sadly deluded on this matter.

    simularly we cannot pay our zakaat to the most worthy causes without our money being confiscated and possibly facing arrest,

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