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    ok well my question is straight forward... do Muslims believe in the Burning Bush?
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    Re: God

    format_quote Originally Posted by PrIM3 View Post
    ok well my question is straight forward... do Muslims believe in the Burning Bush?
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    Last edited by cool_jannah; 05-01-2006 at 04:21 AM.
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    Re: God

    format_quote Originally Posted by PrIM3 View Post
    ok well my question is straight forward... do Muslims believe in the Burning Bush?
    What burning bush?
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    Re: God

    format_quote Originally Posted by cool_jannah View Post
    george bush?
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    Re: God

    Yes. See Sûra 20: Tâ Hâ, where Mûsê encounters it in the Valley of Tuwan.
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    Re: God

    Salaam,

    [PIE][20:10] When he saw a fire, he said to his family, "Stay here. I have seen a fire. Maybe I can bring you some of it, or find some guidance at the fire."

    [20:11] When he came to it, he was called, "O, Moses.

    [20:12] "I am your Lord; remove your sandals. You are in the sacred valley, Tuwaa.[/PIE]

    That verse,,,it does not say burning bush,,but just that Prophet Moses as saw a fire.

    Do any one knows of other verses? in the quran or the hadith/sunnah??
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    Re: God

    format_quote Originally Posted by Zulkiflim View Post
    That verse,,,it does not say burning bush,,but just that Prophet Moses as saw a fire. Do any one knows of other verses? in the quran or the hadith/sunnah??
    Well, in 28:19-30, it says,
    When Musa had fulfilled the term and was journeying with his family, he noticed a fire on the side of the mountain. (...) When he drew near, a voice called out to him from the tree on the blessed spot on the right side of the valley.
    That's also translated as "shrub, bush".
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    Re: God

    so do we agree that God spoke through that bush?
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    Re: God

    Salaam,

    Go here,,

    Here are he various translation..

    Khalifa
    When he reached it, he was called from the edge of the right side of the valley, in the blessed spot where the burning bush was located: "O Moses, this is Me. GOD; Lord of the universe.


    Pickthall
    And when he reached it, he was called from the right side of the valley in the blessed field, from the tree: O Moses! Lo! I, even I, am Allah, the Lord of the Worlds;

    Shakir
    And when he came to it, a voice was uttered from the right side of the valley in the blessed spot of the bush, saying: O Musa! surely I am Allah, the Lord of the worlds.

    Sher Ali
    And when he came to it, he was called by a voice from the right side of the Valley, in the blessed spot, out of the tree; `O Moses, Verily, I am ALLAH, the Lord of the worlds;


    If i am reading it correct,first Prophet Moses as saw the fire and headed towards it..then heard a voice...the funny part is it ALL say's..."right side of the valley"..

    So it may mean it did not come from the tree itself,or that even if the bush is burning..

    Inshallah Allah knows best...

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    Quran Browser.org: Browse, Compare and Search through Quran translations of Dr. Rashad Khalifa, Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall, Maulvi Sher Ali and the Arabic Quran text
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    Re: God

    But that is your guessing of it...

    but I found this verse in the Quran

    27:8-9- When he came to it, he was called "Blessed is He who is in the fire, and he who is about it Glory be to God, the Lord of all Being! Moses, behold, it is I God, the All-mighty, the All-wise...

    so according to this verse God was inside the flames... right?
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    Re: God

    Hi PrIM3,
    format_quote Originally Posted by PrIM3 View Post
    but I found this verse in the Quran

    27:8-9- When he came to it, he was called "Blessed is He who is in the fire, and he who is about it Glory be to God, the Lord of all Being! Moses, behold, it is I God, the All-mighty, the All-wise...
    Concerning the meaning of the verse
    27:8. But when he came to it, he was called: "Blessed is whosoever is in the fire, and whosoever is round about it! And glorified be Allâh, the Lord of the Universe.

    It is written in Ma'ârif Al-Qur'ân:
    Sayyidnâ Ibn 'Abbâs (r), Mujâhid and 'Ikrimah have expressed the view that the words {whosoever is in the fire} stand for Sayyidnâ Mûsâ (as) because the fire he had seen was not the real fire, but the auspicious spot he had reached was so luminous that it looked like fire from a distance. Therefore, Mûsâ (as) was inside that 'fire', and {whosoever is around it} is purported for the angels, who were present there nearby. Other commentators have put forward a totally opposite explanation, that the words "who is in the fire" refer to the angels, while the words "who is around it" stand for Sayyidnâ Mûsâ (as). Tafsîr Bayân Al-Qur'ân has adopted the latter explanation. It is sufficient to know this much for the understanding of the meaning of these verses. (Ma'ârif Al-Qur'ân, vol. 6, pp. 572-573)
    So when you ask, "Do Muslims believe in the burnning bush", if by that you mean a manifestation of God within the fire, then the answer is clearly NO.
    so according to this verse God was inside the flames... right?
    No such a notion would contradict the most basic fundamental doctrine of Islam [Tawhid].

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